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02/14/2006 3:04 PM  
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Originally posted by elaphe_mo

didn't mean to come off as judgemental, just surprised. I'm just as disturbed that so many wives seem stereotypical and spend their discretionary money on shoes and clothes. Give this girl minis and RPG books any day! [:D]



I guess I am just abnormal. I own like 4 pairs of shoes (sneakers, 2 pairs of sandles (one sport and one normal, and one pair of dress shoes). Clothes, blah, who has time to dress up. I guess I just spend my money on the kids!

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02/14/2006 3:06 PM  
I hope when if/when I get married I don't have these same issues with my SO about my purchases. [:p]

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02/14/2006 3:14 PM  
Well, this topic almost made me less depressed I have no girlfriend right now... [:(]

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02/14/2006 3:15 PM  
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I hope when if/when I get married I don't have these same issues with my SO about my purchases. [:p]

Don't worry, you will.

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02/14/2006 4:02 PM  
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Still single, so my money is mine to spend however I want. My GF seems half way interested in D&D and DDM--so hopefully that will continue, although she has only ever seen my minis that I brought to Cincinnati with me over the summer--this weekend will be the first time she will see my whole collection.

It's funny what we do with our respective others. Mine has one time shown interest in D&D and I did my best to squash any interest she might have. It worked and I think my life is honestly better for it.

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02/14/2006 4:03 PM  
Still single, so my money is mine to spend however I want. My GF seems half way interested in D&D and DDM--so hopefully that will continue, although she has only ever seen my minis that I brought to Cincinnati with me over the summer--this weekend will be the first time she will see my whole collection.

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02/14/2006 4:25 PM  
I still think back to my first 3 boosters of Harbinger I bought. I didn't really like them and threw them out. Crappy looking minis. All bent and stuff. Bad painting, etc.

THREW THEM OUT...

But now, I wish I hadn't. But that's another subject.

My wife accepts the tackleboxes full of MINIS. In fact, she even bought me another tacklebox for Valentines day!

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02/14/2006 4:47 PM  
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didn't mean to come off as judgemental, just surprised. I'm just as disturbed that so many wives seem stereotypical and spend their discretionary money on shoes and clothes. Give this girl minis and RPG books any day! [:D]


I second that. ;p In fact, I desperatly need to look for a pair of new shoes (everyone is telling me to throw away the pair I always wear).. but I keep getting distracted by buying minis, books or other unnecessary stuff. So much more interesting. ;)

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02/14/2006 5:05 PM  
I haven't read all the replies to this thread - this time, but mental cruelty inflicted by one's spouse due to an addiction has been discussed before.
My wife refers to my lovely plastic painted miniatures as "crappies" and constantly berates me about the temporal black hole they create in my life.
I keep reminding her that I am an old man and am no longer able to devote myself to the sporting activities that occupied my youth. I guess I am becoming a geek.
I don't smoke, or drink, and I gave up sex a while back - yes I am that old. My doctor said give up golf because I was getting skin cancers; now he wants me to start playing golf, because at my age he's more concerned about me dying of heart disease because of my inactivity. I cannot get a doctor's certificate to play D&D - damn him.
I actually know to the cent how much I have spent on my D&D collection. I am anal enough to keep a spreadsheet that began with my first case of Harbinger. My wife saw that number and proceeded to carry on a conversation that would make a sailor blush. I then showed her the "market value" of said figures (thanks to Zenako). Her response was "sell them". I said I'd rather be buried with them. You don't want to know what her reply was.
This conversation happened in 2004, and I bribed her compliance with a trip to Europe. She knows several sets have come out since then, and another set is coming along, and heaven help me when she sees the latest value of my D&D investment. I'm thinking it'll be Spain and Portugal later this year.
If I wanted to be argumentative, I could remind her that her best friend spends twice as much on cigarettes as I do on minis, and her best friend gets nowhere near the aggravation I do. It's all part of being married. If you've been married a loooooong time, little arguments are a good way to keep the conversation going.

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02/14/2006 5:16 PM  
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Originally posted by Mrs. Rune

quote:
Originally posted by elaphe_mo

didn't mean to come off as judgemental, just surprised. I'm just as disturbed that so many wives seem stereotypical and spend their discretionary money on shoes and clothes. Give this girl minis and RPG books any day! [:D]



I guess I am just abnormal. I own like 4 pairs of shoes (sneakers, 2 pairs of sandles (one sport and one normal, and one pair of dress shoes). Clothes, blah, who has time to dress up. I guess I just spend my money on the kids!



Thats where most of my money goes :/ [edit: kids that is not shoes]
My one main luxury is DDM and I use them a lot, and will get a lot of use for years to come.

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02/14/2006 6:07 PM  
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by elaphe_mo

didn't mean to come off as judgemental, just surprised. I'm just as disturbed that so many wives seem stereotypical and spend their discretionary money on shoes and clothes. Give this girl minis and RPG books any day! [:D]



I guess I am just abnormal. I own like 4 pairs of shoes (sneakers, 2 pairs of sandles (one sport and one normal, and one pair of dress shoes). Clothes, blah, who has time to dress up. I guess I just spend my money on the kids!



That includes Runelord as one of the "kids," right? [}:)][)]

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02/14/2006 7:04 PM  
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I don't smoke, or drink, and I gave up sex a while back - yes I am that old.


Sir, I'd like to be in your will if you're that old. You gotta be on the verge of kickin'.

If you're THAT old, you should try group sex.... You, the wife and two young orderlies to keep shaking the bed.[:p]

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02/14/2006 8:14 PM  
Wife bugs me to stop spending on boosters, cases, and e-bay auctions. Then ask's where are all the mini's I've collecting. Want's to know exactly what figures there are and how much there worth so that she can get fair value for them after I kick the bucket. A little pre mature I think. When I take her to show and tell, she quickly looses interest and heads over to her scrap booking table.

DDM and D&D are my only 2 "bad" habits. She has her scrap booking, sewing, and a few other hobbies. I have mine. As long as we spend time together (took her and kids to nice dinner tonight for V-day), spend time with kids, get my share of work around house done, and we both spend our weekly mad money on what we want, no problems.

I feel for you Ack.

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02/14/2006 8:41 PM  
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quote:
Originally posted by Mrs. Rune

quote:
Originally posted by elaphe_mo

didn't mean to come off as judgemental, just surprised. I'm just as disturbed that so many wives seem stereotypical and spend their discretionary money on shoes and clothes. Give this girl minis and RPG books any day! [:D]



I guess I am just abnormal. I own like 4 pairs of shoes (sneakers, 2 pairs of sandles (one sport and one normal, and one pair of dress shoes). Clothes, blah, who has time to dress up. I guess I just spend my money on the kids!



That includes Runelord as one of the "kids," right? [}:)][)]



Usually [}:)][)] I have still yet to figure out who he brought the galactic heroes for [:)]

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02/14/2006 8:46 PM  
My girlfriend only complains because I have a lot more disposable income than she does, and she gets a little jealous sometimes. I remind her that everyone's gotta have a hobby, this is mine. I halfway expect her to get into scrapbooking, and that's really when she'll understand. [:)]

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02/14/2006 9:19 PM  
Heheheh, I can relate to alot of things here... my wife is usually understanding, until its time to spend a few hours at a tournament. Then I have a 50-50 shot of making it out of the house alive! [:D]

Zoons - I have had the excercise machine discussion almost to the word. Well close anyway - It was worth a case at least and it doesn't even get used! Hilarious!

She has her scrapbooking, bead jewelry & fused glass, , and shopping/garage sale addictions... I have my games (DDM, D&D, Playstation, PC). but, somehow I end up paying more for her hobbies than mine..... and more time shopping thrift stores or waiting in the car.... and waiting..... and waiting... hmmmm.... how the heck did she do that... oh yeah, i remember now [:X] wily womanly charms, that and i kinda have to keep her happy, you know as an insurance policy so my minis do not get harmed or ebayed... she knows all too well well what they are worth [)]

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02/15/2006 12:22 AM  
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My wife is on the boards and is always asking me to get more minis.



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02/15/2006 12:46 AM  
I'm a cheep bastard by nature, but curiosity got the better of me a while back and I figured out what this hobby has cost me.

I WILL NEVER

DO THAT

AGAIN!


When my fiance finally asks me how much this is costing, and I have no doubt she will, I'll give her some rough figures and let her do the math under the condition that she not tell me the result. It'll be far less than some of you have spent, I'm sure. But just the same, I don't want to know.

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02/15/2006 12:55 AM  
I think this thread proves some of the worst conceptions of gamers. I'm not trying to call out anyone in particular but lying, hiding, and other shady buisness just to play games. Thats just sad.

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02/15/2006 1:19 AM  
Trust me, it goes both ways.

And this happens in MOST relationships--gamer or not. Some folks it's booze or smokes. Some folks it's gambling or strip clubs. Some folks it's clothes or electronics. Some folks it's ceramic figurines or little stuffed animals.

With us, it's plastic toys. No different, no better, and no worse than the rest of the world. Except that unlike the booze, clothes and most of the electronics folks, our toys will still be worth something in a couple years.

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02/15/2006 1:25 AM  
I guess im just lucky. I like the fact that the mini's are actually worth money and i can keep track of it daily (cause im anal i guess). But my wife has no interest at all in how much i have spent or how much they are worth. I tell her and she jsut doesnt care.

Only 2 things the wife ever says about my mini's. is that they take up too much room (and i have a way smaller collection then a lot of you) and that if i ever left her, cheat on her or beat her, she wouldnt sell them she would put them all in one big pile and melt them and leave the smoking remains for me to see.

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02/15/2006 3:44 AM  
yeah - when it changes from a discretionary purchase with some extra money lying around to a compulsive purchase.. thats when the serious talks have to start.

Right now Im in my "pokemon" phase (Gotta catch em all). it wont be so hard really... and I almost never use "house" money to buy minis (never from ebay.. once or twice from the FLGS for a sealed tourney or something). its all "my" money.. and Im gainfully employed. so.. um. yeah.

and I agree with the statement - its not being deceptive.. its more of a dont ask dont tell deal. if cornered, I will most assuredly come out and give a number..but the lil game is fun too.

PS: im a guy and I own 15ish pairs of shoes. sandals, dress shoes, "cool" shoes, boots, slippers.. all kinds of stuff. and lots and lots of clothes (for a non-metro guy).

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02/15/2006 10:22 AM  
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My wife accepts the tackleboxes full of MINIS. In fact, she even bought me another tacklebox for Valentines day!


My wife bought me a booster of Angelfire, for Valentines Day. I was totally surprised. As I said before she never nags me about buying them or gaming but she isn't in to it. In the past when I asked her to stop picked up a box she was like "I can't do that. I might get the wrong thing." So when she gave it to me I was like "Wow!" She said I figured you would like that better than anything else I would buy.
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02/15/2006 10:41 AM  
My wife asked me once, "Where is the money coming from that you are using to purchase these stupid toys?" Truthfully, I told her I was spending birthday/Christmas/tutoring/bus driving (I work at a boarding school) money and not one cent out of my paycheck. That was good enough for her.

Granted, she still thinks I'm an idiot for my (nearly) 30 year love affair with D&D. Only been in love with her for 22 years....[:D]

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02/15/2006 11:15 AM  
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and I agree with the statement - its not being deceptive.. its more of a dont ask dont tell deal. if cornered, I will most assuredly come out and give a number..but the lil game is fun too.



Not being forthcoming IS being deceptive. I think it's even in the definition. You hide something from someone you're not being forthcoming. Hiding something from someone is being deceptive... hmm, yep seems about the same to me.

If someone has to "corner" someone else to get information, someone that is supposed to have implicit trust in that person, then they're not very trustworthy IMO.


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02/15/2006 11:59 AM  
I understand the "Lie of omission" problem, but where do you draw the line between not volunteering information and strapping a sandwich board to yourself with

I bought more minis than you would have liked.

painted on the front?

It's not really being decietful if you know she'd be ok with it after she put it into perspective. You just try not to cause unnecessary duress in the releationship when possible. I don't want to hear about every little inconsequential thing that would irk me either.

Most of us are exadurating a little about getting killed if our SO's knew all the hairy details. But there would likely be some temporary grumpiness.

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02/15/2006 12:46 PM  
Well here is a little story of a man being lucky.

I used to play Warhammer Fantasy and 40K as well as a lot of other mini games. My wife when we first got married didn't understand the whole premise but really enjoyed talking with me as I was painting and even painted some herself. ( Great Skink painter ) I even bought her an undead army though she never played it.
I got hurt one day at work and am now unable to hold anything in my right hand so my painting stopped cold. Well for a almost a year she helped me paint and assemble some times but we couldn't keep up. So Warhammer went the way of many other hobbies.
Eventually I came across D&D mini's and bought a couple of packs when Deathknell was released. (Haven't looked back )

Now my wife nows how much I spend and what they are worth. To make matters worse she is more aggressive than I am on Ebay and always wants me to bid more. She doesn't play but does admire the pieces as I get them and has even come home with a booster sometimes.

Though I never thought of insuring the collection.

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02/15/2006 1:03 PM  
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and I agree with the statement - its not being deceptive.. its more of a dont ask dont tell deal. if cornered, I will most assuredly come out and give a number..but the lil game is fun too.



Not being forthcoming IS being deceptive. I think it's even in the definition. You hide something from someone you're not being forthcoming. Hiding something from someone is being deceptive... hmm, yep seems about the same to me.

If someone has to "corner" someone else to get information, someone that is supposed to have implicit trust in that person, then they're not very trustworthy IMO.




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02/15/2006 1:31 PM  
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and I agree with the statement - its not being deceptive.. its more of a dont ask dont tell deal. if cornered, I will most assuredly come out and give a number..but the lil game is fun too.



Not being forthcoming IS being deceptive. I think it's even in the definition. You hide something from someone you're not being forthcoming. Hiding something from someone is being deceptive... hmm, yep seems about the same to me.

If someone has to "corner" someone else to get information, someone that is supposed to have implicit trust in that person, then they're not very trustworthy IMO.




While what you say is true, not all lies are created equal. There are degrees of lying.



I live in a black and white kind of world when it comes to lying. A lie is a lie, period. Everything else is rationalization.

Wow, can't believe this thread has gone five pages and not been moved to off topic. Go Ack!

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02/15/2006 1:39 PM  
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Originally posted by Ack
and I agree with the statement - its not being deceptive.. its more of a dont ask dont tell deal. if cornered, I will most assuredly come out and give a number..but the lil game is fun too.



Not being forthcoming IS being deceptive. I think it's even in the definition. You hide something from someone you're not being forthcoming. Hiding something from someone is being deceptive... hmm, yep seems about the same to me.

If someone has to "corner" someone else to get information, someone that is supposed to have implicit trust in that person, then they're not very trustworthy IMO.




While what you say is true, not all lies are created equal. There are degrees of lying.



I live in a black and white kind of world when it comes to lying. A lie is a lie, period. Everything else is rationalization.

Wow, can't believe this thread has gone five pages and not been moved to off topic. Go Ack!



You are correct in an absolute sense. But, lying about who commited a murder that you witnessed and lying to A SO to save hurt feelings, are entirely different lies. IMO


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02/15/2006 2:08 PM  
Hence the term "little white lies".

In an absolute sense, a lie is a lie though, as Ghendar says. Didn't see God distinguish between the two when he made his laws. However, I don't remember him explaining in detail what would happen if Eve took the apple. Was this a lie of omission? I doubt it. Where do you draw that line then?

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02/15/2006 2:19 PM  
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Hence the term "little white lies".

In an absolute sense, a lie is a lie though, as Ghendar says. Didn't see God distinguish between the two when he made his laws. However, I don't remember him explaining in detail what would happen if Eve took the apple. Was this a lie of omission? I doubt it. Where do you draw that line then?



I think that Eve was told that there would be consequences, there was nothing omitted. There's a difference between telling someone something that you know that they would want to know, and "omitting" it until asked or cornered.

The law is also black and white, lawyers make it a grey area - and you know how everyone feels about lawyers... rhymes with liers...

"Little white lies" are usually used to make someone feel good about themselves, not to make them feel that you are untrustworthy. I think the "little white lies" in question are the ones that are used to keep you out of trouble, at the expense of someone's trust, I'd propose that those are even dirtier and should be named "little grey lies". [)]


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02/15/2006 2:24 PM  
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You are correct in an absolute sense. But, lying about who commited a murder that you witnessed and lying to A SO to save hurt feelings, are entirely different lies. IMO


That's a good point. So, in case my wife is reading: Baby, I'm sorry I haven't told you about all the boosters of miniatures I've bought. Also, I'm sorry that I lied to you (and the cops) about who commited all those murders I saw. It wasn't really your mom. I feel terrible about the whole thing!

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02/15/2006 2:27 PM  
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Originally posted by A Can of the Cave Beer

Trust me, it goes both ways.

And this happens in MOST relationships--gamer or not. Some folks it's booze or smokes. Some folks it's gambling or strip clubs. Some folks it's clothes or electronics. Some folks it's ceramic figurines or little stuffed animals.

With us, it's plastic toys. No different, no better, and no worse than the rest of the world. Except that unlike the booze, clothes and most of the electronics folks, our toys will still be worth something in a couple years.



Wow ive got most of that list! go booze, gambling, strip clubs, and minis!

Im out- find me on Hordelings if you want to chat.

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02/15/2006 2:34 PM  
Lets say I dont "lie".. lets call it "spin".
"That blouse looks really hideous! and have you been putting on weight?!" is a true statement (in this example).
"eh.. im not sure I like that blouse" is also true. according to greyhaze, Im susposed to say that i hate that blouse AND that she is getting a bit chunky. Because anything less than that is a lie of ommision.

lets be realistic here. Im not lying to anyone on this - Im not committing a lie of omission. Im being evasive. that isnt the same in your black and white world view.
"how much do you spend on this hobby?"
"less than I would be spending on golf!"
"seriously.. how much"
"I havent added it all up.. but alot"
No lie. No ommission (I really dont know how much Ive spent.. I REALLY dont want to know either).

You have your morality, I have mine. lets please try to not include any religious references into this conversation and keep it friendly.

And specifically.. she is recommending several hundred dollars in storage / display solutions.. she's aware it isnt cheap. and since I sold my magic cards yesterday and still trying to ditch my 40k Orcs..

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02/15/2006 3:03 PM  
I'd layoff the attacks... If your into attacks and betating people for the things they say (type) and do, then feel free to go back to the WotC boards.

All my figs are bought using MY money (Christmas, birthday, Ebay, etc.). Likewise, my wife's hobby (Shoes, and "bags') come (for the most part) from her personal money as well.

We both look at each other like the other is crazy, for me when I rip open a case and spared the figures all over the floor, or when my kids are going through and commenting about how "The Quoatl is my favorite figure".

Likewise, when my wife comes home with her new purse and 5th pair of brown shoes, I just scratch my head, and go back to sorting my plasti-crack!

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02/15/2006 3:34 PM  
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable

Wow ive got most of that list! go booze, gambling, strip clubs, and minis!



Heh. So a few months ago, my baby brother went and got himself married. I went to his bachelor party, and got dragged along to the strip club afterwards with his friends. Luckily, my wife didn't have to worry about anything - I had already spent any money I might've thought about spending on a lapdance on a new D&D book that day. I love being a nerd. :)

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02/15/2006 3:35 PM  
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Originally posted by Ack

Lets say I dont "lie".. lets call it "spin".




Just to clarify, I'm not trying to debate the morality of lying. I'm not here to say it's right or wrong. Lord knows I've done it on occasion.

Don't want to give anyone the impression that I've never lied.

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02/15/2006 3:46 PM  
PatEllis - were those comments directed at me? if so, I think you misread me rather severely. I am trying to direct this away from a serious debate of moral values and religion and more towards male masturbation.

Everyone does it. Those who say they dont arent kidding anyone.

Same goes with being "completely" honest with anyone (including yourself). the only thing that brings is pain and loneliness. Sometimes you lie for the greater good. Sometimes you lie so you might get laid tonite. Sometimes you lie a little cause its easier than telling the truth.

Now if everyone will just agree with me, the discussion will be far more productive.

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02/15/2006 4:10 PM  
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Originally posted by Ack

Lets say I dont "lie".. lets call it "spin".
"That blouse looks really hideous! and have you been putting on weight?!" is a true statement (in this example).
"eh.. im not sure I like that blouse" is also true. according to greyhaze, Im susposed to say that i hate that blouse AND that she is getting a bit chunky. Because anything less than that is a lie of ommision.


Hmm, that's a bit of hyperbole... I never said that everything should be spilled, especially something that is unwanted. When it is something that you know your SO would want to know, you should be straight up (and although I'm using the word "you" I mean this in regards to my own lifestyle).

I allow myself to use tact when being honest, keeps me out of the dog house. ΖD]

Spinning, omitting and denying are all deceitful IMO. Spin-doctors are not exactly held in high honour either. [)]

I'm sure the attack comment was directed at me. Was this tonned down enough?


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