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WakeXX
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| | Definately the goblin...[)] | | | |
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kyrin
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3152 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 8:38 AM |
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Originally posted by MackeyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Username
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Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
Axe = noun
So? I'm sure there are a number of Legitimate Italian Businessmen with sobriquets taken from the animal kingdom that might want to respectfully debate the point. Not to mention a professional wrestler or two...
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nyjastul69
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2710 Posts
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| | 02/10/2006 8:41 AM |
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Originally posted by kyrin:
who may have to add "Snig is the AXE!" to his sig
Good idea. [:D] | |
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Vash
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1995 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 8:45 AM |
| Do not fear for I will clarify all! Take my word as Law.
Snig is the Goblin
Drow is pronounced like "Cow"
Thats a large Black Dragon on the side of the WotDQ booster.
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jgsugden
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4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/10/2006 8:46 AM |
| As you can all see, the debate is as alive as ever:
There are indications that the goblin might be Snig, but there are reasonable enough arguments remaining to claim it is the Axe. As long as that remains true, the argument can rage on ...
I, however, think Snig is actually the hat, and I congratulate WotC on very sneakily working in the first ethereal miniature. | |
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greyhaze
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Originally posted by MackeyJ
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Originally posted by Username
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Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
Axe = noun
Ever hear of getting "axed". It's not necessarily a noun. | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
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1623 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 10:28 AM |
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Originally posted by EldritchSoul
or Blues
I see blues being much less influential in the 8 figure limit than may have previously been the case. Their mindthrust DC13 (IIRC) just won't get off against much in that format...especially with Helmed Horrors and the like running around. | | | |
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greyhaze
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5841 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 12:22 PM |
| | Alot of the older DCs were pretty low, an old fig will be hard pressed to keep up. | |
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Runelord151
Underboss
1203 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 7:46 AM |
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Originally posted by kyrin
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Originally posted by MackeyJ
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Originally posted by Username
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Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
Axe = noun
So? I'm sure there are a number of Legitimate Italian Businessmen with sobriquets taken from the animal kingdom that might want to respectfully debate the point. Not to mention a professional wrestler or two...
JIM
aka kyrin
who may have to add "Snig is the AXE!" to his sig
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/11/2006 8:01 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sharn Inquisitor
quote:
Originally posted by EldritchSoul
or Blues
I see blues being much less influential in the 8 figure limit than may have previously been the case. Their mindthrust DC13 (IIRC) just won't get off against much in that format...especially with Helmed Horrors and the like running around.
There will be less fodder, but there will still be fodder in games. Even in the 8 activation era, I still expect to see Sniglets, men at arms, orc warriors, xephs, etc ... that have a worse than 50% chance to survive a mind thrust.
Additionally, these guys can be game changers in rare circumstances, something rare in a 5 point piece. In a recent tourney round, my blue proved to be a game changing piece when it confused a drow arcane guard for one round, allowing me to use the burning hands on my enemies troops instead of my own - which resulted in my foe's only commander, Ryld, routing off the board.
Further, a DC13 effect is stronger than many people realize. A goblin skirmisher has a +3 ranged attack. He has a 35% chance of hitting a foe with a 19 AC with a missile attack. That attack is limited to range 6, and has to worry about DR. Meanwhile, a blue has a 30% chance of getting his mind thrust to hurt a level 6 creature. It has sight range and ignores DR (although must consider spell resistance). Accordingly, the blue is substantially better against pieces like a justice archon or chraal, which still have places in the constructed universe.
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PatEllis15
Commander
4462 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 8:13 AM |
| Well, I have to say that I always wanted to think of Snig as being the Axe itself. I'm glad the debate hasn't been quelled!
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 6:02 PM |
| Seeing as how the intro said that all 3 minis are goblins (or part goblin), I'm pretty sure Snig is the goblin.
Also, the text clearly says several times that Snig is "astride" the worg. Look closely at the picture and the only one astride the worg is the goblin, not the axe. The axe isn't striding anything.
But as Shoe was clever enough to never explicitly spell it out in text, those who fail to grasp the usage of the English language and those who will always cling to the faintest of hopes will still hold to their belief that Snig is the Axe...even despite evidence to the contrary. [)] | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 6:09 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
Seeing as how the intro said that all 3 minis are goblins (or part goblin), I'm pretty sure Snig is the goblin.
Also, the text clearly says several times that Snig is "astride" the worg. Look closely at the picture and the only one astride the worg is the goblin, not the axe. The axe isn't striding anything.
But as Shoe was clever enough to never explicitly spell it out in text, those who fail to grasp the usage of the English language and those who will always cling to the faintest of hopes will still hold to their belief that Snig is the Axe...even despite evidence to the contrary. [)]
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 6:16 PM |
| Or, as jgsugden suspects, Snig could be the ethereal green hat. It's sitting on the worg and the goblin is sitting behind it, but you can't see it.
And might I add, D, you have a hilarious icon. The GBD does look like the draconic version of Yo Yo Ma. So funny. | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 6:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
Or, as jgsugden suspects, Snig could be the ethereal green hat. It's sitting on the worg and the goblin is sitting behind it, but you can't see it.
And might I add, D, you have a hilarious icon. The GBD does look like the draconic version of Yo Yo Ma. So funny.
Thanks! I knew when I saw the larger version glumag made, it had to be new avatar!
Maybe it's a sentient hat of disguise? That goblin could secretly be wearing a really nice hairpin. [)] | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 9:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Feathers
Also, the text clearly says several times that Snig is "astride" the worg. Look closely at the picture and the only one astride the worg is the goblin, not the axe. The axe isn't striding anything.
Astride can also mean "across" or "over." Now, the Axe (be it Snig or not [)]) is definitely "over" the worg.
It could also be argued that Snig considers the goblin to be "part" of it. As such, Snig would be astride the worg whether or not the consiousness of Snig resided in the axe or the paltry form of a goblin.
[:o)]
I've just realized that I don't care about this argument so much as I enjoy coming up with reasons WHY Snig is the Axe. It's just too much fun... | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 02/11/2006 9:33 PM |
| The more things change (like Snig sculpts), the more they stay the same (like the axe/goblin identity battle). [)]
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/11/2006 9:50 PM |
| | I miss Snig's hat... [B)] | |
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frogrodeo
Sergeant
706 Posts
| | 02/12/2006 12:23 AM |
| | Maybe they both have the same name - - the goblin and the axe, both named Snig, get it? yep, I think it might just be... | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 02/12/2006 9:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Runelord151
quote:
Originally posted by kyrin
quote:
Originally posted by MackeyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Username
quote:
Originally posted by gausse
Think "The Axe" is his nickname. Like "The Bloody" or "The Not So Brave As Lancelot..."
Like Urthok the Vicious, Larth the Beautiful....
I don't think we can think of it quite in that way.
Vicious = adjective
Beautiful = adjective
Axe = noun
So? I'm sure there are a number of Legitimate Italian Businessmen with sobriquets taken from the animal kingdom that might want to respectfully debate the point. Not to mention a professional wrestler or two...
JIM
aka kyrin
who may have to add "Snig is the AXE!" to his sig
Jimmy the Fish?
this is a perfect opportunity to allow me to quote one of my all time favorite scenes
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Originally posted by Analyze This
My name is Ben Sobel... -lioni. Ben Sobellioni. I'm also known as, uh, Benny the Groin, Sammy the Schnazz, Elmer the Fudd, Tubby the Tuba, and once as Miss Phyllis Levine.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/12/2006 10:01 AM |
| Once again: The text of the article is irrelevant in this matter.
In the legal field, attorneys often argue over pitiful little nuances to attempt to provce the 'true' meaning of a set of words. When there is some room for multiple interpretations, the sides resort to many tactics to prove that their interpretation is correct. The strongest way to support an interpretation is to have the person(s) that wrote the materials explain what they intended.
Shoe has posted that he did not intend to indicate that either the Goblin, or the Axe, is Snig. Accordingly, any 'evidence' found in the article that Snig is the goblin, the axe, or (more likely) the (ethereal) hat is not trustworthy. That evidence would either be:
i.) A faulty interpretation of the presentation, or
ii.) an accidental misstatement of the situation.
As any of the evidence presented for any of the interpretations presented to date can be supported with reasonable arguments, we are still left without a firm conclusion. Let the debate rage on. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
5841 Posts
| | 02/12/2006 1:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dariustad
Thanks! I knew when I saw the larger version glumag made, it had to be new avatar!
Maybe it's a sentient hat of disguise? That goblin could secretly be wearing a really nice hairpin. [)]
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3858 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/12/2006 5:40 PM |
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Originally posted by PatEllis15
Well, I have to say that I always wanted to think of Snig as being the Axe itself. I'm glad the debate hasn't been quelled!
Pat E
Me too.
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A Can of the Cave Beer I've just realized that I don't care about this argument so much as I enjoy coming up with reasons WHY Snig is the Axe. It's just too much fun...
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 02/13/2006 12:47 AM |
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Originally posted by jgsugden
Once again: The text of the article is irrelevant in this matter.
In the legal field, attorneys often argue over pitiful little nuances to attempt to provce the 'true' meaning of a set of words. When there is some room for multiple interpretations, the sides resort to many tactics to prove that their interpretation is correct. The strongest way to support an interpretation is to have the person(s) that wrote the materials explain what they intended.
Shoe has posted that he did not intend to indicate that either the Goblin, or the Axe, is Snig. Accordingly, any 'evidence' found in the article that Snig is the goblin, the axe, or (more likely) the (ethereal) hat is not trustworthy. That evidence would either be:
i.) A faulty interpretation of the presentation, or
ii.) an accidental misstatement of the situation.
As any of the evidence presented for any of the interpretations presented to date can be supported with reasonable arguments, we are still left without a firm conclusion. Let the debate rage on.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/13/2006 1:33 AM |
| This has probably been said by someone before:
Looking at the RPG side of the card for Snig the Axe, there are two things which show that "Snig the Axe" is the name of the goblin, and not the weapon.
First, the title (on black line) says Snig the Axe (GOBLIN)--as in Snig the Axe has creature type goblin. The weapon would not be listed as creature type goblin.
Second, under possessions, it shows that the goblin has a +1 Greataxe. It doesn't show a sentient magic item with the name "Snig".
I doubt WotC will ever say specifically if Snig is the name of the goblin or the weapon. They enjoy too much the silly endless debate about it [:0] | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 02/13/2006 11:41 PM |
| There is no "back" side to the Skirmish cards!
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ShivanWurm
Sergeant
500 Posts
| | 02/13/2006 11:43 PM |
| | I allways thought Snig was the hat. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6621 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/13/2006 11:44 PM |
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Who said "back"? | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 02/14/2006 12:17 AM |
| Whoops. I meant "RPG". [:D]
I just assumed you meant "back" because there's no mention of the things you're talking about on the "front" of the card...
Yeah, that's it. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3152 Posts
| | 02/14/2006 8:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by dariustad
Thanks! I knew when I saw the larger version glumag made, it had to be new avatar!
Maybe it's a sentient hat of disguise? That goblin could secretly be wearing a really nice hairpin. [)]
You gonna turn the CRDs flame in to a tuba or something?
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