Venport
Sergeant
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 | | 02/02/2006 10:17 PM |
| So i went to go get my new maps Laminated (sp) and it was going to cost me $3 a square foot a kinkos... with works out to about $40 a map (check my math 21" about 2' by 30" about 3' that's 15sq' x$3 about $45) witch is going to be $200 for all 5 maps i want laminated (2 from Drow 2 from Hell spike and drow outpost this is not even counting the dragons hord map witch is bigger)
Dose anyone have any sugestions on other places to go than kinkos that would be cheaper? what about other protective options? | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 10:22 PM |
| Hey, Venport. There's a place in San Jose called Lakeshore Learning. They have Do-It-Yourself lamination for very cheap. I did 50+ feet of lamination for less than $18.
The film is thinner than what Kinko's uses, but I actually think that's a benefit, not a drawback; the maps aren't so hard to coax flat, and they're easier to roll for transport. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 10:29 PM |
| | If you can't find a place like that, Staples is much cheaper than Kinko's -- about $6 for a map. The Dragon's Horde was too large for them to laminate, though. | | | |
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monster_slayer
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331 Posts
| | 02/02/2006 10:58 PM |
| | There was another thread on this somewhere. Try a teachers supply store, I get my laminated for $1 a linear foot, about $2.50 a map. | |
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| | 02/03/2006 12:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Wayne
Hey, Venport. There's a place in San Jose called Lakeshore Learning. They have Do-It-Yourself lamination for very cheap.
If you're near Sacramento, there's actually one in Roseville which might be a bit more [url="http://www.lakeshorelearning.com/stores/store_locations.tem?"]convenient[/url]. [)] | | | |
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alepulp
Underboss
1540 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 02/03/2006 3:24 AM |
| | Thicker lamination is called "encapsulation". I've had my maps done - $18 each. | |
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turt
Warrior
211 Posts
Canberra, Australia
| | 02/03/2006 3:26 AM |
| | Can anyone recommend a place in aussieland to get it done? | | | |
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Draxle
Sneak
127 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 10:44 AM |
| I know this won't help many people out there.. But I had 4 maps done at Staples in the Long Beach Town Center (near the 605/405) in SoCal last weekend, and they have a nice lamination machine which was large enough to do the Lost Temple map (which I believe is the same size as the Dragon Horde) and the four maps cost be just a bit over 10 bucks.
Seems like stores from even the same name charge different prices so call them ahead of time. (Didn't hurt that the girl behind the counter was smoking hot! I'll be going back there for all my.... lamination needs :) )
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 11:21 AM |
| | I have said for some time that teacher supply stores are the only way to go for map lamination/protection. The average map costs me about a dollar to laminate and it's well protected. Just make sure they set the machine for a slow 'pull through' so that the creases flatten nicely. You will find that lamination really makes those maps look great, the color will really pop. | | | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 11:24 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Draxle
I know this won't help many people out there.. But I had 4 maps done at Staples in the Long Beach Town Center (near the 605/405) in SoCal last weekend, and they have a nice lamination machine which was large enough to do the Lost Temple map (which I believe is the same size as the Dragon Horde) and the four maps cost be just a bit over 10 bucks.
Seems like stores from even the same name charge different prices so call them ahead of time. (Didn't hurt that the girl behind the counter was smoking hot! I'll be going back there for all my.... lamination needs :) )
Drax
The Dragon's Horde is larger than the Lost Temple. | | | |
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Dogboy
Skirmisher
5 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 12:57 PM |
| I called Kinkos also and got the same quote ($3.00 per sqaure foot), but it ends up being about $13.00 per map.
Map size = 21" by 30"
21" = 1.75 feet
30" = 2.5 feet
1.75' x 2.5' = 4.375sq feet
4.375sq feet x $3.00 = $13.12
I think this is how the math works out. It looks like staples is still the better choice. I am going to check that out.
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dulsin
Sneak
171 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 1:06 PM |
| I have had all my maps laminated at kinkos and have paid about $12 each. They are about 4 square feet each and the cost is $3 / sq ft.
When I dig out my Dragon magazine maps I will glue them back to back and get them both laminated together. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/03/2006 1:21 PM |
| Map protecting is a tricky business with no great answer.
Kinko's Lamination
Heavy lamination is great protection for a map, but the heavy laminates used by places do not like to be rolled. Once rolled, it is very hard to get them to lie flat again. It is expensive ($12 to $40 per map, depending upon what your local place charges).
As with almost all types of lamination, these maps tend to cause a bit of glare when in use.
Cheap (Teacher Supply Store) Lamination
Although not as durable as the Kinko quality lamination, teacher supply store lamination (such as suggested by Wayne earlier) is far mroe pliable. I use this form of lamination. It allows me to roll my maps in a tube for transportation, and still have the maps unroll into a fairly flat surface. Once again, glare is a problem. In fact, the glare is slightly more pronounced on these maps.
Sleeves
Poster sleeves are another good way to protect these poster size maps. They are decent protection, but tend to make transporting the maps a bit more difficult. Glare is also a problem here.
Buy in multiples
Another answer is to not protect the maps at all. Just buy them in multiples. The cost of replacing a map is often cheaper than the cost of protection it. I currently have one set of maps that are laminated, but I have collected a few extra copies of certain maps so that I can replace the laminated ones in the future. I don't think I'll ever want to be without the Drow Outpost map ...
Anti-glare Tech
Frustrated by lamination glare, I have been searching for a method to counter the glare. My first attempt was to purchase 4 glare resistant 1/8" thick plastic sheets that I could lay over the maps when in use. However, this has proven to be a bit time consuming to use. In addition, the glare resistant plastic gets scuffed quickly. Further, it is hard to figure out a good size for the maps, as the maps appear to be coming in different sizes (the War Drums maps are larger than the maps we've seen to date, and I would not be surprised to see them make a map that was longer (and narrower), or more of a square/circle.
I'm currently investigating alternative methods of glare reduction.
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Shoe
Sergeant
804 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 1:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
Further, it is hard to figure out a good size for the maps, as the maps appear to be coming in different sizes (the War Drums maps are larger than the maps we've seen to date, and I would not be surprised to see them make a map that was longer (and narrower), or more of a square/circle.
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 1:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Shoe
quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
Further, it is hard to figure out a good size for the maps, as the maps appear to be coming in different sizes (the War Drums maps are larger than the maps we've seen to date, and I would not be surprised to see them make a map that was longer (and narrower), or more of a square/circle.
War Drums starter maps are 22x34 - the same size as the blank grids in the old starter. Fantastic Locations maps are 21x34. Skirmish maps for the forseeable future will be one of these two sizes.
Huh, I had never actually checked for any size differences between the maps. Is there a specific intent, or did it just happen that way? | | | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/03/2006 1:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Shoe
...War Drums starter maps are 22x34 - the same size as the blank grids in the old starter. Fantastic Locations maps are 21x34. Skirmish maps for the forseeable future will be one of these two sizes.
Wait a second ... the Fantastic Locations maps are 21 X 30 ... The new maps are 118 square inches larger ...
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/03/2006 1:44 PM |
| | An additional note on laminating your own maps: Leave about an inch of extra material on each side when trimming the maps. They tend to get a bit beat up in packing/transit. This gives you a little bit you can trim off of each edge to keep them looking nice as time goes by ... | |
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Shoe
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804 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 1:53 PM |
| FL=21x30.
mistyped. | |
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smithmeg
Sergeant
508 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 7:04 PM |
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Originally posted by turt
Can anyone recommend a place in aussieland to get it done?
Turt - I get mine done at Officeworks - If I remember right, they cost $11 each. | | | |
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Planchet
Underboss
1896 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 8:22 PM |
| quote:
Further, it is hard to figure out a good size for the maps, as the maps appear to be coming in different sizes (the War Drums maps are larger than the maps we've seen to date, and I would not be surprised to see them make a map that was longer (and narrower), or more of a square/circle.
A round map would be awesome!
$11.00 per map is really high. I had mine done at a teacher's supply store, and I think I paid something like five buck for four maps. | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 02/03/2006 8:29 PM |
| | Thanks everyone i think i will be making a trip to roseville some time soon... | |
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turt
Warrior
211 Posts
Canberra, Australia
| | 02/03/2006 10:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by smithmeg
quote:
Originally posted by turt
Can anyone recommend a place in aussieland to get it done?
Turt - I get mine done at Officeworks - If I remember right, they cost $11 each.
Thanks for that. I'll go and check them out. | | | |
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Arnminster
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 02/04/2006 1:21 AM |
| | I paid about $6 per map at Office Max. Office Max charges $2 per linear foot so it does not matter how wide the item is only how long the item is. | |
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Vrecknidj
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| | 02/04/2006 9:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
I'm currently investigating alternative methods of glare reduction.
Play in the dark. [:)]
Seriously though, if you find something, post it. I use the same kind of lamination you do and also have glare problems.
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Toxic_Rat
Sergeant
745 Posts
Lehi, Utah, USA
| | 02/04/2006 10:42 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
I'm currently investigating alternative methods of glare reduction.
Play in the dark. [:)]
Seriously though, if you find something, post it. I use the same kind of lamination you do and also have glare problems.
Dave
Dip your minis in glow-in-the-dark paint and away you go. [:D]
I've not tried it, but perhaps a matte spray would work. This can be obtained in hobby or craft stores. I have no idea what interaction there could be between the laminate and the spray. I have some (I think) so maybe I'll try it on a spare map.
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Arnminster
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 02/04/2006 4:24 PM |
| | I recently started replacing all my light bulbs with florescent bulbs and noticed that the glare is significantly reduced. | |
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Daunte
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518 Posts
| | 02/04/2006 9:17 PM |
| I got mine done at lakeshore learning center. Had 5 maps done and they measured them on the floor, hehe. Total was like $11 for the 5 maps.
Glare is kind of a pain sometimes. But you get used to it really.
Although i have started to just use non protected maps. Easier to transport. | |
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Venport
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739 Posts
| | 02/08/2006 3:25 PM |
| Thanks for the Help everyone i had all of the maps done except Dragons Hord For under $5 at lakeshore learning center like wyane sugested... They Look good and are now in my New Transport tube so i can take them to Miniture events.
Thanks again and i recomned them the Do-it-your self keeps people from asking questions about what this stuff is (if that is an issue for you) it's easy and only took me abou 20 min to get all of them done (and that's on the slow setting so that it would push out all the Wrinkles
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LargeMarmot
Sergeant
463 Posts
| | 02/08/2006 8:11 PM |
| | I use a poster frame personally. I can't use erasable marker or transport them but they look nice and it's great for tiles. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/15/2006 6:15 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
I'm currently investigating alternative methods of glare reduction.
Play in the dark. [:)]
Seriously though, if you find something, post it. I use the same kind of lamination you do and also have glare problems.
Dave
I'm still working on a glare solution, but it doesn't look promising at this point. So far, the glare resistant plastic is the best option, but as I mentioned before - it has scuff problems, although the scuff problems seem to have arisen during transport, so I'm considering my options for redoing the plates and coming up with a better way to transport and protect the pieces of plastic.
As a glare reducer, they are moderately effective. The plastic sheets diffuse light due to an ever so slighlty 'foggy' covering. THis foggy covering is enough to reduce glare, but not enough to be visible when the map is placed directly beneath it - I can't observe any loss of detail with it down.
Unfortunately, it only seems to reduce about 1/3 of the glare.
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Darthrau
Underboss
2233 Posts
| | 02/15/2006 8:59 AM |
| | Who make the poster protector's? I've went to my FLGS and Comic store and niether can find any. On a side note my FLGS doesn't use(I forget the name) one of the bigger known protector sleeve companies. | |
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| | 02/15/2006 3:54 PM |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/15/2006 7:38 PM |
| I may have a possible answer to reduce glare. Art supply stores sell matte acetate sheets. These 0.03 or 0.05 inch thick sheets are 25" X 40", and should do the job to reduce glare when placed with the 'frosted side up'.
I have yet to visit an art supply store to observe these materials, but they seem to be something that can be rolled. If so, it would be simple to just carry a rolled set of this material to lay over the laminated maps. It may not be terribly durable, but at $3.00 or $4.00 per sheet, you could probably stand to replace it every 3 or 4 months without too much trouble.
I plan to pick some up on Saturday and test it out. I'll post how well it works. | |
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turt
Warrior
211 Posts
Canberra, Australia
| | 02/16/2006 5:30 AM |
| | I got my maps done at Officeworks. They cost me $7 each. Luckily I got a Coles Myer card for my birthday. | | | |
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