MackeyJ
Underboss
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| Well, I think it's safe to asume that many of us were expecting Drizzt's epic card to come in this months retailer kit. Now that we know it's not, it got me to thinking what will happen to his value if one doesn't come soon?
My impression was that the sheer speculation of an epic card for him was what had driven up his cost. Question is will the anticipation of his epic card continue to drive up his price or will his price start to drop back to a more reasonable value? | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/02/2006 8:05 PM |
| | It should, but it will not. There will always be people to pay for a "hero" like Drizzt. Add a Guenwyvar with him and an eBay auction will end up at 150 U$D and the guy can ask for 10$ shipping and up. My point is, mini values make no sense. Speculating, shmeculating ;) | |
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Wakalimasu
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| | 02/02/2006 8:09 PM |
| im glad i got a couple of him lying around somewhere :D
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Thenameless
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| | 02/02/2006 8:16 PM |
| | The price is already very high now, so I don't expect it to go up anymore. I don't think it will go down either because of psychological reasons. Now that people have seen that it can go for around $100, there's no way they're going to list it for say $50. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 8:28 PM |
| Well it was the speculation of the Epic card that sent Drizz't price soaring in the first place so it'll drop some until the Epic card does come but not much. It's like gas prices, they go up and down but aren't going to drop under $2 a gallon anytime soon. [V]
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| | 02/02/2006 8:31 PM |
| | Thats good cause I have a couple lying around also.[:)] | |
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Zyla
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| | 02/02/2006 8:44 PM |
| | Drizzit has his own cult following, the price was even high before epic cards for older figures was announced. Hes a FG iconic hero, and hes a Drow. The only reason people play Drow in any RPG is because of Drizzit. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/02/2006 10:26 PM |
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Originally posted by Zyla
Drizzit has his own cult following, the price was even high before epic cards for older figures was announced. Hes a FG iconic hero, and hes a Drow. The only reason people play Drow in any RPG is because of Drizzit.
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| | 02/02/2006 10:34 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Bert the Troll
quote:
Originally posted by Zyla
Drizzit has his own cult following, the price was even high before epic cards for older figures was announced. Hes a FG iconic hero, and hes a Drow. The only reason people play Drow in any RPG is because of Drizzit.
And old timers who ventured into the spiderqueens web like drow for other reasons.
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Adelaide
| | 02/02/2006 11:09 PM |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
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| | 02/02/2006 11:11 PM |
| | I wish I had an extra Drizzt, althoughj his sculpt is ugly...but 100 U$D + ugly... | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 11:23 PM |
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Originally posted by Zyla
The only reason people play Drow in any RPG is because of Drizzit.
Ri-ight.
I guess Drizzt was the reason I started creating all those Drow characters 20 years ago. Too bad the Drizzt books aren't nearly that old.
And, yeah. Some of them were rangers, too. Almost all my characters were rangers back then. Gosh, I'm such a copycat.
On topic!
I don't see much happening to Drizzt's value. Prices like this won't go down because some folks are wanting to get rid of theirs--that will keep the price up for a while.
Since the Epic cards are SUPPOSED to be downloadable after a month, I can't really see the card holding much value either. But I'm too rational to be used as an appropriate model.
I know that WON'T be the case, though. The Aspect of Lolth card is fetching a couple bucks a pop for the card, and I'd expect that the peculiar nature of Drizzt's fanbase will probably drive his card to the $10 range.
It's silly, but so are many things in the world. I'd guess that if offered together, that Drizzt plus the Epic Card might fetch $15 more on the market. That's not terribly much considering the way his value has gone recently.
It's still crazy, though. | |
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MackeyJ
Underboss
1414 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 11:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zyla
The only reason people play Drow in any RPG is because of Drizzit.
I've never read a single book about Drizzt, didn't even keep one of the minis for myself. When I DM drow are one of my very favorite races to throw at the PC's. I love that it is so easy with drow to create an encounter that has a bit of everything, spellcasting, fighting, traps, poison, summoners, beaters, backstabers, etc...etc...
And so easy to tailor to the campaigns encounter needs, a little more of this a little less of that...
Just my opinion but that might have been a poor choice of words. But I digress, let us return to the topic. | |
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Aesnath
Underboss
1358 Posts
Augusta, GA
| | 02/02/2006 11:42 PM |
| | I really have a problem with the Drizzt mini. Back in the day, one of my first Archfiends boxes yielded a Drizzt. I kept it. Then later, I drew a second one. I quickly traded it off to a friend of mine. That friend then stopped playing minis. I came to Maxminis and my first trade was a Drizzt for a Elf Pyromancer (a pretty good deal at the time, and one I do not regret). However, the idea of getting that other Drizzt from my friend has always prevented me from acquiring another one. Now, he's way to pricy mess with, and I rarely see that other friend. And Drizzt is, and has always been, a pretty lame looking mini. | |
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12474 Posts
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| | 02/03/2006 12:13 AM |
| | Interesting. A couple of people said that the Drizzt mini doesn't look very good. I think it's quite nice, and certainly much nicer to look at than the original metal Ral Partha version. | |
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2838 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 12:38 AM |
| I won't say that it doesn't look nice, but I'd say that it's not very dramatic.
Of course, I've got two of the bloody thing. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/03/2006 12:44 AM |
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Originally posted by Thenameless
Interesting. A couple of people said that the Drizzt mini doesn't look very good. I think it's quite nice, and certainly much nicer to look at than the original metal Ral Partha version.
The DDM Drizzt is a "meh" sculpt. It's better than some DDM sculpts (Dwarf Barbarian anyone?) but falls short. Especially for a little piece of plastic that is fetching up to $100 on ebay. The chainmail Drow Rangers are superior IMO and are perfectly acceptable Drizzt replacements for RPG.
More on topic, I personally hope that Drizzty just keeps getting more expensive. It's like the Beta Black Lotus. I sold my first one for $750 because I assumed no one in their right mind would *ever* pay more for a little piece of cardboard. I wish I still had it since they now go for over $3000 on ebay. I'd hate to sell Drizzt for $100 and see his price averaging a $1000 MIB in a few years. | |
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6322 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 12:47 AM |
| Heh. We're talking about the looks of a painted lump of black plastic about a couple inches tall. I did not expect a brilliant sculpt out of any of the minis I've acquired from the DDM line. However, I have certainly been pleasantly surprised as many of them have turned out quite good (for painted black plastic, anyway).
I always liked this sculpt. Sure, the eyes are on the cheeks, but, what can we do about that? Except repainting it, not much.
Drizzt has become one of the surprises of DDM. I doubt any of us thought the DCoL would escalate in price to $50, then finally dig in around $40. I was surprised when it made $25. How about the LSD? Good dragons are less popular for DMs, right? (Myself notwithstanding [)]). However, it's currently the most expensive dragon out there (excluding promos and the unreleased iconics).
Will Drizzt's value go down? Hard to say. If a 2nd Drizzt mini is released, yes. If not, I doubt it will adjust itself to extremes. However, I will not attempt to predict the secondary markets -- they are too chaotic.
The epic card for Drizzt is not something *I* expected this month, nor have I thought it would appear early in the Epic card line, assuming it does appear. It's definitely something to save for a month when there's a dearth of DDM news flowing about, like say this summer, during GenCon month. It could be earlier, or not. I'm not going to guess when it will appear.
Basically, the Epic Drizzt release is going to follow the old adage: "Hurry up and wait." | |
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AesophDarkfable
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5628 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 1:14 AM |
| | Drizzt's price is driven by RPG not by Skirmish as of now. Epic card can only help it go up, lack of will not make it go down. | |
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Ghendar
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13048 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 02/03/2006 7:29 AM |
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
Drizzt's price is driven by RPG not by Skirmish as of now. Epic card can only help it go up, lack of will not make it go down.
I agree. In fact, RPG has much more influence on aftermarket prices than skirmish viability. | |
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PatEllis15
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4463 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 7:33 AM |
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Ri-ight.
I guess Drizzt was the reason I started creating all those Drow characters 20 years ago. Too bad the Drizzt books aren't nearly that old.
And, yeah. Some of them were rangers, too. Almost all my characters were rangers back then. Gosh, I'm such a copycat.
You don't seriously think that even a fraction of the fanboy status that drow have as a PC race came from their first mentions in G3, and D1-3? While I'm certain a few old codgers like you or me may have played Drow as a PC, the world was invaded by them once the Crystal Shard was published.
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Vash
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1995 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 8:06 AM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
Drizzt's price is driven by RPG not by Skirmish as of now. Epic card can only help it go up, lack of will not make it go down.
I agree. In fact, RPG has much more influence on aftermarket prices than skirmish viability.
Save for the Large Silver Dragon, which is probably determined by %40 Skirmish %40 Archfiends %20 RPG.
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 02/04/2006 1:05 AM |
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Originally posted by PatEllis15
You don't seriously think that even a fraction of the fanboy status that drow have as a PC race came from their first mentions in G3, and D1-3? While I'm certain a few old codgers like you or me may have played Drow as a PC, the world was invaded by them once the Crystal Shard was published.
Well, in my case they had nothing to do with it--We never had enough money for many modules (I was only familiar with S1, S2, and B2), and rarely kept characters past an adventure. Most of what we did were one-off dungeon crawls.
It wasn't terribly interesting, but we were ten-twelve years old at the time.
And I'm certainly not going to claim that Drizzt ISN'T popular. We all know that he is (although I don't understand WHY). Nor will I/can I contest the upswing in Drow popularity.
What gets my dander up is people claiming that "everyone" plays Drow "because of Drizzt". It's completely unfair, highly annoying, and almost absurdly stereotypical. Especially because I've been fascinated with corporate America---err, "Drow Society" since I read about Lolth in the original Fiend Folio... | |
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turt
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211 Posts
Canberra, Australia
| | 02/04/2006 2:32 AM |
| I know amongst my and my brother's friends, Drow were always popular as bad guys. In fact, I remember when I was first told about the Drow ranger, I thought what a stupid idea, someone is just trying to cash in on the popularity of the Drow. Then again, I was hooked after reading the first book.
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taliesin
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1113 Posts
| | 02/04/2006 3:37 AM |
| Off Topic: A lot of people turn their noses up at R. A. Salvatore's creation on message boards (here and otherwise). Mostly because of the wishy-washyness of Drizz't himself, I think. But whatever his detractors may say, they can't make an argument (IMNSHO) that Mr. Salvatore can't write a good fight scene. His descriptions of battles are just top notch. Far better than more literary giants like J. R. R. Tolkien (whose action sequences inexplicably skip the action in favor of singing and poetry!).
On Topic: Skirmishers only need one Drizz't, since he's unique and can't be fielded in multiples (and even if one could, I doubt it would be that strong of a band), many DMs would rather a more generic rare than even one, since they don't use "celebrities" in their games. I'd say the demand comes from collectors getting into the game late, fanboys, and speculators.
And I think that speculators are the biggest component in the price. The value appears to keep going up, so these speculators keep buying more, at ever increasing prices, with the intention of selling once the value hits some magic number. The only reason the value is really climbing is because the speculators think the price will go up anyway, so they pay these outrageous sums. You see the same sort of behavior in the futures market, especially oil. When you hear that oil prices hit XX dollars a barrel, it's not that OPEC changed it's quota or prices, but actually speculators THINK that oil will be worth that much per barrel (or more) in two months anyway, so they might as well buy it up now at just under that price to sell it later. The speculators artificially raise the price. | |
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Zyla
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1201 Posts
| | 02/04/2006 4:39 AM |
| | You can test it by doing this. Go to alot of MMOS that have some type of a drow or darkskinned elf type (you can even see this in NWN), then check what alignment they play as, 50% of the time they will be of a good alignment, and when you ask that drow are not good, the #1 response you will get it "but Drizzit was good" | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
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2838 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 1:10 AM |
| OFF TOPIC ALERT
I don't need to test it, my very existance has already proven your statement false. I have never played a single Drow because of Drizzt. I play Drow because I happen to find them interesting. And I'm not the only one. As PatEllis15 hinted, there are more of us "old-timers" who've been intrigued since the early days--DECADES BEFORE DRIZZT.
I do not care what reasons others have for playing Drow--they are as genuine or false as anyone else's. But not everyone plays Drow because of Drizzt. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
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3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/06/2006 1:18 AM |
| | I really doubt Drizzt's current price has much to do with speculation about an upcoming epic card. He's been overpriced since shortly after Archfiends came out. I don't pretend to understand it, but fanboy appeal has somehow driven price up. Lots of folks who aren't mainstream DDM collectors want a Drizzt. Unfortunately, I knoe skirmishers who still don't have a Drizzt because they never were lucky enough to pull one and refuse to pay an exhorbitant price. | |
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Almalik
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266 Posts
Vancouver-ish, Canada
| | 02/06/2006 2:44 PM |
| I think the value of certain collectibles (like Drizzt or certain magic cards) is partly self-generating. Shortly after Archfiends, Drizzt's value was slightly higher than most other rare figs from the set due to the 'fan boy' aspect and continued to slowly climb. Once the figure hit a certain price point, interest inn the figure increased simply because of the price, and this creates a snowball effect on it's value (wow, Drizzt is so valuable and rare, I gotta save up and get one, or if I don't get one now, I'll never be able to afford one). I'm not talking about specualtors stocking up to try and make a prfit later on, but I think that the high price of figures like Drizzt generates additional interest in the fig, solely based on the price (from people who actually are collecting the figures for non-monetary reasons).
On the topic of epic cards, I think that the quality of Drizzt's epic card will have an effect on his price. If his card is similar to the Aspect of Llolth's (i.e. the point value is thought to be too high for what you get) I don't think it will have much of an effect on his price. If on the other hand, they do a great job of costing him and making him a kick@ss piece for Epic skirmish, I do think it will spur the price upwards quite a bit. | |
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stonefro2000
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465 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 5:46 PM |
| | I guess i got lucky when i traded 4 rares for a Drizzt. for myself he was a must have mini. now it's the LSD, But the fact that the Salvatore books were a hit and the comic book series is doing pretty well, this has made him a very much wanted mini. even if it's only wanted by drizzt fans | |
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Isondaho
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271 Posts
Canada
| | 02/06/2006 6:59 PM |
| | I don't care if it goes up or down in price. I've got my drizzt. Now just waiting for the epic card.[:)] | | | |
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Harneloot
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575 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 7:29 PM |
| Hey Can of Cave Beer:
I'm and old schooler like you and my first taste of Drow was back in the day, when the D series first came out and later FF. However, if you've never read the first six Salvatore books (the rest are kind of trashy) pick them up and give yourself a treat - they are a good read, and the second 3 books detailing the Underdark are quite interesting... | |
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2838 Posts
| | 02/06/2006 11:05 PM |
| I tried the Icewind Dale Trilogy. I almost set it down and walked out on it--I would have, too, were I not 35000 feet above Canada at the time.
Some things just don't click--Drizzt and I do NOT. | |
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