Orion72
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| Let's take a wild stab and guess that the Arcanix Guard is both LG and Common. That gives us 8 of 12 Commons:
LG
Arcanix Guard
CG
Wood Elf Ranger
CG/CE
John Cougar
LE
Goblin Blackblade
LE/CE
Skellie Legionnaire
CE
Derro
Orc Mauler
Quaggoth Slave
Other than the Cougar, I can easily see having tons of these guys. In fact, the guard, elf, orc, goblin and skellie can be the base soldiers for huge armies like the kind Zenako recently put together. I would guess that the chances are good of seeing another Common Dwarf as well.
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yack
Commander
3252 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 02/09/2006 1:50 PM |
| | Yes they are nice...not keen on the elf maybe want one. Maybe a couple cougars. But other then that nice selection. I'm hoping for another hobgoblin!!! | |
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AesophDarkfable
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| | 02/09/2006 1:59 PM |
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Originally posted by forkedmoon
a decent common gnome would be nice as well.
2 out of 4 gnomes have been commons. Lets get a nice leveled gnome that can kill stuff :) | |
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forkedmoon
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1305 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:01 PM |
| | a decent common gnome would be nice as well. | |
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Username
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5687 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:08 PM |
| | I'm really liking this common set, and four more to go! | |
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forkedmoon
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1305 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:09 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by forkedmoon
a decent common gnome would be nice as well.
2 out of 4 gnomes have been commons. Lets get a nice leveled gnome that can kill stuff :)
True but they were Harbinger and Dragoneye so those of us who are newer don't many if any. I agree that we need a killer gnome (or two) but he needs followers as well. | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
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1623 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:12 PM |
| | I'd be alright with a common gnome in this set. We just got the common halfling last set. We're due for some good PC type common gnomes, or gnome support. | | | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/09/2006 2:13 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Username
I'm really liking this common set, and four more to go!
Yeah one of those four better be a Twig Blight!!!! | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/09/2006 2:29 PM |
| What might the final 4 be? Well, let's break down the ones we know by point cost:
Skeletal Legionnaire ~ 5 points (based upon prior minis?)
Hunting Cougar ~ 8 points? (based on almost 4:1 hp ratio comment)
Wood Elf Ranger - 23
Orc Mauler - 26
Derro - 9 or 11
Quaggoth Slave ~11
Arcanix Guard - 9
Goblin Blackblade - 12
As the commons are broken down into 4 sets of 3 by cost, I think our cost ranges will be:
3-6 (1 figure known?)
7-10 (2 or 3 figures)
11-19 (2 or 3 frigures)
20+ (2 figures)
That means our remaining 4 figures should be: 2 cheap figures, 1 figure anywhere between 7 and 19 points, and 1 expensive figure.
Now for some real speculation:
As this is an entry set with the typical races represented, I would be surprised to not see a dwarf amongst those final 4. I think a dwarf would be likely to fall in the 7 - 19 range, so I'll guess he fills out those 'middle common' ranks. We've had a lot of dwarves, so there are no real amazing gaps to fill in terms of popular dwarves types, but we don't really have many polearm dwarves, so I'll guess this dwarf might be a dwarf with a reach weapon.
That would leave us with 3 more commons, 2 of which should be cheap, and one of which should be fairly expensive. It also leaves us without any non-humanoids monsters, so I'd expect to see at least two of those 3 commons be non-humanoids.
Referencing our Red Doom 'spoilers' may aid our guessing. I think the insect might make excellent commons, as they tend to occur in large numbers. A CR 3 creature seems about right for a 20+ point common. Accordingly, crossing those things together gives me the giant wasp - which might be hard to sculp as a common, but would be very useful. Perhaps they'll tack on the fiendish template to make it a summonable creature, and to allow for more freedom in sculpting.
When we continue to look at the Red Doom spoilers, one other cheap creature jumps out to me as a possibility for filling one of our cheap slots: stirge. It may be a pipe dream, but it really needs to be a common. I'm hopeful.I forgot that they said no stirges in this set ... hmmm ... gnome or halfling scout maybe?
That leaves us with one more cheap creature. Given the Red Hand of Doom's apparent focus, I think another hobgoblin may be in order. Perhaps a 6 point hobgoblin archer? Hobgobs are dexy, after all ...
So, those are my guesses for the remaining 4 figures:
Fiendish Giant Wasp (25 pts?)
Dwarven Pikeman (8 pts?)
Stirge (3 pts?) gnome or halfling scout Α pts?]
Hobgoblin Archer (6 pts?) | |
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Rav950
Warrior
340 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 2:40 PM |
| | They already said "no stirges in this set" in the preview regarding the flameskull. However, it does also seem like stirge plans are being worked up. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 3:00 PM |
| | Note that sometimes there is cost overlap in the common slots. I am pretty sure one of the recent sets had a 6 point guy in both the "cheap" slot and the "one up from cheap" slot. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/09/2006 3:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by IanB
Note that sometimes there is cost overlap in the common slots. I am pretty sure one of the recent sets had a 6 point guy in both the "cheap" slot and the "one up from cheap" slot.
I don't recall that, but I wasn't looking too closely then. Regardless, it wouldn't effect my estimate on the point 'gaps' that need to be filled. We'll likely see 2 cheapies (as nothing known overlaps this gap), 1 expensive (as there are two fairly expenasive commons and nothing else even close), and 1 somewhere in the large gap between (as there are 5 in the same rough ballpark) ... | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3388 Posts
Netherlands
| | 02/09/2006 3:55 PM |
| I think there was some rumour about a common monstrous centipede somewhere in a thread. the known commons are really cool, I just ordered a second case today.
I expect/would like the other four to be:
- dwarf rogue
- gnome bard
- monstrous centipede
- human archer
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6322 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 7:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by forkedmoon
a decent common gnome would be nice as well.
2 out of 4 gnomes have been commons. Lets get a nice leveled gnome that can kill stuff :)
How about a Gnome that greater firebursts on contact with the enemy? | |
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11406 Posts
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| | 02/09/2006 7:42 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Orion72
Other than the Cougar, I can easily see having tons of these guys. In fact, the guard, elf, orc, goblin and skellie can be the base soldiers for huge armies like the kind Zenako recently put together. I would guess that the chances are good of seeing another Common Dwarf as well.
Yes. I don't need all the weird stuff like Wrackspawns and Ophidians. Just give me nice Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Goblins, and some of the undead with different weapons and different poses. | |
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Username
Warlord
5687 Posts
| | 02/09/2006 7:59 PM |
| | I'd like to get my War Drums called shot as a common - Human Mercenary/Conscript. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5081 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/10/2006 12:11 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Originally posted by Username
I'm really liking this common set, and four more to go!
Yeah one of those four better be a Twig Blight!!!!
Amen brother. Amen! Twig Blight and Stirge are two of minis I informally Champion (they were already taken). Sounds like the almighty Stirge will be showing its head in DQ or the next set.
More gnomes would be awesome. If War Drums has both a common gnome and a common twig blight it will be the absolute BEST set yet (as far as commons go). | |
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devasque
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874 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 12:38 AM |
| | Outside the cougar I can see another common slot for a creature/monster type. Like both the wasp and centipede ideas, would add a snake in there to as we havn't gotten one of those yet. A common gnome I could get on board with. Could even do a 'Gnome Apprentice' to fit the wizard bill. We havn't seen an arbitrary undead type common yet either so that's a possibility. | |
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Dropbear
Warrior
181 Posts
Perth, Western Australia
| | 02/10/2006 12:46 AM |
| The list doesn't include any common human minis at the moment.
The previous common humans have been:
(Harbinger) Human Commoner, Human Bandit, Man-At-Arms,
(Dragoneye) Barbarian Mercenary, Human Crossbowman
(Archfiends) Sage, Dalelend Miltia, Zhentarim Fighter, Soldier of Cormyr, Cultist of the Dragon
(Giants of Legend) City Guard
(Aberrations) Emerald Claw Soldier, Carrion Tribe Barbarian, Man-At-Arms
(Deathknell) [none]
(Angelfire) Caravan Guard, Xeph Warrior (almost human ...)
(Underdark) Royal Guard, Mercenary Sergeant
Most of those were minis I definately wanted mutiples of.
So, my guess is there will be at least one human common ... | |
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Corim Danex
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6802 Posts
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| | 02/10/2006 1:31 AM |
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Originally posted by devasque
We havn't seen an arbitrary undead type common yet either so that's a possibility.
??
Skeletal Legionnaire (sp?) | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6622 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 10:02 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
quote:
Originally posted by devasque
We havn't seen an arbitrary undead type common yet either so that's a possibility.
??
Skeletal Legionnaire (sp?)
heehee, well, he's got you there... but, maybe there will be a second type, like a common ghoul, wight or shadow. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 10:08 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Dropbear
The list doesn't include any common human minis at the moment.
The previous common humans have been:
(Harbinger) Human Commoner, Human Bandit, Man-At-Arms,
(Dragoneye) Barbarian Mercenary, Human Crossbowman
(Archfiends) Sage, Dalelend Miltia, Zhentarim Fighter, Soldier of Cormyr, Cultist of the Dragon
(Giants of Legend) City Guard
(Aberrations) Emerald Claw Soldier, Carrion Tribe Barbarian, Man-At-Arms
(Deathknell) [none]
(Angelfire) Caravan Guard, Xeph Warrior (almost human ...)
(Underdark) Royal Guard, Mercenary Sergeant
Most of those were minis I definately wanted mutiples of.
So, my guess is there will be at least one human common ...
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greyhaze
Warlord
6622 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 10:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
quote:
Originally posted by Dropbear
The list doesn't include any common human minis at the moment.
The Arcanix Guard is a human.
Busted. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 10:44 AM |
| Alright, so we have
a Human
a Goblin
an Elf
an Animal
an Orc
an Undead
Derro
Quaggoth
besides another Dwarf (dear god no) what other types would there really be left to commonize that we've gotten in previoius sets.
I would guess
Monsterous Centipede
An outsider of some type (We've had one in DE, GoL, and AF; its about time for a nother common outsider)
An Abberation
most likely a common dwarf.....
What I would hope to be common
Gnome something
Monsterous Centipede
Gnoll somehting (although an uncommon would make me just as happy)
Another undead besides a skelleton
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Sammael
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1881 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 10:45 AM |
| | WD commons are pretty good. Since commons and uncommons really make or break the set for me, that increases the appeal of WD for me. | |
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Vash
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1995 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 11:06 AM |
| Read the post below before this VVVV
We need about another 10 gnolls.
A new commander type would be nice particularly (I don't count the Flind) | |
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Username
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5687 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 11:07 AM |
| | NEED another gnoll! | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 11:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Orion72
There are still all sorts of gnolls from Chainmail to be made - I have a Gnoll Cleric I'd like an excuse to paint, and weren't some of them Fiendish or planetouched? Those are likely to be Uncommon, but I'd say gnolls have a good chance of getting another Common too.
Gnolls
Gnomes
Halflings
Dwarves are fairly certain
Evil Humans
are all Humanoids who could see a Common in this set.
Id almost want to say no Common dwarves this set because we just had one in UD, but that hasnt stopped them before... | |
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Orion72
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1917 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 11:41 AM |
| There are still all sorts of gnolls from Chainmail to be made - I have a Gnoll Cleric I'd like an excuse to paint, and weren't some of them Fiendish or planetouched? Those are likely to be Uncommon, but I'd say gnolls have a good chance of getting another Common too.
Gnolls
Gnomes
Halflings
Dwarves are fairly certain
Evil Humans
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devasque
Sergeant
874 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 12:55 PM |
| | I could go with a Gnoll Cleric or Ranger type. That bow wielding one we got in Archfiends was just sculpted horribly. Gnolls are always a handy monster type to include (just like orcs/goblins etc). | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6622 Posts
| | 02/10/2006 1:06 PM |
| I think it's interesting that I'm not sick of elves yet, but am sick of Dwarves, Drow and Orcs. I wonder if that's because Elves are generally interchangeable with humans. The Drow could be too, if they weren't so particular.
I'd like to see more of the following, in order... with spell casters (obviously not in the common slots).
Bugbears
Gnolls
Hobgoblins
Kua-Toa
Sahuagin
Goblins
Kobolds
Lizardfolk
Minotaurs
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