orcmonk220
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| | The Cleric of Kord hasn't got any Turn Undead abilities. I just thing it's odd, as I thought all good clerics had it. | |
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monster_slayer
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| | 02/15/2006 8:59 AM |
| | I guess he just wants to bash them to undeath. | |
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Sean-Khan
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Richard II
Commander
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| | 02/15/2006 10:21 AM |
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Originally posted by Sean-Khan
She's a half-orc, and has charisma penalties, so she would be bad in turning undead. Her rpg -card says ability is at -1, where Cleric of Yondalla's is at +2 and she has turn undead 2. I guess RPG bonuses are related to skirmish abilities here, too.
The cleric of kord is also not a full cleric. I think it's got a level or two of barbarian. | |
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Ghendar
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| | 02/15/2006 10:28 AM |
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Originally posted by monster_slayer
I guess he just wants to bash them to undeath.
They're already undead so he's going to bash them to......um, let's see............uh, more death[?] | |
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Orion72
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| | 02/15/2006 11:03 AM |
| Anyone find it odd that the Cleric of Moradin is the only non-Commander cleric? That's always kinda bugged.
Of course, now we're getting a Warpriest and The Dwarf himself, so all is well.
Back on topic... nine times out of ten, it's easier to just bash a level 1 or 2 undead than try to turn it anyway. Turning used to be a big thing for clerics, has it become this weak in RPG or did they just water it down for skirmish? | | | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
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| | 02/15/2006 11:06 AM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
They're already undead so he's going to bash them to......um, let's see............uh, more death[?]
I believe the technical term is "dead-dead".
Scenario, most pcs go through when fighting undead:
Character one, "Is it dead?"
Character two, "Well, it was dead to begin with..."
Character one, "But you killed it right?"
Character two, "Yah, it ain't moving anymore..."
Character one, "So it gonna get back up?"
Character two, "Nope, made sure of that."
Character one, "So, it's dead-dead right?"
Character two, "Sounds about right."
See, dead-dead. Very technical. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
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| | 02/15/2006 11:41 AM |
| | I always called it "re-dead". | | | |
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Narethkraag
Sergeant
848 Posts
| | 02/15/2006 11:56 AM |
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Originally posted by monster_slayer
I guess he just wants to bash them to undeath.
knowing Kord's love for bashing, slicing and mauling you are probably right........ΖD][:D] | |
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zenthrus
Commander
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SLC, UT
| | 02/15/2006 12:04 PM |
| It's more entertaining to just pop skeleton heads off rather than using fancy-schmancy turn undead abilities [:D]
Turn Undead in RPG is substantially better than Turn Undead in Skirmish. The cleric of Kord just isn't good at turning undead so the focus is on something else. | |
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Wish
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| | 02/15/2006 12:25 PM |
| As far as RPG is concerned, undead turning has become a specialization. If you want to be good at it, you can blow up hordes of undead, but that takes an investment of resources and certain character builds. For most clerics it's just an afterthought, maybe useful for blowing up zombie or skeleton cannon fodder and not much else.
But, compared to skirmish, it is more useful. It affects more than a single target, and something like the cleric of Lathander would regularly be destroying 2 or 3 undead, rather than forcing one to take a morale save. | | | |
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roonechr
Sergeant
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| | 02/15/2006 12:57 PM |
| | In RPG Turn Undead also has the annoying effect of causing any but the weakest undead to run away (like in skirmish) as opposed to being destroyed. This usually means that now you have to chase the things down, often into unexplored territory that might be teeming with other monsters. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
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| | 02/15/2006 2:09 PM |
| | Grinding the bones or breaking them in small enough pices with a blungeoning weapon should be enough to have the "destroyed", unless they changed how undeads work after seeing the T-1000 in action [:o)] | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
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| | 02/15/2006 2:19 PM |
| | I do quite annoyed by the Cleric = Commander thing. We have two who arent though (Eberk and Cleric of Moradin) | |
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dariustad
Warlord
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| | 02/15/2006 4:42 PM |
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
I do quite annoyed by the Cleric = Commander thing. We have two who arent though (Eberk and Cleric of Moradin)
No joke! Not everyone is a commander. I've played clerics that were leaders and followers. However, any character can be a leader and a follower in any given party. It all depends on the situation.
Personally, I'd love to see an LG cleric (non-leader), even unique, that actually used a spell like righteous might, divine might, and power attack. Give LG a cleric that represents the real strength of clerics, not the semi-paltry crap they keep getting! Heal the party, and hurt the enemy! | |
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synecdoche
Warrior
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| | 02/15/2006 4:51 PM |
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
I do quite annoyed by the Cleric = Commander thing. We have two who arent though (Eberk and Cleric of Moradin)
Jozan too. | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
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| | 02/15/2006 4:59 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by dariustad
quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
I do quite annoyed by the Cleric = Commander thing. We have two who arent though (Eberk and Cleric of Moradin)
No joke! Not everyone is a commander. I've played clerics that were leaders and followers. However, any character can be a leader and a follower in any given party. It all depends on the situation.
Personally, I'd love to see an LG cleric (non-leader), even unique, that actually used a spell like righteous might, divine might, and power attack. Give LG a cleric that represents the real strength of clerics, not the semi-paltry crap they keep getting! Heal the party, and hurt the enemy!
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| | 02/15/2006 5:22 PM |
| | No not realy, I like the way Turning is streamlined in the new edition. | |
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Harneloot
Sergeant
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| | 02/15/2006 5:25 PM |
| | Anyone else prefer (or even still use) the old 1st edition Turn Undead table in their 3.5 game? | |
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Harneloot
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| | 02/15/2006 9:39 PM |
| | STREAMLINED??? | |
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zenthrus
Commander
4834 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/15/2006 10:02 PM |
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Originally posted by Harneloot
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