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drowdude
Sergeant
424 Posts
    
 | | 02/28/2006 7:53 AM |
| I will be happy to see clear plastic in the minis. I agree that it would be bad if they go overboard, but they have been using clear plastic in SWM and they dont seem to have gone to excess.
Re: The Emperor's Force Lightning effect... It looks a little cheesy in the picture, but when I actually had it in hand all I thought was "This is cool."
The occasional spell effect when done right will be nice. Although I will concede that it would be better if they were removable, I dont think that is going to be viable at this small scale.
Hell I would absolutely love to see stand alone clear spell effects... like the Bigby's hands or a flaming sphere. | |
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fly60us
Skirmisher
2 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 8:01 AM |
| | lol who knows they might make an aspect of Lecistus wich would just be sorta funny if you ask me | |
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Cosworth
Warrior
215 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 8:11 AM |
| I'm for it and think the CRD's breathweapon looks great. So used carefully it's fine.
Just don't go overboard so that a booster will look like it has candy inside.
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 8:38 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
Its like when Hasbro ruined Star Wars action figures. I used to collect 2 of each. One in a package and one opened and displayed.
Around Episode 2 it went downhill. Hasbro "made SW figures" better but giving them a ton of articulation and giving them action features like spring loaded weapons, kicking action and lightsaber swinging action, severed arm action using magnets, clothing made or real cloth.
All this did was horribly ruin my favoroite collectibles of all time. I dont collect them anymore. I really dont want to see that happen again.
Star Wars actions figures are toys. For kids. So, if the kids demand action features, there will be action features. The collector market for those action figures is secondary, just as it is for Transformers and other nostalgia-driven "collectibles." Look at how the new MotU line failed miserably - the collectors loved them, but kids didn't. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 8:46 AM |
| | I don't mind it as long as its used sparingly. I dont want to see almost every figure have it or something like that. A few things here and there would be fine, like 1 in a set or so. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 9:37 AM |
| I don't think that WotC is going to go crazy and add in extra bits for spell effects or some crazy clear arms. They mentioned that the membrane of the wings of the CRD will be painted clear plastic, which would make it more translucent then transparent. The idea being that the membrane is stretched tight. I also think that if they did an elemental like the breath weapon of the CRD most people would love it. The fire looked fantastic.
As for the minis I would love to see a clear G-Cube with some floating items or maybe a skeleton in side it. | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 10:04 AM |
| | One of two minis a set with it in would be nice, but not unneccessarily. Let's not go crazy here, people.... | |
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monster_slayer
Warrior
331 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 10:38 AM |
| | I think there are places that clear or translucent plastic would look cool, but I agree that we don't need any cheesy weapons or spell effects in our minis. Though a G-Cube is an almost must be translucent. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 10:58 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
If clear plastic makes the price go up, then no.
Agreed. Even if it means not getting a clear g-cube (which seems to be the main argument for clear plastic). | |
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azuretide
Sergeant
407 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 11:00 AM |
| | I really like clear plastic look at the solonavi from mage knight beautiful pieces. I actually think that all water elementals should have been clear from the beginning but I can understand that they were still making sure that d&d minis had a strong market before they put clear plastic in. Some spell effects would look cool. Like a mage holding a fire orb or frost orb, psionics of course and weapons made of elemental propertied IE the sword of the helmed horrors would have looked cooler made from clear plastic. It's just another step up from what they had before. I also don't think that they will overdo it especially at the beginning probably only some rare figures will have it. Then if it goes over well maybe some uncommons probably never a common though. | |
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Jefftyjeffjeff
Warrior
214 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 11:03 AM |
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Originally posted by yack
I actually have 2 of the blue guys too use a Ice Paraelementals and too be honest they are snall for a meduim and crap. So please WOTC be careful with what you use as clear.
P.S. no spell effects![:p]
I have one of the clear frost minions, and I think it looks just fine. The picture doesn't do it justice. YMMV.
Obviously, I'm not in favor of cheesy-looking anything. (Except maybe cheese.) Alls I'm saying is, "cheesy" and "clear" don't have to be synonymous. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13109 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 02/28/2006 11:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by Vrecknidj
If clear plastic makes the price go up, then no.
Agreed. Even if it means not getting a clear g-cube (which seems to be the main argument for clear plastic).
How about a G-Cube with gas, then it could be opaque. [:p] | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 11:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
How about a G-Cube with gas, then it could be opaque. [:p]
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 12:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Jefftyjeffjeff
quote:
Originally posted by yack
I actually have 2 of the blue guys too use a Ice Paraelementals and too be honest they are snall for a meduim and crap. So please WOTC be careful with what you use as clear.
P.S. no spell effects![:p]
I have one of the clear frost minions, and I think it looks just fine. The picture doesn't do it justice. YMMV.
Obviously, I'm not in favor of cheesy-looking anything. (Except maybe cheese.) Alls I'm saying is, "cheesy" and "clear" don't have to be synonymous.
That is an excellent point! Cheesy and clear should not be used as the same concept. We could get some fantastic minis with some aspect of clear and they could look great. There seems to be a lot of focus on the negative side and we have not even seen the product of clear plastics in the DDM line. | |
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Okay McKay
Underboss
1070 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 12:27 PM |
| | We've got to have an Invisible Stalker someday... Unless we get an empty base with footprints on it, we're going to need the clear plastic. :) | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 12:29 PM |
| | I want to see [)] clear plastic in DDM, however I'd hate for it to be used excessively. Oozes, crystals, gems, incorporals and where it applies would rock but just dropping it in every other mini would become annoying. | |
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Narethkraag
Sergeant
848 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 12:34 PM |
| | I also feel that it should be used just when necessary, like the gelatinous cube or maybe some invisible creature, if done sparingly it becomes an other useful tool or option for better minis. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/28/2006 12:38 PM |
| So, let me get this straight. The arguments against clear plastic are:
- Clear plastic might lead to cheesy accoutremants on otherwise fine minis
- Clear elementals aren't needed because the current painted ones look fine
- Clear plastic minis will look bad if not done carefully
I'm sorry. I don't really see where you guys are coming from.
Instead of arguing against clear plastic, argue against cheesy spell effects/breath weapon effects, et. Some of the old chainmail miniatures came with added spell effects, in metal, no clear plastic needed. If they were painted badly, they looked cheesy. If they were painted well, they looked awesome.
And I don't personnally think the current painted air elementals look all that great. They're okay, but they could be done better, especially if clear plastic were used. If WotC wants to do a clear plastic water elemental, I think that's great. I don't really care if it makes the old elementals look ugly in comparison. Did you complain when they made a better Troll or Zombie?
As far as worrying about badly done clear plastic minis, WotC says they've been working on it for a while because they weren't satisfied that they had it right, yet. So let's see what they've got before we complain that clear plastic is screwing up our hobby. It might just be pretty sweet. | |
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jedijon
Sergeant
474 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 1:59 PM |
| Maybe it would come down to price point?
I don't really feel a need to give clear plastic the kind of attention that the fans of the substance do--I think there's a lot of hype here for something that's still going to be a pre-painted miniature.
My personal reason to hate clear plastics is that you'll never get just clear X. Clear gout of flame will come with a clear hand that's just painted over. My playing table is in front of a window--I used to love the Star Wars lightsaber effects, especially Shaak Ti.
Now I can only ever see her backlit with some chubby plastic fingers that I can totally see through, it's not a pretty effect.
Someone mentioned a Golem with 'gem eyes'. What you're going to get is a solid black plastic golem with a clear head over which paint is applied. It'll of course be the same color paint on the body and head, but the slightist backlighting will give your golem a glowing weird colored face.
Overly nit-picky and crazy--sure! I think that's where we're at with this though. No clear plastic for me, doesn't match my outfit. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 2:40 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise
If WotC wants to do a clear plastic water elemental, I think that's great. I don't really care if it makes the old elementals look ugly in comparison. Did you complain when they made a better Troll or Zombie?
Kind of different ideas between having 4 elementals all the same size, but 1 is clear plastic - that doesn't look like a set.
Improved Trolls or Zombies? They're not really a "set" within the "set" - if you know what I'm saying...
quote:
Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise
And I don't personnally think the current painted air elementals look all that great.
Also, I didn't mind the Large Air Elemental, it was no worse than the Lare Fire, Medium Fire, Medium Water, or Medium Air. The only goodin's were the Earth ones IMO. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/28/2006 5:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Jefftyjeffjeff
I'm with you insofar as I don't want clear plastic used for uglification. But if it improves the figure, of course I want it done.
Mage Knight did a lot of this stuff toward the end of its run. Some looked great, and some looked maybe not so great.
Compare the opaque frost minion: http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5919
to the clear one:
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5920
I think for frostiness, that's a good use.
On the other hand, a less inspired use is the oak mage.
Without clear plastic:
http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5953
and with: http://www.wizkidsgames.com/mageknight/figuregallery.asp?unitid=5954
Just because things are good the way they are is no reason not to try to improve them. Sure, you might fail. But it would sillier not to try.
Thanks for examples. Mmmm that frost minion looks good. Where as the oak mage is indeed pretty lame.
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 5:29 PM |
| I'm hoping to see some Gem Dragons with clear plastic in WotDQ.
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 02/28/2006 5:41 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by robbdaman
I'm hoping to see some Gem Dragons with clear plastic in WotDQ.
R~
Someone correct me if Im wrong...But a Gem Dragon should NOT be clear.
Their scales do shine and sparkle like precious gems...But they are not transparent.
Ok their scales may be...But they still have bones and organs and skin.
A gem dragon should just have shiny paintjobs like the Drow Riding lizard or the Shaugin Ranger repaint. | |
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roonechr
Sergeant
604 Posts
Kansas City, MO
| | 02/28/2006 5:53 PM |
| I agree with most of you that clear plastic is good, even necessary, for some things (Gelatinous Cube, Invisible Stalker, some Elementals) if done well. I also never want to see spell effects on minis, clear plastic or not, as they really limit a mini for RPG purposes. You want your mini to match your characters armor and weapon choices so why would you want it to have a spell you aren’t casting? We have too few arcane caster minis as it is without narrowing it further with spell effects.
Off topic, I can live without gem dragons. I really do not understand their appeal. They are tertiary monsters at best and until we have two of every size category of metallic and chromatic (and fang and shadow) I don’t want to see them taking up “dragon slots”. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 6:27 PM |
| | A Flaming Sphere mini would be a good transparent mini, and Living Spells in particular would look very good with clear plastic. I'm also going to go against the grain and say that a clear Water Elemental could be neat. I'd be happy with an opaque one, but clear could be cool as well. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 02/28/2006 8:18 PM |
| Some minis would look god w/ clear plastic, but I agree with the majority to not over-do it. I do think that if some of the clear minies were painted also would be nice. Kind of highlighted or shaded. For example, a while back somebody painted a Games Workshop Balrog from the LOTR mini. The mini was molded in clear orange plastic and then painted over. It was then drilled out and had a light in it so it would glow. Here is a pic of a painted one (the orange parts were unpainted and looked very nice):
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/lotr/catalog/encounters/battle_khazad_dum/front.htm | |
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qillan_dvra
Underboss
1588 Posts
Oztraylya
| | 02/28/2006 10:26 PM |
| I think a clear Large Water Elemental would be cool.
Especially if the is a small Nemo and Dory caught in the middle of it (TIC).
Personally I would love a clear Gelatinous Cube with perhaps a skeleton caught in limbo, perhaps hanging out of it, and a couple of small weapons in the middle. This would of course be a rare mini but I would still want 3+ of them. | |
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 02/28/2006 10:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
Kind of different ideas between having 4 elementals all the same size, but 1 is clear plastic - that doesn't look like a set.
Haven't they already screwed up the "set" by coming out with a new and improved large earth elemental? So what if we never have a "full set" of large paint-on-black-plastic elementals? I don't really see the problem, because if they do a clear plastic large water elemental and it works, at some point we'll get a clear plastic large air elemental, and the one we have now will end up collecting dust next to the original large earth elemental. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/28/2006 11:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by qillan_dvra
Personally I would love a clear Gelatinous Cube with perhaps a skeleton caught in limbo, perhaps hanging out of it, and a couple of small weapons in the middle. This would of course be a rare mini but I would still want 3+ of them.
Though that would be very very kewl, I would prefer just a sketelton, or dagger and have it as an uncommon. I want a few about the same ... ahh heck.. probably would be better as a rare.. doubt I need four. | |
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Wakalimasu
Sergeant
738 Posts
Calgary
| | 02/28/2006 11:52 PM |
| some sw minis with their clear plastic
close up of the emperor
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 03/01/2006 12:33 AM |
| And those really don't do much for me.
Clear plastic is for G-Cube and special exceptions only, IMO. It should not be used for the average spell effect.
Emporer Palpatine doesn't look bad, but a non-force lightning throwing pose would have been just as good. | |
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robbdaman
Underboss
2380 Posts
| | 03/01/2006 12:47 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
Originally posted by robbdaman
I'm hoping to see some Gem Dragons with clear plastic in WotDQ.
R~
Someone correct me if Im wrong...But a Gem Dragon should NOT be clear.
Their scales do shine and sparkle like precious gems...But they are not transparent.
Ok their scales may be...But they still have bones and organs and skin.
A gem dragon should just have shiny paintjobs like the Drow Riding lizard or the Shaugin Ranger repaint.
I think it'd look cool with some of the wings and scales being clear plastic so they are gem like. Which is how they're supposed to be. If you paint them over the clear plastic would be cool. I never said make them entirely clear. Sheesh, mini fascist.
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ehren37
Sergeant
642 Posts
| | 03/01/2006 12:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
IEven a G-Cube could be a pinted figure. Just paint it blueish white and have a vitim sticking out of it. Just a human from the shoulders-up with a look of horror on his face with one arm thrust out.
I hope not. I hated the ochre jelly sculpt because there was some random guy stuck in it. Looked silly when my party was fighting 2, and there were 2 extra people in the battle.
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Im just worried that once Clear Plastic becomes reality WotC is gonna get silly and use it all the time and it will get gimmicky. Clear swords that are supposed to be magicial. Clear spells shooting from fingertips. Fire comming out of dragon's mouths becomming a regular occurance. It would just be stupid.
Am I alone here?
I liked the emperor's lightning effect. I think a wash over the clear plastic would look better however. | |
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Almalik
Warrior
266 Posts
Vancouver-ish, Canada
| | 03/01/2006 12:47 PM |
| I didn't think the clear or partially clear Wizkids figures (Mageknight or heroclix) looked good at all. I would guess that the D&D people felt the same way, which is why it is taking them so long to come out with clear figures (or partially clear figures). While I am a little worried about the use (and possible abuse) of clear plastic with the figures, I do have faith that the Wizards team will put do a great job of it. I am already amazed at how much better the figures get every set.
Besides it would be the only way to do the Cube up right. | |
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