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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
    
 | | 03/12/2006 10:47 AM |
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Originally posted by glauron
These are like 20 cent pieces of painted plastic, and mass produced at that. I'm betting Da Vinci and Michaelangelo are not doing the paint job.
Compared to having to paint minis myself, I'll take whatever WotC throw at me.
Can that same logic can be applied to any product then? How about you go buy a gallon of milk and it is curdled, since you can't go and pull on the very udder of the cow yourself, should you just accept what they give you?
Being complacent to whatever a company 'throws' at you is a lemming mentality. No one expects a work of art but I don't want a painted turd and be contempt because it has the wotc logo on it.
Not expecting replacements on the minis because well, they can get away with that one and it would be then end of DDM if they would do a recall of that magnitude and I wouldn't want that, but the map should be recalled and replaced free of charge. | |
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Daniel_Tick
Warrior
220 Posts
| | 03/12/2006 10:53 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by robby
quote:
Originally posted by glauron
These are like 20 cent pieces of painted plastic, and mass produced at that. I'm betting Da Vinci and Michaelangelo are not doing the paint job.
Compared to having to paint minis myself, I'll take whatever WotC throw at me.
I've seen that excuse a lot, but I can't buy it. The last few sets were of a much higher quality (painting-wise) than War Drums. I'm not expecting the Sistine Chapel, I'm simply expecting them to maintain the level of quality they established.
And I think they failed in that regard.
Agreed!
I still think it's a great set, but the problem is that the quality dropped in every aspect: distribution, paint-job, organization, etc.
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 03/12/2006 2:49 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghallen
Delay release? Yeah, but I don't think that's gonna happen. Unpleasant bottom line: people will just keep buying plasticrack. We know it, they know it (at least to a certain extent). Until that changes...
Well, I'm not so sure that's true.
Many of us, even the hardcore addicts here at maxminis (myself included) will continue buying to some degree. Right now I have around 2,800 minis and don't really need to keep collecting for RPG purposes. However, I really like this stuff, and I do continue to enjoy the new and interesting sculpts they release. If for some reason the quality starts to diminish, I'll continue collecting for a time, but not at the level that I would if the quality remains high. If things just get worse and worse, well then I'll basically stop collecting entirely. | |
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 03/12/2006 4:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
If for some reason the quality starts to diminish, I'll continue collecting for a time, but not at the level that I would if the quality remains high. If things just get worse and worse, well then I'll basically stop collecting entirely.
And DDM would be dead. Wouldn't everyone stop buying if the quality dropped set after set? It just feels liek you're stating the obvious here.
War Drums wasn't thrilling me right from the start. The previews really didn't get me excited until the Chimera and even after that nothing grabbed my attention. It is too bad the set has poorer paint jobs than the last two sets but at least the Warforge haters don't have to miss out on much. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 03/12/2006 5:53 PM |
| | Well if the line still continues to take off, War Drums will sell really well anyways. Because of it being a Starter set, more ppl will be buying it. Thats just a fact. So I guess if WotDQ and Blood War grab interest and end up being neat, we can expect War Drums to do well despite having problems. | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/12/2006 11:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by griffrat
quote:
Originally posted by serithax
.....And to WOTC if you are reading and know the paint on DQ is subpar, please delay release and get it fixed. I really want this set above others to turn out right....
This is a good point, IMHO. I would much rather have the DQ set delayed by a couple of months and get really nice quality figs. A couple reasons jump out to me. One, nice quality figs are a better product. Two, this is a huge set and it is my experince that larger models amplify the mistakes made.
Thanks, Trevor K. For the non-canned response...it is appreciated greatly.
If I was a betting man, I'd say that the figures are already painted, and may already be in the plastic bags. They will most likely be boxed and shipped to this country by the end of the month. I would think that the main product will be in WotC's hands to send to distributors by June at the latest. Delaying is just not going to happen. | |
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serithax
Warrior
342 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 2:39 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
If I was a betting man, I'd say that the figures are already painted, and may already be in the plastic bags. They will most likely be boxed and shipped to this country by the end of the month. I would think that the main product will be in WotC's hands to send to distributors by June at the latest. Delaying is just not going to happen.
This is what I'm afraid will happen. Its not something that WOTC will be able to make up. Unless resculpts happen the Chimera, Large Bronze Dragon, and others are the only we will see. They failed to make them with any level of quality and because of it there is little hope of seeing such basic core creatures done correctly. This is what bothers me most... THIS is the Chimera and it is painted to like it came out of a bag at a TRU discount aisle.
If DQ has the same problems we may very well lose our one chance to see a decent Nightmare, Aspect of Tiamet, Dracolich, and others in the set. If this is the case, its not just something I'm not looking forward to, its something I just don't want to see done. I would take a delay on the set or the problem painted minis over seeing these iconic creatures lost to poor quality. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 2:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by serithax
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
If I was a betting man, I'd say that the figures are already painted, and may already be in the plastic bags. They will most likely be boxed and shipped to this country by the end of the month. I would think that the main product will be in WotC's hands to send to distributors by June at the latest. Delaying is just not going to happen.
This is what I'm afraid will happen. Its not something that WOTC will be able to make up. Unless resculpts happen the Chimera, Large Bronze Dragon, and others are the only we will see. They failed to make them with any level of quality and because of it there is little hope of seeing such basic core creatures done correctly. This is what bothers me most... THIS is the Chimera and it is painted to like it came out of a bag at a TRU discount aisle.
If DQ has the same problems we may very well lose our one chance to see a decent Nightmare, Aspect of Tiamet, Dracolich, and others in the set. If this is the case, its not just something I'm not looking forward to, its something I just don't want to see done. I would take a delay on the set or the problem painted minis over seeing these iconic creatures lost to poor quality.
Now that I finally have my chimera in hand, I don't have any disappointment to report.
I do have some minis I'm unhappy with, but my chimera looks great. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6648 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 9:12 AM |
| I find the Chimera is fine.
Something else to note. There is no longer just one type of Chimera as they all have different dragon heads. It is not improbable that in a few years we will see another. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2711 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 03/13/2006 10:08 AM |
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Originally posted by NotAnotherDrizztClone
Well here's my final rely to Wizards:
This email is in response to the email dated 03/09/2006 02:40 PM I received from Trevor K. First I would like to thank Trevor for taking the time to read my complaint and respond earnestly and not with a canned statement. Perhaps I am an optimist and put too much faith in Wizards but I believe that you guys will make sure the quality issues that plagued WarDrums will not be repeated. Although I am still unhappy with the overall quality of the set (and if you want to see some really compelling side-by-side comparison photos you should check out the message board) I understand that at this point there is nothing that can be done and we can only look to future sets. As for the Warduke mini I have, I would like to have that exchanged so if you could send me return information I will get him in the mail.
I know some of you will think this response was too soft and perhaps it is but if you understand the politics of the game and read between the lines I think it says everything that needed to be said in a closing email:
1. I thank them for answering personally, anything other than a canned statement is nice.
2. I state that I believe in Wizards which implies an intent to continue being a customer by purchasing their products
3. I reinforce the fact that there were problems with the WD set that needs to be fixed with future sets.
4. I point him to the comparison shots (and give you guys a discrete nod).
5. Finally I concede that there is nothing that can be done to fix WD and in so admitting show that we as a community are not unreasonable and again stress that this problem needs to be FIXED in future releases.
So if you look at it closely it's not as weak as it might first appear. Is it heated no, it is reserved and civilized and I think that is the best way to handle this sort of thing. I'd like to thank everyone who had weighed in on this issue, regardless if you stood with me or disagreed with me. I have been a not-too-vocal member of the maxminis community ever since the Harbinger launch and I look forward to perhaps taking a more active role in this community.
Sincerely,
NotAnotherDrizztClone
I think you handled the situation perfectly. I wouldn't have expected anything more from them in regards to their response. I actually didn't expect that much. Thanks for taking the time to mail them and for sharing it with the communuty. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 10:58 AM |
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If DQ has the same problems we may very well lose our one chance to see a decent Nightmare, Aspect of Tiamet, Dracolich, and others in the set. If this is the case, its not just something I'm not looking forward to, its something I just don't want to see done. I would take a delay on the set or the problem painted minis over seeing these iconic creatures lost to poor quality.
I hate to bring this up, but we might be seeing one other factor that I haven't yet seen addressed in WD. The budget for the set!
Many people raved over the sculpt and paint quality of Giants of Legend. This was a set that took a giant leap forward (generally) in paint quality, and interestingly enough, also hid the price increase of boosters from $9.99 to $12.99.
Now, we might be at the end of the price cycle of $12.99 boosters. The Chinese factory may have said to WotC, "we can hold our price firm for one more set, but we are going to cut out X number of paint steps to keep our costs static".
Now we have WotDQ coming out that will contain essentially one fewer figures. This means that there might be some hidden cost savings that seeing those missing paint steps reintroduced to the line.
We might be able to figure this out once we see more info on Blood Wars. If we get notice that there will only be 7 figures in a Blood War booster, we may have our answer.
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greyhaze
Warlord
6648 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
We might be able to figure this out once we see more info on Blood Wars. If we get notice that there will only be 7 figures in a Blood War booster, we may have our answer.
This sickens me to think of this possibility. | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:21 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by serithax
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
If I was a betting man, I'd say that the figures are already painted, and may already be in the plastic bags. They will most likely be boxed and shipped to this country by the end of the month. I would think that the main product will be in WotC's hands to send to distributors by June at the latest. Delaying is just not going to happen.
This is what I'm afraid will happen. Its not something that WOTC will be able to make up. Unless resculpts happen the Chimera, Large Bronze Dragon, and others are the only we will see. They failed to make them with any level of quality and because of it there is little hope of seeing such basic core creatures done correctly. This is what bothers me most... THIS is the Chimera and it is painted to like it came out of a bag at a TRU discount aisle.
If DQ has the same problems we may very well lose our one chance to see a decent Nightmare, Aspect of Tiamet, Dracolich, and others in the set. If this is the case, its not just something I'm not looking forward to, its something I just don't want to see done. I would take a delay on the set or the problem painted minis over seeing these iconic creatures lost to poor quality.
I'm a little confused, the Large Bronze and Chimera aren't that bad, and if anything they are a better quality then anything I might be able to do. My sculpting abilities don't exist and my painting is not Runelord's quality.
If you are a better sculpture and paint, then hats off to you, but I know I'm not so I think the quality is something that is beeter then my own. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:22 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
We might be able to figure this out once we see more info on Blood Wars. If we get notice that there will only be 7 figures in a Blood War booster, we may have our answer.
This sickens me to think of this possibility.
Sickens? Why is that? Do you really think that prices will never rise? Help me understand... Reducing the figure count, but keeping the price the same is not much different than a straight price increase.
We'll still get one rare per booster, but likely we will see fewer of the uncommons (which will again, help offset price increases from the large uncommons).
Sure I'm not "happy" about a price increase, but it has been 2 years since the price went up...
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1357 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:27 AM |
| | I'd rather not see a price increase, but given that minis are a petroleum based product, it makes sense that the cost of production has increased. | | | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
We might be able to figure this out once we see more info on Blood Wars. If we get notice that there will only be 7 figures in a Blood War booster, we may have our answer.
This sickens me to think of this possibility.
Well for me, if they pull and uncommon from the mix and can keep the price of the huge boosters to $19.95, I'd be happy. I think that I'd be more upset if they took a mini out AND raised the price. I'm not happy about the reduction or a price increase, but from a companies point of view, I can understand. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12318 Posts
The G Spot
| | 03/13/2006 11:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
quote:
If DQ has the same problems we may very well lose our one chance to see a decent Nightmare, Aspect of Tiamet, Dracolich, and others in the set. If this is the case, its not just something I'm not looking forward to, its something I just don't want to see done. I would take a delay on the set or the problem painted minis over seeing these iconic creatures lost to poor quality.
I hate to bring this up, but we might be seeing one other factor that I haven't yet seen addressed in WD. The budget for the set!
Many people raved over the sculpt and paint quality of Giants of Legend. This was a set that took a giant leap forward (generally) in paint quality, and interestingly enough, also hid the price increase of boosters from $9.99 to $12.99.
Now, we might be at the end of the price cycle of $12.99 boosters. The Chinese factory may have said to WotC, "we can hold our price firm for one more set, but we are going to cut out X number of paint steps to keep our costs static".
Now we have WotDQ coming out that will contain essentially one fewer figures. This means that there might be some hidden cost savings that seeing those missing paint steps reintroduced to the line.
We might be able to figure this out once we see more info on Blood Wars. If we get notice that there will only be 7 figures in a Blood War booster, we may have our answer.
Pat E
Hmm, I hadn't considered that. The 7 figure theory will not keep me from buying. However....................
A price increase will certainly spell the end of my fascination with this little hobby. I am not paying $14.99/booster. Actually, it might be $15.99. The previous price increase was from 9.99 to 12.99. Going from 12.99 to 15.99 would follow the pattern.
I really, really hope this isn't the case. [:(] | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
6648 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Sickens? Why is that? Do you really think that prices will never rise?
Yes, 2 years, oh dear, they should definately raise the prices again. Oh my, what was I thinking. These $0.25 pieces of plastic and $0.005 cards definately need a larger profit margin. And the big $$$ paint jobs too!
Look, I think these things are worth less than what we're currently paying for them. I feel that $9.99US was fine. We're paying for the name, and the fact that I'm currently paying for them means I sitll think they're worth it up to this point.
The idea that the price will increase again, ticks me off. That's my right.
Where you say it's already been 2yrs, I say it's ONLY been 2yrs since the last increase. I don't consistently get a raise every year, yet all of my bills increase - sure why not, it's a fair world.
So, yes, "sickens". | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12318 Posts
The G Spot
| | 03/13/2006 11:34 AM |
| I have to say I empathize with Greyhaze's frustration. I share it. As I said in the previous post, a price increase WILL spell the end for me.
I wonder if anyone (in a decision making capacity) is listening................................. | |
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G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:41 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Sickens? Why is that? Do you really think that prices will never rise?
Yes, 2 years, oh dear, they should definately raise the prices again. Oh my, what was I thinking. These $0.25 pieces of plastic and $0.005 cards definately need a larger profit margin. And the big $$$ paint jobs too!
Look, I think these things are worth less than what we're currently paying for them. I feel that $9.99US was fine. We're paying for the name, and the fact that I'm currently paying for them means I sitll think they're worth it up to this point.
The idea that the price will increase again, ticks me off. That's my right.
Where you say it's already been 2yrs, I say it's ONLY been 2yrs since the last increase. I don't consistently get a raise every year, yet all of my bills increase - sure why not, it's a fair world.
So, yes, "sickens".
Do you get this worked up over the price in gas going up $0.11 in two weeks, or over the price of milk or bread going up every month or so? Prices go up, that is part of how the world economy works, so unfortunately we are all going to have to deal with it. I would think that everyone in the world would love to see prices stay the same for ever, but how realistic is that. Prices will go up! You can blame it on the Chinese factories for wanting to pay their employees more, on the price of oil (which is used in plastics), or the corporation that wants to show a profit to it's shareholders, but to get "sick" over it and that worked up is not healthy.
As long as the product continues to move forward with minimal set backs (which yes I think so of the paint jobs are set bacsk in this set IMHO), the game will continue on. I would bet that for every one person who drops out another will join in. | |
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Idzy
Commander
3082 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 03/13/2006 11:45 AM |
| I could deal with a 7 figure booster, but only if they drop a common slot. To be honest the commons are way to common as it is and the uncommons are almost rares. (not so much with wardrums)
15.99 or even 14.99 would be too much per booster for me | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:48 AM |
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Originally posted by striderlotr
[quote]
Do you get this worked up over the price in gas going up $0.11 in two weeks, or over the price of milk or bread going up every month or so? Prices go up, that is part of how the world economy works, so unfortunately we are all going to have to deal with it. I would think that everyone in the world would love to see prices stay the same for ever, but how realistic is that. Prices will go up! You can blame it on the Chinese factories for wanting to pay their employees more, on the price of oil (which is used in plastics), or the corporation that wants to show a profit to it's shareholders, but to get "sick" over it and that worked up is not healthy.
As long as the product continues to move forward with minimal set backs (which yes I think so of the paint jobs are set bacsk in this set IMHO), the game will continue on. I would bet that for every one person who drops out another will join in.
Going from 9.99 to 12.99 to 14-15.99 in the space of a few years outstrips inflation and oil prices so fast it isn't even funny. A price increase past 12.99 simply isn't possible. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
12318 Posts
The G Spot
| | 03/13/2006 11:52 AM |
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Originally posted by striderlotr
I would bet that for every one person who drops out another will join in.
I'm not so sure about that Sean. I guess time will tell. Everybody has their price limit. Mine is $12.99.
Money gets stretched only so far. The increases in milk and gas cut into my minis budget. What gives? The minis or the gas? I can't run my car on minis even if they are a petroleum product. [)]
For myself, I've drawn a line in the sand and I will not cross it. If they increase the price they WILL lose me as a customer, at least at my current salary.
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G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
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greyhaze
Warlord
6648 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 11:53 AM |
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Originally posted by striderlotr
Do you get this worked up over the price in gas going up $0.11 in two weeks, or over the price of milk or bread going up every month or so?
No. Besides, these prices fluxuate. Once the price increases for these minis, it's permanent.
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
Prices go up, that is part of how the world economy works, so unfortunately we are all going to have to deal with it.
Wow, I'm glad you've resigned yourself to "dealing with it", I won't. My way of dealing with this kind of bull, will be to walk away. As the product developes over time, they find ways to improve and lessen their costs - not increase them! You think they will pass that savings on to us? No. They will continue to increase the prices and add on "features" to justify a price increase, but *fanboys will pay for it. (*not necessarily directed at you strider, I'm using the term as a generalization).
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
I would think that everyone in the world would love to see prices stay the same for ever, but how realistic is that.
Come on! Did I say FOREVER? I am being realistic, I'm just not going to rollover every year and "take my lumps".
You're right it's not healthy... I need my pills...
quote:
Originally posted by striderlotr
I would bet that for every one person who drops out another will join in.
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Ghendar
Warlord
12318 Posts
The G Spot
| | 03/13/2006 11:55 AM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
Going from 9.99 to 12.99 to 14-15.99 in the space of a few years outstrips inflation and oil prices so fast it isn't even funny. A price increase past 12.99 simply isn't possible.
Oh, it is possible. In fact, it will happen. It's just a matter of time. I only hope it's not going to happen with Blood Wars. | |
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Ghendar
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12318 Posts
The G Spot
| | 03/13/2006 11:59 AM |
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Originally posted by greyhaze
They will continue to increase the prices and add on "features" to justify a price increase, but *fanboys will pay for it. (*not necessarily directed at you strider, I'm using the term as a generalization).
Hmm, you mean something like justifying a $75 dollar mini by saying it has over 300 paint steps? Sounds good to me. Wow, what a deal. Where's my checkbook. [eyes] | |
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 12:16 PM |
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Originally posted by Pale Rider
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
If for some reason the quality starts to diminish, I'll continue collecting for a time, but not at the level that I would if the quality remains high. If things just get worse and worse, well then I'll basically stop collecting entirely.
And DDM would be dead. Wouldn't everyone stop buying if the quality dropped set after set? It just feels liek you're stating the obvious here.
Perhaps I overstated my position to the point of obviousness. Please allow me to attempt to clarify:
I continue to buy DDM because I'm impressed with the quality of figures from sets like Angelfire and Underdark. Despite the repeats of figures I already have good numbers of, such as the Duergar Champion and Loyal Earth Elemental, these new figures look great, even better than the originals (Duergar Warrior and Large Earth Elemental respectively). Therefore this increased quality keeps me buying.
A set or two in a row with similar quality to War Drums would be enough to push me down and eventually out of collecting despite my plasti-crack addiction. Things don't have to continue to get abysmally worse for this to happen. They just have to stay slightly below the par of previous sets. Sure I still pick up a few of the coolest figures, but my massive collecting days would be done.
If that's painfully obvious I apologize for wasting you time. Just putting in my 2 coppers. | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1066 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 12:18 PM |
| Hmmm... Sounds like Blood wars will be re-named Price Wars. Might feature the Gouger Behemoth.[:p]
Seriosly though. I think anything more than a $1 increase in the next year or two will sour the game for a lot of folks. It's expensive to keep up now. What with maps and pieces and books and magazines etc.... I'm already reduced to buying bulk instead of properly supporting my FLGS. Force too many people to go this route and there will be no FLGS' support. That will seriously crimp the growth of the game. | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 12:24 PM |
| | I'm disinterested in the prices of DDM going up. I've negotiated a deal with my FLGS on the price per case I spend, and would likely keep that same agreement if they were raised again. What would suffer IMO is the casual buyer who buys just a few boosters per set. They'll look at spending $2-4 more per booster and run IMO. | | | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 12:31 PM |
| A few things to think about:
with 3% inflation since the time of GoL, an inflation adjusted booster of Blood War would nearly be $13.99.
If you assume that an uncommon is twice as expensive to make as a common, and likewise, a rare is twice as expensive to make as an uncommon, you can break the costs of each figure in a boosters down as follows:
Commons: $.90
Uncommon: $1.80
Rare: $3.60
So, if they drop a common, they would still be making less profit than they did when GoL was released, if htey drop an uncommon, then for perhaps a year at that price point they will be making more.
It is of course a BIG question as to how you break down the costs of the various figures...
I don't think that after 2+ years a modification to the price structure (either a price increase, or fewer figures for $12.99) is out of bounds.
AGAIN: I'd rather see my plasticrack go back to $9.99, I don't want a price increase, but I can see the logic behind a change...
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alepulp
Underboss
1537 Posts
Manchester, England
| | 03/13/2006 12:35 PM |
| | I'd still like some consistency - but Drizzt and other minis makes the collection ownership part of DDM really satisfying. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 12:41 PM |
| In my opinion, the speculation on a price hike seems a little overblown at this time.
All we know about price changes is that we're getting 1 less figure in War of the Dragon Queen. However that increased cost is offset by a better distribution of huges (i.e. not piles of Bulletes, Nightwalkers and Fiendish T-rexes again). I'm willing to get 1 less figure per booster in exchange for more Huge Rares and fewer Huge Uncommons (shifting from 1:3 in GoL to 1:2 in WotDQ).
Whether they hike the price for Blood War and subsequent sets remains to be seen. At this point I doubt it will happen. The first price hike happened in the first year of the line when the kinks were still getting worked out of the process. We had a massive increase in quality of sculpts, paint jobs, and other features during that first year and WotC could justify the change as their buisness model developed in light of actual development, manufacturing and sales data. DDM is now a "mature" product and these factors should be well understood. They've managed to bring us new expansions at the $12.99 price with a stable 12/24/24 distribution for a number of sets now. I don't anticipate that changing anytime soon.
Sure prices (of everything) will increase one day in the future. It's pretty hard comparing DDM to energy costs though as it is a completely different industry and market. It's not like domestic suppliers are faced with huge and rapidly growning overseas markets in India and China for DDM with little excess supply available or even possible to produce, as is the current situation for fossil fuels. I just don't see a reason that prices would increase in the short-term future. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 1:03 PM |
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In my opinion, the speculation on a price hike seems a little overblown at this time.
Agreed: I was only trying to point out that increasing costs may be a factor in "why" some paint steps were ommitted from this set, and that the decrease in the number of figures (compard with GoL), may allow for those missing paint steps to make it back into the set for WotDQ. Howeer, a return to 8 figures, and $12.99 may see another problem pop up unless there is either a change in price, or the number of figures.
Tis only a theory...
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 1:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
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Originally posted by striderlotr
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Do you get this worked up over the price in gas going up $0.11 in two weeks, or over the price of milk or bread going up every month or so? Prices go up, that is part of how the world economy works, so unfortunately we are all going to have to deal with it. I would think that everyone in the world would love to see prices stay the same for ever, but how realistic is that. Prices will go up! You can blame it on the Chinese factories for wanting to pay their employees more, on the price of oil (which is used in plastics), or the corporation that wants to show a profit to it's shareholders, but to get "sick" over it and that worked up is not healthy.
As long as the product continues to move forward with minimal set backs (which yes I think so of the paint jobs are set bacsk in this set IMHO), the game will continue on. I would bet that for every one person who drops out another will join in.
Going from 9.99 to 12.99 to 14-15.99 in the space of a few years outstrips inflation and oil prices so fast it isn't even funny. A price increase past 12.99 simply isn't possible.
But d\idn't gas go from $1.30 to about $4.00 in one summer? | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 03/13/2006 1:27 PM |
| Thanks for sharing NADC.
I recently had a problem with Paypal with the same style of response which was really canned response that does nothing to address my complaint. After my experience with them I'm now officially a member of Paypalsucks.com/.org
I'm also looking into having my credit card company do a fraud investigation, in order to get my money back. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 1:36 PM |
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Originally posted by Ridureyu
But d\idn't gas go from $1.30 to about $4.00 in one summer?
Again, comparing minis to energy isn't a very accurate comparison. See my post above. | |
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striderlotr
Commander
3370 Posts
| | 03/13/2006 1:48 PM |
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Originally posted by Ridureyu
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
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Originally posted by striderlotr
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Do you get this worked up over the price in gas going up $0.11 in two weeks, or over the price of milk or bread going up every month or so? Prices go up, that is part of how the world economy works, so unfortunately we are all going to have to deal with it. I would think that everyone in the world would love to see prices stay the same for ever, but how realistic is that. Prices will go up! You can blame it on the Chinese factories for wanting to pay their employees more, on the price of oil (which is used in plastics), or the corporation that wants to show a profit to it's shareholders, but to get "sick" over it and that worked up is not healthy.
As long as the product continues to move forward with minimal set backs (which yes I think so of the paint jobs are set bacsk in this set IMHO), the game will continue on. I would bet that for every one person who drops out another will join in.
Going from 9.99 to 12.99 to 14-15.99 in the space of a few years outstrips inflation and oil prices so fast it isn't even funny. A price increase past 12.99 simply isn't possible.
But d\idn't gas go from $1.30 to about $4.00 in one summer?
That was my point. Sorry it seemed that I did not present it the right way. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 03/13/2006 1:54 PM |
| Price increase...Just great...Another cutting-edge decision by WoTc...
As for the difference in paint masters with what they really offered us, i truly hope the Icons do not suffer as badly as the Frost Dwarf, Chimera and Large BS Dragon... [xx(]
On the letter issue, I am unsatisfied with the response, they admit to making horrible mistakes but secretly laugh at us for buying it and these "steps" may just be invisible ones. Also, I think NADC was MUCH too nice in his last response and WoTc will think that we are "sold" to their products, no matter how horrible the quality is [:(!] | |
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