orcmonk220
Underboss
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| OK, taken from the fact that the mini is called 'Snig, Worg Rider' and the following:
quote:
Snig's skirmish stats get an upgrade compared to his first appearance. Being mounted on a worg helps, giving him speed equal to the fastest non-flying, Lawful Evil creatures out there. The axe can strike twice per round unless Snig utilizes his Mounted Melee Attack ability, which lets him take one attack anywhere during a 20-square move.
The key words are in bold.... They are used to describe a person, not an object usually. I feel this could be confirmation. 'The axe'is referred to often, not, for example 'Snig gets two melee attacks, unless the goblin utalises....' etc. | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
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1623 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 9:11 AM |
| | Yeah, that was the first thing I thought when I read it too. Snig IS the gobo, not the axe. That's final. Though I personally liked it as the Axe better. | | | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
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| | 02/09/2006 9:23 AM |
| | Why did people the the axe was named Snig to begin with? | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 9:39 AM |
| the models name is "Snig the Axe".. with an obiviously magical axe and commander 0, why not make a humorous observation that Snig could be the Axe with the goblin as a familiar.
Im gonna disagree tho. Its obivious that this is just another misdirection by Shoe.. its a common occurance for something that cant move on its own to be closely associated with its form of transportation. KITT wasnt the car.. it was the computer in the car. But we naturally associate it with the car and refer to the whole package as "KITT".
see what Im saying. Not Confirmed. and I bet we could get a "Shoefirmation" if someone pointed him to this thread. | |
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| | Snig rules all. Now its time to see if there is any desent 6pt goblin figures. | |
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nyjastul69
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| | 02/09/2006 9:53 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
the models name is "Snig the Axe".. with an obiviously magical axe and commander 0, why not make a humorous observation that Snig could be the Axe with the goblin as a familiar.
Im gonna disagree tho. Its obivious that this is just another misdirection by Shoe.. its a common occurance for something that cant move on its own to be closely associated with its form of transportation. KITT wasnt the car.. it was the computer in the car. But we naturally associate it with the car and refer to the whole package as "KITT".
see what Im saying. Not Confirmed. and I bet we could get a "Shoefirmation" if someone pointed him to this thread.
Knight rider didn't interest me (I think that's what your referencing). But I know what you're saying.
It always seemed to me that Snig (the goblin) was refered to as 'the axe'. Imagine Snig walking through a goblin camp and the grunts saying, shhh, keep it down, here comes the Axe. | |
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Ack
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1476 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 9:59 AM |
| | Yes, I am referring to Knight Rider. You associate the intelligence with the external visuals. PS: Im not sure I dig the new look for Snig. | |
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Count Dooku
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4636 Posts
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| | 02/09/2006 10:09 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
Why did people the the axe was named Snig to begin with?
Exactly...No one really thought the Axe was named Snig..People just liked the silly debate. :) | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
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| | 02/09/2006 10:10 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
Yes, I am referring to Knight Rider. You associate the intelligence with the external visuals. PS: Im not sure I dig the new look for Snig.
I really like Snig's new look. He's just downright terrifying on that Worg. The sculpts just keep getting better with more detail at every turn. | | | |
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5638 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 10:42 AM |
| | Can anyone do a size comparison with Snig the Axe against Snig the Worg Rider? | |
Originally posted by Schooly_D
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nyjastul69
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2710 Posts
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| | 02/09/2006 10:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
Why did people the the axe was named Snig to begin with?
Exactly...No one really thought the Axe was named Snig..People just liked the silly debate. :)
Ohh... I took the debates literally. [img][img]http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/837.gif[/img][/img] | |
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wolfsbane114
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327 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 11:49 AM |
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Can anyone do a size comparison with Snig the Axe against Snig the Worg Rider?
Yeah this was done in another thread.I dont know how to link it. But it was "It's up-preview 9 of WD" page 6.
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| | 02/09/2006 12:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
Why did people the the axe was named Snig to begin with?
Exactly...No one really thought the Axe was named Snig..People just liked the silly debate. :)
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EldritchSoul
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| | 02/09/2006 12:05 PM |
| | snig could still be the axe, it's quite obviously a sentient, male-personality axe. this debate isn't closed yet. | |
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| | 02/09/2006 12:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by orcmonk220
OK, taken from the fact that the mini is called 'Snig, Worg Rider' and the following:
quote:
Snig's skirmish stats get an upgrade compared to his first appearance. Being mounted on a worg helps, giving him speed equal to the fastest non-flying, Lawful Evil creatures out there. The axe can strike twice per round unless Snig utilizes his Mounted Melee Attack ability, which lets him take one attack anywhere during a 20-square move.
The key words are in bold.... They are used to describe a person, not an object usually. I feel this could be confirmation. 'The axe'is referred to often, not, for example 'Snig gets two melee attacks, unless the goblin utalises....' etc.
unless the axe is intelligent and has an ego, then you could use "him" | |
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Darthrau
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| | 02/09/2006 1:29 PM |
| | But the axe is different therefore Snig can only be one thing. The Goblin of course in Neverwinter Night's Underdark expansion they had that sentient that changed it's shape to what you used. Hmmmm..... | |
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jgsugden
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| | 02/09/2006 1:53 PM |
| Slow down ...
Shoe stated on the other thread that he did not believe that he had confirmed that Snig is either the Axe or the Goblin. Accordingly, as he was the author, nothing in that post should be intended to indicate whether the goblin or the axe is Snig. Any text in the article that seems to indicate either that Snig is the goblin or the axe is either:
a.) Being misread, or
b.) An error by the author that is implying something that was not intended to be implied, and thus cannot be trusted.
Observing the fine details in a written work is a good idea - but checking with the author to make sure he said what you think he said is always a good idea when absolute clarity is necessary.
We still do not know what Snig is. | |
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johnny.quest
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1341 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:15 PM |
| Good point, Joe, but it's hard to misread the following:
"In this incarnation of Snig, the goblin's lost his hat (from the Archfiends mini -- it must have flown off while riding) and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe [emphasis added]."
Which leads to choice b) ... If Snig isn't the goblin, that sentence needs to be re-written, as it clearly says Snig is poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe. | | | |
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Wakalimasu
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738 Posts
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| | 02/09/2006 2:18 PM |
| Snig, the axe, goblin rider :p
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Warlord
5638 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:19 PM |
| | Snig = goblin | |
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Luisjoey
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1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 02/09/2006 2:25 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by EldritchSoul
snig could still be the axe, it's quite obviously a sentient, male-personality axe. this debate isn't closed yet.
Why not ask guy or the developers? | |
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| | 02/09/2006 2:26 PM |
| | Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..." | |
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IanB
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3112 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
Good point, Joe, but it's hard to misread the following:
"In this incarnation of Snig, the goblin's lost his hat (from the Archfiends mini -- it must have flown off while riding) and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe [emphasis added]."
Which leads to choice b) ... If Snig isn't the goblin, that sentence needs to be re-written, as it clearly says Snig is poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe.
No, it says the goblin sits poised to deliver. Re-read it carefully. :) | |
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johnny.quest
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1341 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:31 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
Good point, Joe, but it's hard to misread the following:
"In this incarnation of Snig, the goblin's lost his hat (from the Archfiends mini -- it must have flown off while riding) and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe [emphasis added]."
Which leads to choice b) ... If Snig isn't the goblin, that sentence needs to be re-written, as it clearly says Snig is poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe.
No, it says the goblin sits poised to deliver. Re-read it carefully. :)
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Warlord
5638 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful.... | |
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Orion72
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1917 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
Good point, Joe, but it's hard to misread the following:
"In this incarnation of Snig, the goblin's lost his hat (from the Archfiends mini -- it must have flown off while riding) and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe [emphasis added]."
Which leads to choice b) ... If Snig isn't the goblin, that sentence needs to be re-written, as it clearly says Snig is poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe.
Nothing in the sentence you quoted states clearly that Snig is the goblin. "In this incarnation of Snig" - this version of Snig vs the Archfiends version - "the goblin has lost his hat and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe" - the hatless goblin is wielding the axe, but either of them could still be Snig.
Never mind that the axe is completely different from the previous sculpt - it's, um, a shapeshifting axe! Yeah, that's it, a shapeshifting axe. Named Snig. [:D] | | | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1341 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:38 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Orion72
quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
Good point, Joe, but it's hard to misread the following:
"In this incarnation of Snig, the goblin's lost his hat (from the Archfiends mini -- it must have flown off while riding) and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe [emphasis added]."
Which leads to choice b) ... If Snig isn't the goblin, that sentence needs to be re-written, as it clearly says Snig is poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe.
Nothing in the sentence you quoted states clearly that Snig is the goblin. "In this incarnation of Snig" - this version of Snig vs the Archfiends version - "the goblin has lost his hat and sits poised to deliver a nasty swipe with his axe" - the hatless goblin is wielding the axe, but either of them could still be Snig.
Never mind that the axe is completely different from the previous sculpt - it's, um, a shapeshifting axe! Yeah, that's it, a shapeshifting axe. Named Snig. [:D]
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/09/2006 2:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Orion72
...Never mind that the axe is completely different from the previous sculpt - it's, um, a shapeshifting axe! Yeah, that's it, a shapeshifting axe. Named Snig. [:D]
Not completely different. The changes can be explained by increased detail in the sculpt. The goblin looks different from the Archfiends version of Snig, too. It would be just as easy to claim that the goblin is a different goblin because of the changes to it ... (and I'm not just talking about the hat). | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:50 PM |
| I think it would be much cooler if Snig was the name of the Axe and not the Goblin. But that's just me.
In the first sculpt theAxe was very big and commanding looking, almost as big as the goblin wielding it, I'd venture to guess Snig, the Axe is meant for THE Axe. [)]
On the other hand, this goblin was a lot bigger than all the other goblins that came before and after him, uniquely distinguishing him from the rest and perhaps nicknamed Snig, the Axe because of the huge axe he would cut you down with.
I think part of the appeal (not mine tho) of Snig is not knowing who the name belongs to. | |
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583 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 3:31 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Newtoncain
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| | 02/09/2006 3:53 PM |
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Cosworth
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215 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 4:15 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
Why did people the the axe was named Snig to begin with?
Exactly...No one really thought the Axe was named Snig..People just liked the silly debate. :)
Ohh... I took the debates literally.
You and me both! It was making just as much sense to me as why the entire muslim world seems to hate my country these days on account of 12 cartoon images.
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 5:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ack
the models name is "Snig the Axe".. with an obiviously magical axe and commander 0, why not make a humorous observation that Snig could be the Axe with the goblin as a familiar.
Im gonna disagree tho. Its obivious that this is just another misdirection by Shoe.. its a common occurance for something that cant move on its own to be closely associated with its form of transportation. KITT wasnt the car.. it was the computer in the car. But we naturally associate it with the car and refer to the whole package as "KITT".
see what Im saying. Not Confirmed. and I bet we could get a "Shoefirmation" if someone pointed him to this thread.
Not entirely true. KITT was the entire vehicle. The Knight Industries Two Thousand was the "name" of the vehicle. Michael Knight talked to the voice of the Knight Industries Two Thousand. Originally, "KITT" introduced itself as the voice of the Knight Industries Two Thousand. Michael (and Devon and Bonnie and Wilton Knight) all referred to the entire vehicle and voice as "KITT" since they were one and the same. (After all, there was a predecessor, KARR (Knight Automated Roving Robot) that lacked KITT's personality and programming to protect human life).
As the vehicle wore on, KITT became more and more "human" (it wasl also in his programming to be humane and adapt) due to all of his interaction with Michael and various others.
This can be validated by rewatching Knight Rider. So, it's not quite the same. | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4836 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/09/2006 7:29 PM |
| I always thought "Snig" was the hat. Seems that theory is right out the window [)]
I suppose people adhering to the "Snig refers to the axe" theory would also believe that Mac The Knife was a piece of cutlery (Gary Larson cartoons don't count)?
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| | 02/09/2006 7:42 PM |
| | Snig is the goblin. The axe theory I think was started on a lark and the proponents think it's fun to keep at it. And I think now WotC appreciates keeping it vague and letting us speculate about it as a bit of fun. | |
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1476 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 12:03 AM |
| quote:
it's, um, a shapeshifting axe! Yeah, that's it, a shapeshifting axe. Named Snig
Game Set and Match right there folks.
The Axe has shapeshifted into the form of a lanky goblin to make mobility a bit easier then has subjugated a new magical axe (named bob) as its current familiar. So Snig (the original Axe) has polymorphed into a goblin (his old familiar was too pudgy) and has taken a new familiar (Bob the Axe) as his sidekick.. then hopped onto a worg.
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2838 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 1:18 AM |
| Aww, c'mon and be serious here.
Snig is a Weapon of Legacy, and its omen is to subtly and continously shift form. You won't notice it after the first day, but after day four or five the change will be significant enough to make a person wonder.
Either that or the Axe dominated the tar out of the Goblin carrying it so that the Goblin would put a lot of time and effort into upgrading it.
It's very simple really.
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MackeyJ
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1414 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 1:34 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
quote:
Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
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zenthrus
Commander
4836 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/10/2006 1:57 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MackeyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Username
quote:
Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
Axe = noun
What about if someone "axes" you a question? Then Axe = Verb [:)] | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 02/10/2006 8:00 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MackeyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Username
quote:
Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
Axe = noun
It's not only a noun.
tr.v. axed, ax·ing, ax·es
To chop or fell with or as if with an ax: axed down the saplings; axed out a foothold in the ice.
Informal. To remove ruthlessly or suddenly: a social program that was axed to effectuate budget cuts.
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