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Bert the Troll
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 | | 15 Aug 2007 07:37 PM |
| Originally Posted by Gamer_Zer0Here’s the place to talk about D&D miniatures (both for RPG use and skirmish play), the new minis game releasing in April 2008, and future D&D Miniatures Game coverage on D&D Insider.
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Hello All.
The announcement of 4th Edition is a pretty big event for all RPG fans. It's a huge event for all of us at Wizards of the Coast, including WotC staff and our WizO support team. We understand that this is something many of you are going to feel very passionate about in a number of ways.
We've created this forum for few reasons. We want everyone to have a single discussion forum where they can get answers and information directly from the D&D staff. We also want to prevent the other forums from being overwhelmed with 4E posts to the point that it drowns out any of the natural discussion in those areas. Additionally, I want to have a single forum where our community can post their hopes, fears, concerns, and dreams about 4E. This will make it easier for the D&D staff to read community feedback, and to (hopefully) provide a lot of answers to your questions.
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Does this mean 4th edition chamges for minis too, or a more common rule set to rule them all? | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Zaukrie
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1055 Posts
| | 15 Aug 2007 07:37 PM |
| Bah, beaten to the punch! | | Fastest dropping DCI ranking on record!
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3761 Posts
Adelaide
| | 15 Aug 2007 07:39 PM |
| in shock :| | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
403 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 15 Aug 2007 07:47 PM |
| Wow! I'm stunned. I can't believe that 4E has been announcec, no matter how often I have joked about it. I knew it would happen eventually, but I thought it would be at least until D&D XP before they announced anything. Just wow. Olaf the Stout | | My Trade Thread
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Username
Commander
4140 Posts
| | 15 Aug 2007 07:49 PM |
| Turds! I JUST ordered a 3.5 PHB....... | | Originally posted by Schooly_D
Username - he deals in minis
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Wraithborne
Warlord
5809 Posts
Lortab Land
| | 15 Aug 2007 08:41 PM |
| Hmmm...I keep thinking that I should feel like sticking my tongue out at everybody who told me I was crazy for preaching the doom and gloom, but in reality, I feel sad. I'll have no new books to look forward to, wouldn't be interested in the digital stuff even if it was 3e and this will likely take away some of the last remaining enthusiasm I had for ever finding a new group.
I am more concerned about the minis. I was fearing the worst when I initially saw the streamlined rules blurb on the new starter announcement. I don't know how much the rules to DDM will change, but hopefully it will be a change for the better. Some stuff has been re-clarified so many times that I doubt anybody knows for sure how they work. I just hope they find a fix without some bannings or set rotation crap and the older pieces remain useable....other than Epic Tordek, Bahamut and Epic Storm Archer....those are welcome to be banned. | | Posted By Wraithborne on 04/27/2008 7:54 PM
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hazel monday
Warrior
316 Posts
Baltimore MD
| | 15 Aug 2007 08:49 PM |
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shazam01
Warrior
224 Posts
| | 15 Aug 2007 09:14 PM |
| initial reaction-uuggh!, I just got the 3.5 books not too long ago...
& this opens the door to the question how often are we going through new additions?
I was always irritated with needing to update software for my computer every couple of years, not generally too interested in doing something that would be similar in my mind for my hobby...
edit: I'll cross my fingers on the mini thing.
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
403 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 15 Aug 2007 10:33 PM |
| I can't see them making too many changes that would make peoples' current minis collections obselete. I imagine that they will be doing everything that they possibly can to keep the current minis usable under the new format, what ever that is. At the same time, they will try and make changes to appeal to new gamers. Olaf the Stout | | My Trade Thread
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3761 Posts
Adelaide
| | 15 Aug 2007 11:19 PM |
| The minis wont become useless for RPG ever. Don't need 3.5, 4 or any edition for RPG use.
But I could see the rules for skirmish possibily changing. They don't really need too as there are so many differences between the RPG and Skirmish anyway that a different edition wont really matter.
If D&D goes like Star Wars Saga it could be ): If they do a lot of rule change it might seem apt to change the skirmish rules. Would like to know if the "new minis game" is a completly new game (aka Dreamblade II) or if they mean for skirmish to become that new game. They would I imagine have downloads for the changes if so.
As long as they keep producing minis.
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Zyla
Underboss
1002 Posts
| | 16 Aug 2007 12:00 AM |
| The Skirmish game is pretty much seperate from the RPG, so dont see it being effected much. | | | | |
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Frederyck
Sneak
85 Posts
Uppsala, Sweden
| | 16 Aug 2007 12:12 AM |
| If you are concerned with your minis not being usable for 4th edition, think about it this way - would they be usable for 1st edition AD&D? 2nd ed AD&D? Basic D&D from the 80s? Heck, yes! I don't foresee any problem at all actually regarding the RPG value of my minis in the future. As I've stated in other threads - I collect these minis primarily because it's what I've been wanting since starting RPGing in '82. Will they be useful in the next 25 years of my gaming life? You bet! | | | If voting could really change things, it would be illegal. | |
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
403 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 16 Aug 2007 12:48 AM |
| If the minis game does change significantly. I could see them producing downloadable cards for previously released minis. And I do understand that the minis will still be useful for RPG in general. There is the slight possibility that WotC changes the minis scale in the new game so that it is no longer compatible though. I doubt this is a realistic probabilty though. Olaf the Stout | | My Trade Thread
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Kaya Kenobi
Warrior
335 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 16 Aug 2007 01:54 AM |
| I don't see it... Look at Chainmail. It's useless to DDM. | | | |
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Arandae
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734 Posts
UK
| | 16 Aug 2007 02:21 AM |
| Presumably, 4th edition will see a new Monster Manual I (and then II, III, IV etc.), and the list of creatures in it will be slightly different to the 3e MM I - just to validate having a new book. Some creatures won't make the cut. I wonder if that means that some of the current MM I creatures that haven't yet been made will in fact never be made? Perhaps we'll even start to see some new creatures which, at the moment, we don't recognise because they are due to appear in the new MM I. So far, the minis we know about from Desert of Desolation are pretty much all resculpts - Mummy, Drider, Umber Hulk, Drow 'priestess'. Perhaps the next set won't have a lot of 'new' creatures from 3e MM I, as some of the missing creatures are going to be phased out anyway. I wouldn't be terribly happy about that. (Oh - and did I mention, the sky is falling!  ) | | Champion of the Bodak.Knight of the Aboleth.Squire of Gnomes. Friend of (Non-Ugly) Fey.
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Pedro
Commander
3949 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 16 Aug 2007 03:11 AM |
| The minis game could be about army battles, like WarCry or Heroes of MM. I hope it won't ruin my favourite minis game  | | 2007 & 2008 Czech Republic Champion
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yack
Commander
3037 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 16 Aug 2007 04:19 AM |
| Like stated lots the minis for RPG will never change , its the books that will (If you want I'm sticking to 3.5, I already skipped 2nd edition and it hurt me none...but bought some the books for info). But I agree this is way to early for 4th Edition... | | Champion of the Peryton
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Shottglazz
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Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 16 Aug 2007 04:20 AM |
| LOL it figures...I just finally switched to 3e this year...and now they announce 4e...gonna kick Murphy in the junk (damn rules of his)... | | Shottglazz
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Gunthar
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| | 16 Aug 2007 04:53 AM |
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portermj
Sneak
126 Posts
| | 16 Aug 2007 06:11 AM |
| I am kind of interested in the online game table. I wonder if there is going to be an online DDM tool as well. | | | http://mporternerdvana.blogspot.com/ | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1317 Posts
| | 16 Aug 2007 07:18 AM |
| 1E : 1979 (or so...)
2E : 1989
3E : 1999
... 2009 ...
frankly, didn't you see it coming (OK, some of you aren't oldschoolers... But some are) ???
DDM : for RPG, I'm not concerned a single bit. I have 2500 minis, and almost anything I'll ever need for RPG. I can't see why I would need new special new 4E minis, and why mine would ever get obsolete. A blue dragon is still a blue dragon, a kobold is still a kobold, a beholder is still a beholder...
Skirmish is another matter. It's easy for wotc to produce larger minis (what they have already more or less begun doing for some time - remember all the size creep threads - with new bases and new rules. This will lead to a split in the skirmish players, with the "oldschoolers" with 3E DD minis and rules, and "newbies" with 4E new minis and rules. Eventually the former group will disappear over the years.
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GuJiaXian
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704 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 16 Aug 2007 08:05 AM |
| I doubt that the general size of minis will change. Size creep might be an issue, but one inch equaling five feet is pretty industry-standard. If Wizards changed this, not only would DDM be out of scale, but every one of the off-brand 1-inch-grid poly-mats and such would be unusable. | | | "Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1317 Posts
| | 16 Aug 2007 08:16 AM |
| Posted By GuJiaXian on 08/16/2007 8:05 AM
I doubt that the general size of minis will change. Size creep might be an issue, but one inch equaling five feet is pretty industry-standard. I'm not a specialist at all, but it seems they're not using this scale anymore, they use 28 mm now . If Wizards changed this, not only would DDM be out of scale, Seeing the "economical" size od D&D, do wotc really have to care about the "competition" ? I don't see them threatened by reaper, rackam and others... If wotc decide to use a new scale, it probably will set a new standard. but every one of the off-brand 1-inch-grid poly-mats and such would be unusable. He he. The best way to have people buy new ones... (cynical ? Me ??? ) | | Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
704 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 16 Aug 2007 08:27 AM |
| But there's nothing to be gained with that. Wizards doesn't manufacture the dry-erase polymats, so what reason would they have to force us to buy new ones? Also, even if the figures themselves are slightly bigger, why would that affect the size of the minis' bases? Moving from 25mm to 28mm should be enough to make everyone confused with a 1.2" = 5 feet mat (or whatever). | | | "Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1317 Posts
| | 16 Aug 2007 08:50 AM |
| Well, the size of the "large" base did change from the wotdq set (from 40 mm to 48 mm), so I suppose they can do it again... | | Vindicated Champion of the PSEUDODRAGON
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
704 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 16 Aug 2007 08:52 AM |
| Yes, but the large based was simply adjusted to fit the correct size (10 feet by 10 feet, or two squares by two squares). That really doesn't change the 1 square = 5 feet deal. | | | "Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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Wolfgang
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7033 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 16 Aug 2007 09:36 AM |
| wow this sucks
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GuJiaXian
Sergeant
704 Posts
Roswell, GA
| | 16 Aug 2007 09:42 AM |
| Before we cry any more doom and gloom, note that D&D 4th edition was announced (the roleplaying game). There has been no word how (or even if) DDM will be affected. | | | "Clearly a case of too many hunchbacks and not enough mad scientists..." | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
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| | 16 Aug 2007 09:52 AM |
| he only said a new minis game coming out in 4th ed... not DDM is destroyed with 4th ed. it could be a completely unrelated random hasbro game | | | |
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Cthulhufnord
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| | 16 Aug 2007 10:01 AM |
| Posted By Shottglazz on 08/16/2007 4:20 AM
LOL it figures...I just finally switched to 3e this year...and now they announce 4e...gonna kick Murphy in the junk (damn rules of his)... I'll hold him down for you. That Murphy fella can be dangerous when provoked. | | | Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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