BoloBaby
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640 Posts
    
Fort Mill, SC
 | | 24 Mar 2007 01:24 PM | | OK, here's the idea. Make a mini that would cost less than 10 points and could be a reasonable rare.
(It does NOT count to say "Wild Elf Warsinger." Heh. Although that's a fine example of a sweet piece of fodder.)
Here's my two tries:
Gnome Sapper
CG Rare - 8 Points
Small Humanoid - Gnome
LvL/Save: 3
Speed: 4
AC: 16
HP: 10
Melee: +3(5)
Ranged: +4(5)
Scout
Trap [] (Replaces attacks. Place a marker on any empty adjacent square. Choose one type of energy damage. If any creature not named Gnome Sapper moves into any square adjacent to the marker, all creatures adjacent to the marker take 15 damage of the selected energy type, DC 14.)
And...
Experienced Mole
CG Rare - 10 Points
Medium Humanoid - Human
LvL/Save: 4
Speed: 6
AC: 14
HP: 15
Melee: +3(5)
Infiltration (Set up in your opponent's start area. Until Experienced Mole attacks, is used as a flanker, is the target of one of your creature's spells or special abilities, or is used to gain victory points, Experienced Mole gains False Ally.)
Reveal Self [] (Immediate. This creature loses False Ally.)
False Ally (Your opponent may not target this creature with attacks, spells, or special abilities. Your opponent's creatures can move through this creature's space and do not provoke attacks of opportunity.)
The wording is probably off on some of those abilities, but you get the gist...
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 24 Mar 2007 02:28 PM | | LE 10 points, Goblin Trickster.
small humanoid (goblin,goblinoid)
15HP
14AC
LVL 3
Speed 6
melee +4/2 (5)
conceal 6
1st [][]slide
2nd[] snakes swiftness
melee sneak attack +5
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ScruffyRanger
Sergeant
417 Posts
Central Coast AUSTRALIA
| | 24 Mar 2007 05:36 PM | | There already exsists a fodder rare, it's a little over 10 points, fodder though none-the-less. Aberrations: Green Dragon. | | | They check in... but they don't check out! | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
15943 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 24 Mar 2007 10:11 PM | | Lorallon, Elf Sergeant
CG rare, 10 pts
Medium Humanoid (Elf)
Level 3
20 HP
Speed 6
Melee: +4 (5 magic)
Ranged: +7 (5 magic)
Special Abilities:
Unique
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 25 Mar 2007 01:22 AM | | Posted By ScruffyRanger on 03/24/2007 5:36 PM
There already exsists a fodder rare, it's a little over 10 points, fodder though none-the-less. Aberrations: Green Dragon. But it was a good Fodder in his time, because move a lot for tile grabbing. Nowdays is almost useless and crappy... and too expensive! | | Knight of the Quori
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Sirohk
Commander
4350 Posts
USA
| | 25 Mar 2007 04:43 AM | | Goblin Sorcerer LE COST 10 Pts
Level 3
Speed 6
AC 12
HP 10
Melee Attack: +0 (5)
Type: Humanoid - Goblinoid - Hobgoblin
Sorcerer Spells
1st—[][][]Â
Magic Weapon (touch, +1 att, ignore DR);
Magic Missile (sight; 5 damage),Â
Burning Hands (cone; 5 fire damage; DC 13)
That would be my rare (actually, my dream LE fodder spellcaster). But more likely than not I see him as an Uncommon.Â
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Sirohk
Commander
4350 Posts
USA
| | 25 Mar 2007 04:49 AM | | Posted By Luisjoey on 03/25/2007 1:22 AM Posted By ScruffyRanger on 03/24/2007 5:36 PM
There already exsists a fodder rare, it's a little over 10 points, fodder though none-the-less. Aberrations: Green Dragon. But it was a good Fodder in his time, because move a lot for tile grabbing. Nowdays is almost useless and crappy... and too expensive! I still see him played in a number of warbands as there is not a better piece out there for a cost of 28 pts - 70 HP and with speed F12. Sadly, there are just not that many warbands that can fit in a 28 pt fodder piece. Especially when you can spend 5 more points and get a Duergar Champion. | | Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
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PDK
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| | 25 Mar 2007 04:58 AM | | Posted By Sirohk on 03/25/2007 4:49 AM Posted By Luisjoey on 03/25/2007 1:22 AM Posted By ScruffyRanger on 03/24/2007 5:36 PM
There already exsists a fodder rare, it's a little over 10 points, fodder though none-the-less. Aberrations: Green Dragon. But it was a good Fodder in his time, because move a lot for tile grabbing. Nowdays is almost useless and crappy... and too expensive! I still see him played in a number of warbands as there is not a better piece out there for a cost of 28 pts - 70 HP and with speed F12. Sadly, there are just not that many warbands that can fit in a 28 pt fodder piece. Especially when you can spend 5 more points and get a Duergar Champion.  now i think you mean theres not a better piece in LE for 28 pts, because we all know that the shadow dancer is the best value for your buck at that cost. | | Champion of Manshoon of the Zhentarim
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Sirohk
Commander
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USA
| | 25 Mar 2007 07:33 AM | | Posted By PDK on 03/25/2007 4:58 AM Posted By Sirohk on 03/25/2007 4:49 AM Posted By Luisjoey on 03/25/2007 1:22 AM Posted By ScruffyRanger on 03/24/2007 5:36 PM
There already exsists a fodder rare, it's a little over 10 points, fodder though none-the-less. Aberrations: Green Dragon. But it was a good Fodder in his time, because move a lot for tile grabbing. Nowdays is almost useless and crappy... and too expensive! I still see him played in a number of warbands as there is not a better piece out there for a cost of 28 pts - 70 HP and with speed F12. Sadly, there are just not that many warbands that can fit in a 28 pt fodder piece. Especially when you can spend 5 more points and get a Duergar Champion. now i think you mean theres not a better piece in LE for 28 pts, because we all know that the shadow dancer is the best value for your buck at that cost. I'll give ya that one. 28 pts for the Shadowdancer is a real bargin, and Fearless with Storm, can do serious damage, and can grab VPs anywhere anytime with a Shadowjump.  | | Sirohk, the Bard of Heartstone
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Corim Danex
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| | 25 Mar 2007 08:23 AM | | A fodder rare is not a good idea for skirmish. | | "Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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| | 25 Mar 2007 11:43 AM | | Posted By Corim Danex on 03/25/2007 8:23 AM
A fodder rare is not a good idea for skirmish. We're just having a little fun here....move along. | | | Over 290 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
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Adelaide
| | 25 Mar 2007 06:47 PM | | I need to receate this thread in skirmish, but will put an entry in later  | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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greyhaze
Warlord
10590 Posts
| | 25 Mar 2007 07:06 PM | | I gotta be honest, I don't think I'd ever want to see a 10pt rare, but I do see the challenge in this... I figure it would have to have some kind of appeal for being a rare, so a recognized unique fits that bill, then it would have to be something substancial in tech, but weak otherwise...
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 25 Mar 2007 08:13 PM | | Posted By greyhaze on 03/25/2007 7:06 PM
I gotta be honest, I don't think I'd ever want to see a 10pt rare, but I do see the challenge in this... I figure it would have to have some kind of appeal for being a rare, so a recognized unique fits that bill, then it would have to be something substancial in tech, but weak otherwise...
Tasselhoff Burfoot CG
Kender
Taunt Ability Haha - love it. Make it work like "Beckon" with a low DC. Give him only a few HP so if he uses it, he likely dies. But FUN nonetheless. Kudos to the other suggestions as well. I'm enjoying them immensely. I wish Ochre Jelly wasn't already made... I'd suggestion a 6 pt rare for that. Oh... let's do it anyway... Split Ochre Jelly LE/CE Rare - 6 Points
Medium Ooze
LvL/Save: 3
Speed: 2
AC: 5
HP: 40
Melee: +5(5 + 5 acid)
DR 5
Wandering Monster
Split (If this creature is hit with a melee or ranged attack that would damage it, it does not take regular damage. Instead, reduce its hitpoints by one half (rounded down) and place another creature named Split Ochre Jelly in the closest legal square. That creature enters play with the same number of hitpoints as this creature. If this creature has 10 or fewer hit points, it loses Split.)
Heh. 6 point mini that can earn your opponent 24 VP. Still... nifty fodder.
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 25 Mar 2007 08:58 PM | | Posted By BoloBaby on 03/25/2007 8:13 PM
Split Ochre Jelly
Eww...that would be a terrible rare, because as an RPGer, I'd want loads of them. A fodder rare should not only be an excellent skirmish piece. It should be a piece that RPGers would be happy with just a few copies. I'll try to come up with something, but I think the uniques are good submissions for this challenge. | | "Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
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Fort Mill, SC
| | 25 Mar 2007 09:03 PM | | Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 03/25/2007 8:58 PM Posted By BoloBaby on 03/25/2007 8:13 PM
Split Ochre Jelly
Eww...that would be a terrible rare, because as an RPGer, I'd want loads of them. A fodder rare should not only be an excellent skirmish piece. It should be a piece that RPGers would be happy with just a few copies. I'll try to come up with something, but I think the uniques are good submissions for this challenge. Oh, snap! I didn't even think of that! You'd need 4 of this rare to make it work... who'd want to collect that??? My bad - make that one an uncommon. ;-) | | | Champion of the Cleric with Raise Dead | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 25 Mar 2007 09:05 PM | | Here's an idea - a fodder Meepo. If he gets the killing blow on an enemy dragon, you can replace him with Meepo, Dragonlord!
Muwhahaha...
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 26 Mar 2007 08:59 AM | | Thing is, if it's rare, it has to be cooler than an uncommon or a common, or people feel gipped.
But if it's better, then it will become the default fodder piece.
I bring you a solution. UNIQUE!
So, I like a lot of these ideas (even The kender, and I'm pretty DL neutral) we just need to make sure it won't be overused. the 3 MW caster is another good idea.
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Zoons
Underboss
1068 Posts
| | 26 Mar 2007 09:40 AM | | I agree on the unique thing Tefflon Jeff.
How about Alhandra
Alhandra (or other Iconic if I'm confused), Female Paladin Alignment:Â LG
Pts: 10
Speed: 4
HP: 15
Level: 2
AC: 20
Type: Â Humanoid (human)
Melee: +3 (10)
Ranged: -
SA
Unique
Protection from Evil 2
Lay Hands 5 []
Leadership (Setup:Â Alhandra gains a commander rating equal to one higher than a commander in your opponent's army)
Fearless
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| | 26 Mar 2007 10:49 AM | | Posted By Zoons on 03/26/2007 9:40 AM I agree on the unique thing Tefflon Jeff.
How about Alhandra
Alhandra (or other Iconic if I'm confused), Female Paladin Alignment:Â LG
Pts: 10
Speed: 4
HP: 15
Level: 2
AC: 20
Type: Â Humanoid (human)
Melee: +3 (10)
Ranged: -
SA
Unique
Protection from Evil 2
Lay Hands 5 []
Leadership (Setup:Â Alhandra gains a commander rating equal to one higher than a commander in your opponent's army)
Fearless
 Your version of Alhandra would be a boon in epic play. Your opponent plays Bahamut, so you get commander 9 - nice! Although, in the spirit of RPG (where this game sort of comes from), leadership sounds more like a "minions" type of ability. Maybe you should give Alhandra some sort of a cohort. | | | Over 290 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 26 Mar 2007 10:49 AM | | Okay, how about this for a solution. Make it an iconic character (or sort of). Give it a level 1 stat card and an epic stat card:
Gronk, Half-orc Barbarian (sculpt is half-orc in leather armor, dual-wielding a battle-axe and a hand axe)
Alignment: CG
Pts: 7
Speed: 8
HP: 15
Level: 1
AC: 12
Type: Humanoid (orc)
Melee: +4/+4 (10/5)
Ranged: -
SA
Unique
Epic Gronk (Statting epic minis is difficult, at best, so I freely admit this would need tweaking):
Alignment: CG
Pts: 141
Speed: 8
HP: 175
Level: 13
AC: 18
Type: Humanoid (orc)
Melee: +16/+16/+11/+11/+6 (20 magic)
Ranged: -
SA
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Ryoga
Underboss
1142 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 26 Mar 2007 11:50 AM | | Hey! GUYs you have amaizing ideas!!! I wish that you will be the Skirmish Designer of DDM...  @ Nate 666 adn Sirohk, Im still waiting an unit like this.... Goblin Tricker and Goblin Sorcere will be great!!!  @ Bolobaby, you ooze is a great rare for Skimisher but bad RPGs.... hahaha I really laugh reading this one... @ Zoons, Alhandra is undercosted.... but FUN!!! DIE BAHAMUT DIE!!  Ryoga  | | Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :(
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GelatinousChicken
Skirmisher
21 Posts
| | 26 Mar 2007 01:44 PM | | Here's a thought:
Pirate Cartographer
cost: 9
faction: CG
lvl: 2
spd: 6
type: Humanoid(human)
AC: 14
HP: 10
Melee: +2(5)
SA: Scout, Buried Treasure[][] (replaces attacks. If this creature is in a victory area, you score 5 victory points)
Flavor text: Aaaarrgghh!
What do you think?
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 26 Mar 2007 02:21 PM | | I would run Alhandra all frickin day.
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 26 Mar 2007 03:15 PM | | Pirate Cartographer - nifty.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 26 Mar 2007 03:40 PM | | Posted By GelatinousChicken on 03/26/2007 1:44 PM
Here's a thought:
Pirate Cartographer
cost: 9
faction: CG
lvl: 2
spd: 6
type: Humanoid(human)
AC: 14
HP: 10
Melee: +2(5)
SA: Scout, Buried Treasure[][] (replaces attacks. If this creature is in a victory area, you score 5 victory points)
Flavor text: Aaaarrgghh!
What do you think?
I like it, but you should make it that it can only be used once per turn, so you wouldn't have incentive to run like 4 of those and get a quick 60 points over two rounds... | | Official Delegate, Wizards of the Coast
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Nate_666
Sergeant
801 Posts
Midwest
| | 26 Mar 2007 04:05 PM | | I like the buried treasure idea. Very orriginal!
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Zoons
Underboss
1068 Posts
| | 27 Mar 2007 06:34 AM | | Heh, in retrospect, I think the Alhandra should have a CR as 1 LESS than the opponent's commander. The point here wasn't to make a broken piece, but to serve a unique purpose.  Overall, she's very squishy (As a commander, she won't get any protection from the couatl, etc.. and she only has 15 HP). The purpose is merely to even the odds a bit for bands that really rely on their map and have a high commander rating. After that, she's supposed to be semi-useful, but fodder.  I like the idea of a mini that is a low level iconic coming with an Epic version card too. Since the piece is unique, the epic wouldn't have to be raised all the way to 140++ point status to be interresting.  Very interresting mechanic looking at scoring extra victory points too. That would work nice even if the game format otherwise changed (ie. non-assault format). | | Never teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.
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djtool
Sergeant
584 Posts
Crystal MN, USA
| | 27 Mar 2007 06:57 AM | | i think I may have come up with a rare fodder piece that could actually be implemented without breaking the game. I think the idea is right on, my implementation of it might be sketchy though. I haven't played PnP in over a decade so picking the right monster is tough. I'll have a stab at it though
Green Slime
TYPE: ooze
FACTION: any
POINTS: ~10
LEVEL: 1 or 2
SPEED: 0
AC: 12
HP: 10 or 15
MELEE ATTACK: N/A
SPECIAL ABILITIES:
ooze traits
formless - When this unit takes damage, that damage is always reduced to 5
scout
I'm a little hesitant on points so I decided 10 would be where to start. That way if you decide to run 2 of them you are making a legitimate sacrifice. Would this need to have a large base?...i'm not sure but I don't think it'd effect the cost. I'm also guessing that RP'ers would not want multiples of these (at least not more then 2) so maybe that base is covered as well.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
8450 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 27 Mar 2007 10:48 AM | | Posted By djtool on 03/27/2007 6:57 AM
i think I may have come up with a rare fodder piece that could actually be implemented without breaking the game. I think the idea is right on, my implementation of it might be sketchy though. I haven't played PnP in over a decade so picking the right monster is tough. I'll have a stab at it though
Green Slime
TYPE: ooze
FACTION: any
POINTS: ~10
LEVEL: 1 or 2
SPEED: 0
AC: 12
HP: 10 or 15
MELEE ATTACK: N/A
SPECIAL ABILITIES:
ooze traits
formless - When this unit takes damage, that damage is always reduced to 5
scout
I'm a little hesitant on points so I decided 10 would be where to start. That way if you decide to run 2 of them you are making a legitimate sacrifice. Would this need to have a large base?...i'm not sure but I don't think it'd effect the cost. I'm also guessing that RP'ers would not want multiples of these (at least not more then 2) so maybe that base is covered as well.
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