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07/02/2006 3:31 PM  
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The existence of the Skullsplitter Ogre makes me feel that it's a prestige class or something.



You mean the Skullcrusher Ogre?

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07/04/2006 3:26 PM  
Was the WotDQ prerelease a limited or epic game? It seems like it was an epic game (no sets are listed as usable for 500 pt limited), but that seems kinda weird.


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07/08/2006 11:25 AM  
Congrats on a high quality set. People are clammering for the figures that they have not yet pulled. I think that is a testament to how nice the figures turned out. Personally, I am still amazed at the detail on the Dracolich and Cadaver Collector. Both are amazing pieces...

I do have some questions regarding the distribution of the set. Would it be possible to get an article (or post) describing any intended/directed interdependencies between huge figures and rare figures in the distribution plan for WotDQ? If the interdependencies that we've seen were not intended, would it be possible for us to get some visibility into how (or if) WotC plans to address these issues in future expansions where there might be a possibility of repeated problems?

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07/08/2006 12:10 PM  
was wondering whether you will return to the 8 Large Uncommons per set in Bloodwar? There are only 2 in WotDQ, which was a bit of a dissapointment for me.

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07/08/2006 8:48 PM  
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Congrats on a high quality set. People are clammering for the figures that they have not yet pulled. I think that is a testament to how nice the figures turned out. Personally, I am still amazed at the detail on the Dracolich and Cadaver Collector. Both are amazing pieces...

I do have some questions regarding the distribution of the set. Would it be possible to get an article (or post) describing any intended/directed interdependencies between huge figures and rare figures in the distribution plan for WotDQ? If the interdependencies that we've seen were not intended, would it be possible for us to get some visibility into how (or if) WotC plans to address these issues in future expansions where there might be a possibility of repeated problems?

Thank you.


Thanks for the kind words.
No interdependencies were intended for cases or boosters - although I believe a couple of the Huges have cardboard inserts that wouldn't actually allow the Griffon Rider to appear in certain boosters (my own suspicion). Not sure if more information on the issue will be forthcoming, but we are aware of the issue (and I'm not particularly happy about it).

Regarding Large Uncommons in each set - We will continue to have Large uncommons - I don't remember offhand if we get up to 8 in a set in the near future. It's a good Gen Con question, though.

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07/08/2006 8:59 PM  
I wanted to chime in with a congratulations for the quality of the sculpts and paint for the WotDQ set, especially the Dracolich, but also the Large Green Dragon, Eldritch Giant, Cadaver Collector and Purple Worm (and some others). The distribution is a concern for future sets, though personally I lucked out because the multiple huge rares I got in my three cases (two had identical huge mini distribution, with identical duplication of certain rares matched to certain huges) happened to be the ones I wanted multiples of anyway. I'm looking forward to more information on Bloodwar from GenCon.


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07/09/2006 3:42 AM  
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Regarding Large Uncommons in each set - We will continue to have Large uncommons - I don't remember offhand if we get up to 8 in a set in the near future. It's a good Gen Con question, though.



cheers! someone who goes to Gencon, please ask?

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07/09/2006 6:38 PM  
Well...


Underdark had 8 large uncommons.

War Drums had 4 large Uncommons

War of the Dragon Queen had 2 large Uncommons.


Therefore, Blood War will have 1 large Uncommon, and Unhallowed will have a 1/2 large Uncommon (semicircle base).

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07/10/2006 6:07 AM  
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Well...


Underdark had 8 large uncommons.

War Drums had 4 large Uncommons

War of the Dragon Queen had 2 large Uncommons.


Therefore, Blood War will have 1 large Uncommon, and Unhallowed will have a 1/2 large Uncommon (semicircle base).

(Edited to remove freudian slip)



A large demi-lich in unhallowed ??? [:o)]

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07/10/2006 10:05 AM  
Will we see more Dragonlance sculpts in the future? With the animated movie coming out I can only think that more and more people would like to see them, besides us old timers. And not just sculpts from the Cronicles (although an epic level Raistalin and Fizban would rock), but also from the other series like Huma (epic level, riding a silver dragon) and Kaz (also epic, with Honor's Face), Galan Dracos, Cyan Bloodbane, the list goes on. Please give us more Dragonlance sculpts! I might seem like an afterthought considering WotDQ came and went without a single Draconian, but it's not too late!

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07/11/2006 6:04 PM  
Is there any chance the stirge can be reprinted in set 12 (or even 13 if it's too late for set 12)?

The costs for mold and development appear to have already been paid. You'd just need to make new bases with the correct information on bottom for that set.

I realize that this thread might not be the best place to answer this question. Is this a GenCon question?

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07/11/2006 7:40 PM  
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Is there any chance the stirge can be reprinted in set 12 (or even 13 if it's too late for set 12)?
That's a great idea. I know it's too late, but the Stirge would have been a very good piece to include two or three of in the Basic Set, too.

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07/11/2006 7:45 PM  
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quote:
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Well...


Underdark had 8 large uncommons.

War Drums had 4 large Uncommons

War of the Dragon Queen had 2 large Uncommons.


Therefore, Blood War will have 1 large Uncommon, and Unhallowed will have a 1/2 large Uncommon (semicircle base).

(Edited to remove freudian slip)



A large demi-lich in unhallowed ??? [:o)]




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07/12/2006 6:08 AM  
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Are the offical errata and FAQ on Wizards.com going to be updated.

Moving Guy's clarifications to them would be icing on the cake.

Yes and we're working on it.
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07/12/2006 9:03 AM  
Thanks for all the updates Shoe. So can we expect some great news at Gen Con? Maybe a preview of Fenris's mini like the Rikka we saw last year? Are you ready for a barrage of questions that are related to ...?

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07/21/2006 4:26 AM  
When or Will we get a reply about the Nightmare Artwork boxes and lack of huge rares in them.

This dramactically impacts on me, and other but booster at LGS buyers.


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07/30/2006 6:48 AM  
2 questions:

- Why can't we have prerelease tournaments in Poland?
- Why can't Wizards just send bunch of Promos and Epic Cards to our polish DDM developer, make everyone happy and stop makeing us fill "secondary customers"? I mean, we could at least get retailer kits... (and from what I know, only promos we get were Combat Medics) When you produce these promo miniatures from Gen Con, can't you make a few more and send them to european developers? (so they can for example add them to big orders or give away at various occasions)

Lidda, would you be that kind and answer these 2 simple questions? [:D]

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07/30/2006 8:06 AM  
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No, the Fachen.





Didn't check this thread for at least 2 weeks, then I come back and I see THAT.

ROTFLMAO

Is this the flumph of 3rd ed. or what ?


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07/31/2006 12:15 PM  
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Not sure if more information on the issue will be forthcoming, but we are aware of the issue
Here is the official comment from WotC PR, approved by the legal department:

Wizards of the Coast is committed to providing the best gaming experience possible for our customers. With our miniatures products, one of the ways that we do this is by packaging our minis in a randomized fashion which encourages collecting and trading among our community of players. The War of the Dragon Queen expansion is no different. As is stated on the box, each booster pack contains 8 randomized figures: 7 miniatures and 1 huge.

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07/31/2006 12:18 PM  
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- Why can't we have prerelease tournaments in Poland?
- Why can't Wizards just send bunch of Promos and Epic Cards to our polish DDM developer, make everyone happy and stop makeing us fill "secondary customers"? I mean, we could at least get retailer kits... (and from what I know, only promos we get were Combat Medics) When you produce these promo miniatures from Gen Con, can't you make a few more and send them to european developers? (so they can for example add them to big orders or give away at various occasions)

Lidda, would you be that kind and answer these 2 simple questions? [:D]


I'll forward these questions on to our Organized Play team in Europe.

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07/31/2006 12:30 PM  
Wow. So the WotC stance is that... "It's not a bug. It's a feature."??

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07/31/2006 12:33 PM  
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Here is the official comment from WotC PR, approved by the legal department:

Wizards of the Coast is committed to providing the best gaming experience possible for our customers. With our miniatures products, one of the ways that we do this is by packaging our minis in a randomized fashion which encourages collecting and trading among our community of players. The War of the Dragon Queen expansion is no different. As is stated on the box, each booster pack contains 8 randomized figures: 7 miniatures and 1 huge.
Is it just me, or does the "approved by the legal department" portion of this reply seem to imply something? (I just can't yet think of what that something is.)

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07/31/2006 12:36 PM  
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quote:
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Here is the official comment from WotC PR, approved by the legal department:

Wizards of the Coast is committed to providing the best gaming experience possible for our customers. With our miniatures products, one of the ways that we do this is by packaging our minis in a randomized fashion which encourages collecting and trading among our community of players. The War of the Dragon Queen expansion is no different. As is stated on the box, each booster pack contains 8 randomized figures: 7 miniatures and 1 huge.
Is it just me, or does the "approved by the legal department" portion of this reply seem to imply something? (I just can't yet think of what that something is.)

Dave



Yeah, it means don't even think of trying to get us to buy back all your Nightmare art boosters, because it aint gonna happen. [)]

I'm joking of course but did any of us really expect a different kind of answer?

Thanks to Lidda though for the info. [:D]

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07/31/2006 12:43 PM  
Meh, just sounds to me like WotC's definition of random and our definition of random are two completely different things.

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07/31/2006 12:58 PM  
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Wizards of the Coast is committed to providing the best gaming experience possible for our customers. With our miniatures products, one of the ways that we do this is by packaging our minis in a randomized fashion which encourages collecting and trading among our community of players. The War of the Dragon Queen expansion is no different. As is stated on the box, each booster pack contains 8 randomized figures: 7 miniatures and 1 huge.



This is an example of legal lies intended to deceive. Sure a 'Nightmare' booster contains random miniatures. It just so happens that the most valuable random miniature is randomly chosen from a set of the 6 least valuable random miniatures in that class. Still random, sure, but not really what one would think of when one hears 'random'.

If the exact same logic where applied to the rules of the game, we would be determining 'random' victory areas by assigning 1, 2, 3 on a D20 to less desireable ones, and 4-20 for the victory area that would be most desirable for placement of a Kobold Miner. Actually it is even better than that. We could only assign numbers to desirable victory areas, and completely eliminate the others from consideration. Still 'random' and backed up by your very own legal department. Who wins? Guy Vs WotC Legal Department?

I'm not saying anything against you lidda, you do great work. But I'm not so impressed with your legal department, and whomever requested that such a statement be drafted. It seems to me to be a first step on the path to saying that there is no problem, and that hundreds of little retailers with hundreds of 'Nightmare' boosters sitting on their shelves are just going to have to deal with 'your' problem themselves.

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07/31/2006 1:19 PM  
Well technically though, DDM has never been completely random. (as has been said in the past)

It's controlled randomness at best (oh the paradox!) we buy a booster and know that we are getting 1 rare/3 Unc/4 Com. We can further de-randomize said booster by knowing that there are 3 distrobution slots for Uncommons and 4 distrobution slots for commons. In certain situations the second booster we buy is completely dependent on the first booster (thus ignoring further randomization) by knowing that if we got 'Rare X' there is a good chance that we will not be getting a duplicate of 'Rare X' due to case seedings.

The only example of true randomness that I can think of are baseball cards (unless something changed in the last 10 years). You buy a pack and have no idea what you are getting, and have a completely random chance of pulling that uber foil power attack baseball player card.

So, technically, we have enough statistical evidence to completely disprove their statement. And I'm sure that somehow knowing that a Nightmare Booster packed on 05/06 will never have a Rare in it, or buying a Tiamat Booster, getting a rare, and knowing that the other Tiamat Booster on the shelf does not have a rare completely voids all statements of 'Hey it's random'

Unless everything is 'working as intended'.......

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07/31/2006 1:33 PM  
Although I don't think that this statement was the best way to word the official WotC response, it does the job.

My translation of the final WotC answer:

*****

WotC advertised 'random' contents for their boosters, and they feel that the boosters are random enough to meet the promise made in their marketing materials. Accordingly, they will take no actions to compensate for the correlations found in the set.

*****

My comments:

WotC knows this was a problem set... a huge problem set. They understand each of the problems we've identified for the set. They understand that people don't like seeing those problems occur. They will likely take steps to prevent similar problems in the future... and they will implement those steps as soon as possible.

DDM has always been a great product. This set featured some problems, but it also had a lot of great stuff... Although I'm disappointed by the 'bad stuff', I am confident that the bad stuff will be resolved as quickly as possible, and the good stuff will continue... meaning that the future of DDM looks bright to me. That is all I can ask.

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07/31/2006 1:39 PM  
As long as fixing this 'problem' doesnt cause a new 'problem' to arise I'll be content.

Maybe it was just the timing but it seems that fixing the 'paint issues' from WD caused these 'distro issues' to arise in DQ.

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07/31/2006 1:51 PM  
I'd say that jgsugden has it right.

It is not 100% guaranteed that a nightmare box won't contain a Huge Rare. The side of the Box says 7 random figures and 1 huge, and that is true as well. So, they take the public approach that the product is advertized, but I'd bet there was a WHOLE lot of yelling going on at HQ...

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07/31/2006 2:44 PM  
I'm thinking I might see if any retailers are having trouble getting rid of their Nightmare boosters. I could always gobble up a few and use them in a special 500-point Sealed event. If everyone at the event had to use one Nightmare and one non-Nightmare booster, things might be seen as fair.

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07/31/2006 3:07 PM  
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I'm thinking I might see if any retailers are having trouble getting rid of their Nightmare boosters. I could always gobble up a few and use them in a special 500-point Sealed event. If everyone at the event had to use one Nightmare and one non-Nightmare booster, things might be seen as fair.

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At our second sealed event, this happened to me. Of course, despite my lurking skills, I was totally ignorant of the box art problem... and I got two Nightmares. Before the event started, anyone with two Nightmares traded one to someone with Tiamats or Dracoliches before the boxes were opened. It worked out pretty well.

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07/31/2006 3:28 PM  
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Is it just me, or does the "approved by the legal department" portion of this reply seem to imply something? (I just can't yet think of what that something is.)

Dave



It implies that WotC never promised us any particular method of case seeding, or indeed made any guarantee about the relationship between the contents of the boosters in a case. If each and every case of WotDQ had 6 boosters identical in every respect, they would not have broken any promise made to us.

It just so happens that their usual method of packing cases tends to produce cases seeded in a way that we customers find convenient. Perhaps it goes beyond that and pleasing the customer base does influence their case packing plan, but they have never made that packing practice a public committment.

You could view this a case of WotC trying to practice the strategy of under-promise (no promise about case seeding), but over-deliver (usually the case seeding works out nicely for collectors). And then, when the delivery falls short as it did in WotDQ, at least WotC has not broken any overly optimistic promises.

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07/31/2006 7:21 PM  
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Shoe
Not sure if more information on the issue will be forthcoming, but we are aware of the issue
Here is the official comment from WotC PR, approved by the legal department:

Wizards of the Coast is committed to providing the best gaming experience possible for our customers. With our miniatures products, one of the ways that we do this is by packaging our minis in a randomized fashion which encourages collecting and trading among our community of players. The War of the Dragon Queen expansion is no different. As is stated on the box, each booster pack contains 8 randomized figures: 7 miniatures and 1 huge.





So is this going to be the full 'fix'? Or an intern statement?

I wouldn't call a commitment to providing the best gaming experience possible for our customers.

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I`m also interested in how you take that position when you have stated "The Huge miniatures are divided into six Rares and six Uncommons, and a Huge Rare can be found in one out of three boosters." (from preview one) And for more irony from the same preview: "It also means that the customer who buys just a few boosters has a better chance of getting a Huge Rare."

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07/31/2006 7:24 PM  
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I'd say that jgsugden has it right.



Me too. Except the part about getting better. That much I'm not so sure about. Seems like we've seen more mistakes as of late, not less.


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To say we aren't taking issues seriously would be wrong and incorrect and also not right. And silence here does not mean that we are similarly silent within the walls of our building.

And some of us may have been silent because we were stuck for the last week in a place with no internet -- you wouldn't think a place that close to San Francisco wouldn't have net access.



Guess "taking the issue seriously" and "doing something about it" are two distinctly different things. I'm damn glad I don't own or run a game shop.



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08/02/2006 3:43 PM  
Back to actual questions (although I'm as guilty as any, we should try to keep this thread devoted to questions and answers...):

The Chainmail equivalencies seem to have been abandoned. The last update I can find was for Deathknell back in October of 2005. That leaves Angelfire, Underdark, War Drums and War of the Dragon Queen without equivalencies. Aberrations was never assigned any equiavelencies either, but that seems to be due to a lack of good candidates.

Are there plans underway to release these backlogged equivalency cards?

If not, is there something the community can do to get the process back on track?

Some of us have 'obvious' equivalencies that we'd love to pull off our shelves and put on the skirmish map, but we've been waiting until the official approval comes down...

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08/04/2006 8:04 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden


Are there plans underway to release these backlogged equivalency cards?

If not, is there something the community can do to get the process back on track?


I've been wondering this as well. If no more equivalency cards are going to be released, the entire Chainmail Equivalency operation might as well be scrapped altogether.

But please don't do that!

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08/04/2006 8:20 PM  
Regarding Chainmail Equiv cards: there may be more info in just under a week.

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08/04/2006 8:23 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Shoe

Regarding Chainmail Equiv cards: there may be more info in just under a week.


That could be good or bad. My optimistic self tends to think it means there will be a whole lot of Chainmail equivs released at the same time. I hear something similar occured right after the last Huge set...

I'll hold off on my happy dance until more info is forthcoming.

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08/04/2006 8:40 PM  
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Originally posted by zenthrus

quote:
Originally posted by Shoe

Regarding Chainmail Equiv cards: there may be more info in just under a week.


That could be good or bad. My optimistic self tends to think it means there will be a whole lot of Chainmail equivs released at the same time. I hear something similar occured right after the last Huge set...

I'll hold off on my happy dance until more info is forthcoming.

hold off on the happy dance, but be practicing the steps...

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08/04/2006 11:38 PM  
How are the Design and Development articles going?

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