Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
    
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| Now that we know there are more commons that we thought(16 not 12), I've got a few predictions:
Hobgoblin with heavy armor, shield and mace/morningstar
(the hobgoblin clerics from Red Hand of Doom)
Kuo-Toa Whip with adhesive shield
Fleshraker dinosaur from Monster Manual III
A generic human trooper with longspear and studded leather
Gnoll caster-type, probably Warlock or Adept
A human archer/ranger type
We'll see whether I'm right or not in a few days... | |
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ktatroe
Sergeant
577 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 12:58 AM |
| My predictions for those we haven't seen yet (culled from my full speculation list at http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/forums/postView.php?post_id=2474[/url]) are:
Blink Dog
Human Conscript
Sharn Patrol
Gnome Sorcerer
Krenshar
Gnoll Zombie
Thoqqua
Twig Blight
I'm willing to bet that I'm wrong more than I'm right, but I'd be pretty stoked if I got any one right. [:)]
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 1:11 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by ktatroe
My predictions for those we haven't seen yet (culled from my full speculation list at http://www.hordelings.com/frontend/forums/postView.php?post_id=2474[/url]) are:
Blink Dog
Human Conscript
Sharn Patrol
Gnome Sorcerer
Krenshar
Gnoll Zombie
Thoqqua
Twig Blight
I'm willing to bet that I'm wrong more than I'm right, but I'd be pretty stoked if I got any one right. [:)]
Thats a solid list. Id put a good bet on Krenshar and Twig Blight. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 02/22/2006 1:25 AM |
| A common Blink Dog, Twig Blight, Thoqqua, and Krenshar would make War Drums the best set yet (possibly ever although I'm reserving judgement to see what comes packaged with the almighty Stirge).
Let's hope you're right.
A Hobgoblin Adept would be sweet but I'd expect to see him as an uncommon/rare commander.
I can only say PLEASE no more human ranger/archer types (the Steelheart is sufficient for this set, thanks). | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/22/2006 1:44 AM |
| I predict we'll see:
2 more cheap commons (in addition to skeletal legionnaire and hunting cougar) - 5 points or less
4 more mid priced commons (in addition to Derro, Quaggoth Slave, Arcanix Guard, & Goblin Blackblade) - these guys could be anywhere from ~6 to ~18 points
2 more expensive commons (in addition to our fixed commons, the orc mauler and wood elf ranger) - these guys should be around 18 to 30 points.
The figures I'd love to see:
blink dog
orc bowman
dwarven polearmsman
monstrous centipede
locathah barbarian
darkmantle
shadow
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Gristlemane
Sergeant
623 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 1:53 AM |
| I doubt they will make them but Manes, Larvae, Tasloi, giant beatles, monstrous scorpions, and Gibberlings would be cool.
I would love uncommon krenshars and blink dogs, but commons would give us to many of them. | |
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devasque
Sergeant
874 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 2:00 AM |
| Ok, I'll ask the dumb question. Where did we get info that there would be 16 commons? I get laxidasical and miss something...
Edit: Thanks maijstral [:)] | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 2:08 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by devasque
Ok, I'll ask the dumb question. Where did we get info that there would be 16 commons? I get laxidasical and miss something...
Shoe himself told us in the 'wardrums breakdown on rarity' thread.
quote:
War Drums is a starter set, and to increase diversity of commons that you might pull out of a starter box, there are more commons in the set than would be in a standard expansion set.
Our desired distribution is 24r, 24uc, 12c in an expansion set. (used in Deathknell, Angelfire, and Underdark)
In this starter set, the number of commons is increased to 16, while the number of uncommons and rares are 21 and 23, respectively. This is the same distro as Aberrations, and was inferred in the War Drums Previews series when those articles indicated that there were only 7 uncommon commanders.
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Ackrus
Warrior
282 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 2:19 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kunimatyu
Now that we know there are more commons that we thought(16 not 12), I've got a few predictions:
Hobgoblin with heavy armor, shield and mace/morningstar
(the hobgoblin clerics from Red Hand of Doom)
Kuo-Toa Whip with adhesive shield
Fleshraker dinosaur from Monster Manual III
A generic human trooper with longspear and studded leather
Gnoll caster-type, probably Warlock or Adept
A human archer/ranger type
We'll see whether I'm right or not in a few days...
I agree with everything except generic human, maybe a helmet bearer hobgoblin kind of like Warhammer to give a luck bonus to your warband. | |
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devasque
Sergeant
874 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 2:51 AM |
| Well jumping in with fresh predictions since we'll have more common slots (just scouring MM1 for low CR canidates)...
Blink Dog (solid contender)CR2
Cockatrice CR3 (its small but good choice)
Darkmantle CR1
Doppelganger CR3 (would be cool but not likely)
Wyrmling(dragon) CR3 (another cool but no way)
Dryad CR3
Giant Eagle CR3 (large size so not likely)
Ethereal Marauder CR3
Gnoll (w/class levels) CR12or3
Goblin (w/class levels) CR12or2
Hippogriff (would do backflips but I think they'd make it a rare like griffon/pegasus) CR2
Hobgoblin (w/class levels) CR1/2or3
Homunculus CR1 (tiny but come on!)
Howler CR3
Krenshar CR1
Kuo-toa CR2 (w/class levels CR3or4)
Lizardfolk CR1
Locathah CR1/2
Mephit CR3 (small but I think you'd have folks cry for joy)
Ogre CR3 (hey it could happen)
Orc CR1/2 (most likely w/ a new name or a few class levels)
Owl,Giant CR3
Planetouched (Aasimar? as we've got a Tiefling) CR1/2
Pseudodragon (another tiny but see Mephit)
Rust Monster CR3 (cool but likely w/ a higher rarity)
Sahuagin CR2 (had one in Aberrations why not)
Shadow CR3
Shocker Lizard CR2
Skeleton CR12or3 (good chance)
Skum CR2
Stirge CR1/2
Swarm CR2or3
Troglodyte CR1
Worg CR2
Yeth Hound CR3
Zombie CR12or3
And that's not counting the various basic races or classes we might see (human/elf/dwarf etc)
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 4:22 AM |
| | A common Gnome, similar to the Halfling Sneak would be nice. | |
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Dimitris
Warrior
197 Posts
Athens - Greece
| | 02/22/2006 4:49 AM |
| I would like to see:
a Hobgoblin, a Human soldier and a Human archer, a Gnoll. I think it is likely to see them.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 02/22/2006 5:04 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by maijstral
Shoe himself told us in the 'wardrums breakdown on rarity' thread.
quote:
War Drums is a starter set, and to increase diversity of commons that you might pull out of a starter box, there are more commons in the set than would be in a standard expansion set.
Our desired distribution is 24r, 24uc, 12c in an expansion set. (used in Deathknell, Angelfire, and Underdark)
In this starter set, the number of commons is increased to 16, while the number of uncommons and rares are 21 and 23, respectively. This is the same distro as Aberrations, and was inferred in the War Drums Previews series when those articles indicated that there were only 7 uncommon commanders.
Wow, that surprised me. It makes sense now why there are 7 uncommon commanders, as there will still be an uncommon commander in every booster. | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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Red Ranger
Sergeant
708 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 5:53 AM |
| 1. More commons in the set means they have to make less of each individual common.
2. There's still one more Giant-type creature in the set.
3. It's a starter set to get people into the game and keep the vet's happy with different versions of basics.
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for that Large Common Ogre I mentioned a while back. Hopefully they think like me! | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 6:06 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Red Ranger
Sounds like the perfect opportunity for that Large Common Ogre I mentioned a while back. Hopefully they think like me!
Wouldn't that be sweet!
Starter... Maybe that means less 'freaks'? When looking at Aberrations commons, they look like a great selection. Taer, Dekanter goblin & mongrelfolk were the freakiest ones - not very freaky. There was gnoll, a skeleton, elf warrior, dwarf warrior, goblin, barbarian, orc, myconid, kobold, an animal (dire weasel), evil soldier, good soldier(MaA!) and a celestial animal. | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 8:33 AM |
| I'd like to see a:
Shadow Mastiff
Howler
Kuo-Toa Whip
Gnoll of some type | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 8:45 AM |
| Stirge would have to be an uncommon; most likely a kuo-toa whip and any spellcaster type humanoid would fall under the uncommon slot as well.
I personally want to see more evil humanoids with bows/x-bows; the blink dogs would be great! The cockatrice was my called shot but falls under uncommon me thinks, if made.
Since this thread is about 'common' predictions I would have to go with an armored undead type. | |
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jooquase
Warrior
272 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 8:52 AM |
| | Anybody else think that the Man at arms, gnoll and Zombie might come back again for the 3rd starter set ?[?] | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 8:53 AM |
| | Oh, a thought: Goblin with a bow. I can't recall one | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 8:59 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by orcmonk220
Oh, a thought: Goblin with a bow. I can't recall one
We had one with an x-bow; another goblin with a range would be good tho [:D] | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 02/22/2006 9:28 AM |
| A common dwarf seems very likely, it's been a while since a set didn't include one. Gold Dwarf Soldier in Underdark, Dwarf Raider and Dwarf Mercenary in Angelfire, Skeletal Dwarf in Deathknell (I'll count it), and the Hill Dwarf Warrior in Aberrations.
As much as the dwarf haters will cringe I think we can count on a common dwarf. Personaly I love the dwarves. [:)] | | | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 9:32 AM |
| Just gonna take Devasque's list and expand upon it and go with the most likely.
Blink Dog (solid contender)CR2 Agreed, should be a common in this set.
Cockatrice CR3 (its small but good choice) Going with Glu here, uncommon if we get one at all
Darkmantle CR1
Doppelganger CR3 (would be cool but not likely)
Wyrmling(dragon) CR3 (another cool but no way)
Dryad CR3
Giant Eagle CR3 (large size so not likely) plus it has wings, the only winged common we have so far is the Protectar IIRC, wings are a hard sculpt apparently
Ethereal Marauder CR3
Gnoll (w/class levels) CR12or3 another good canidate
Goblin (w/class levels) CR12or2 already have three, I don't know why we'd see more...course after Deathknell dwarves, anythings possible
Hippogriff (would do backflips but I think they'd make it a rare like griffon/pegasus) CR2
Hobgoblin (w/class levels) CR1/2or3 with RHoD out, I see this as another strong possibility
Homunculus CR1 (tiny but come on!) already got a tiny
Howler CR3
Krenshar CR1
Kuo-toa CR2 (w/class levels CR3or4) absolutely needs to happen, but apparently the only things that live in the UD are dwarves and Drow [eyes]
Lizardfolk CR1
Locathah CR1/2
Mephit CR3 (small but I think you'd have folks cry for joy)
Ogre CR3 (hey it could happen)
Orc CR1/2 (most likely w/ a new name or a few class levels)
Owl,Giant CR3
Planetouched (Aasimar? as we've got a Tiefling) CR1/2 I would think a Genesai woud come first, but would be UC or Rare
Pseudodragon (another tiny but see Mephit)
Rust Monster CR3 (cool but likely w/ a higher rarity)
Sahuagin CR2 (had one in Aberrations why not)
Shadow CR3
Shocker Lizard CR2
Skeleton CR12or3 (good chance) legionaire not enough for you Dev [:P]
Skum CR2
Stirge CR1/2
Swarm CR2or3
Troglodyte CR1
Worg CR2 outside of a resculpt i dont see how they will make another but I would LOVE it
Yeth Hound CR3
Zombie CR12or3
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:11 AM |
| 16 Commons:
So far we gots: armored human (assuming Arc Gd is Common), elf, animal, goblin, skellie, orc, Quaggoth, and Derro.
I'm hoping for (but not betting on):
Dwarf (spear or poleaxe rather than axe or hammer)
Gnoll variant
Zombie variant
Orc archer
Hobgoblin variant
Lizardfolk variant
Evil human (the more generic, the better)
"Bronze" Draconian (forgot the exact name - Baaz was brass, Kapak was copper; the Sivak and Aurak will probably be Uncommon)
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/22/2006 10:12 AM |
| quote:
Stirge would have to be an uncommon;
Why? Seems like Stirge has common written all over it.
Shoe already apologied for stirges and said be patient. SO I doubt they will be in WD...But when they do make their entrance why not common.
Ever RPGer out there is gonna want at least 12. | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:13 AM |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:24 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
You are thinking of the Bozak
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I am humbled by the depth of your wisdom (or googling ability).
Y'know, everyone's gonna hate me for even saying this... but I wouldn't mind getting another Common Drow. Sure, we've had tons, but most are from older sets, and all but the Sting are Uncommon or Rare. Er, I guess it can wait a set or two. FLAME ON! | | | |
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by orcmonk220
I'd like to see a:
Shadow Mastiff
Howler
Kuo-Toa Whip
Gnoll of some type
a howler almost has to be an uncommon or even a rare due to the difficulty of the sculpt. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/22/2006 10:30 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by orcmonk220
I'd like to see a:
Shadow Mastiff
Howler
Kuo-Toa Whip
Gnoll of some type
a howler almost has to be an uncommon or even a rare due to the difficulty of the sculpt.
Not to mention the large size.
(they are large right?) | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Stirge would have to be an uncommon;
Why? Seems like Stirge has common written all over it.
all Tiny have been uncommons and if I recall correctly, they are tiny | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/22/2006 10:43 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glumag
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Stirge would have to be an uncommon;
Why? Seems like Stirge has common written all over it.
all Tiny have been uncommons and if I recall correctly, they are tiny
This is true but..
-We only have 3 tiny minis to base this on wich isnt much.
-WotC surprises us every once in a while like when we got our first small rare in Deathknell.
-All 3 tinys so far deserved to be uncommon from a "RPG # encountered" point of view.
I still say that on the glorious day we get Stirges they will be common. :) | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 02/22/2006 10:48 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glumag
...Why? Seems like Stirge has common written all over it.
all Tiny have been uncommons and if I recall correctly, they are tiny
[/quote]True. However, I think WotC might be holding off on these guys until they can do them as a quality common. I've felt the vibe every once in a while that made me think the Stirge was on the way, only to be cut in quality control ... | |
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ehren37
Sergeant
642 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:50 AM |
| I'm guessing the halfling slinger is a common as well. The arcanix guard, with a cost of 9 is almost a sure bet as well. Given that people irrationally hate warforged, I'm banking on wotc not making the warforged guard a common.
So, that leaves us with
1) Arcanix Guard (LG)
2) Halfling Slinger (CG)
3) Wood Elf Ranger (CG)
4) Hunting Cougar (CG/CE)
5) Goblin Blackblade (LE)
6) Skeletal Legionaire (LE/CE)
7) Derro (CE)
8) Orc Mauler (CE)
9) Quaggoth Slave (CE)
Pretty even mix, with LG getting fewer, which is standard since they tend to be relatively boring human types. My wild guesses are
10) Celestial Hound (LG) on the LG summon list
11) Human Conscript (LG/LE) just a guy in studded leather w a pike
12) Wererat Rogue (LE) the old one sucks, and they travel in packs
13) Sellsword (any) for synergy with the merc seargent
14) Twig Blight (CE) its been hinted at for a while
15) Medium Fiendish Monstrous Centipede (LE/CE) NE on the summon list
16) Shadow (CE) mostly amorphous, could double as a wraith, low CR, travel in groups
We still need some kind of ghoul and wight replacement (the old ones are terrible) so those are solid contenders as well. As much as Id like to see a kuoa-toa, suaghin, skum, pirate etc, I think we'll have to wait for an aquatic set (or a far reaches set, based off frostburn, stormwrack, and sandstorm) for stuff like that.
I seriously doubt any large commons will be in this set, so the common ogre is likely out. They havent done the chainmail equivalent for the ogre delver (ogre w 2 axes), so that might be an uncommon. | |
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ehren37
Sergeant
642 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 10:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
quote:
Originally posted by orcmonk220
I'd like to see a:
Shadow Mastiff
Howler
Kuo-Toa Whip
Gnoll of some type
a howler almost has to be an uncommon or even a rare due to the difficulty of the sculpt.
They are also large | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/22/2006 11:08 AM |
| quote:
10) Celestial Hound (LG) on the LG summon list
11) Human Conscript (LG/LE) just a guy in studded leather w a pike
12) Wererat Rogue (LE) the old one sucks, and they travel in packs
13) Sellsword (any) for synergy with the merc seargent
14) Twig Blight (CE) its been hinted at for a while
15) Medium Fiendish Monstrous Centipede (LE/CE) NE on the summon list
16) Shadow (CE) mostly amorphous, could double as a wraith, low CR, travel in groups
If thats the rest of the common list I would be REALLY happy.
But would still be annoyed that Mephits have been looked over AGAIN. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 11:19 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Originally posted by glumag
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Stirge would have to be an uncommon;
Why? Seems like Stirge has common written all over it.
all Tiny have been uncommons and if I recall correctly, they are tiny
This is true but..
-We only have 3 tiny minis to base this on wich isnt much.
-WotC surprises us every once in a while like when we got our first small rare in Deathknell.
-All 3 tinys so far deserved to be uncommon from a "RPG # encountered" point of view.
I still say that on the glorious day we get Stirges they will be common. :)
Your points are very valid and I really hope you are correct and I am wrong...however, just like it was said all Mounted miniatures would be Rare (difficulty to assemble, etc) the Tiny are a paint in the butt to paint so that alone might make them uncommon for good.
That reminds me...we have not seen the mounted miniature for this set yet, right? | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/22/2006 11:22 AM |
| quote:
That reminds me...we have not seen the mounted miniature for this set yet, right?
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 11:23 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
quote:
Originally posted by glumag
...Why? Seems like Stirge has common written all over it.
all Tiny have been uncommons and if I recall correctly, they are tiny
True. However, I think WotC might be holding off on these guys until they can do them as a quality common. I've felt the vibe every once in a while that made me think the Stirge was on the way, only to be cut in quality control ...
[/quote]your quote foo is bad [p]
Anyway, I think that a stirge low to the ground would be a bad look, it is a flying creature and it should be at least at elevated to waist level on a medium figure; a pole that it is sturdy and looks good on a tiny miniature could be a factor for delays since this is one that needs justice in the representation. Quality Control, as you said, could very well be 'the' factor for delays.
I still think it will be uncommon but hoping to be pleasently surprised. [:D] | |
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 02/22/2006 11:24 AM |
| | Snig, Worg Rider. :P | |
I am not gone. | |
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