Caustic_Mouse
Sergeant
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Tooele, Ut
 | | 05/25/2006 1:44 PM |
| "In general, though, dragons are generally considered to be overcosted -- their weak melee attacks can't adequately supplement the flight and breath weapons for which they are priced. This is a problem we recognize and have started the process to repair."
What does he mean by process, exactly? I would assume that all forthcoming dragons will be more viable in skirmish. But could past dragons (or minis) be re-costed with new cards? | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 1:54 PM |
| | No chance they will issue new cards for old dragons. They have stated many times that they will not do this. I agree with this stance. It is difficult enough to remember what all creatures do, let alone multiple variations on the same mini. | |
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greyhaze
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7715 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 1:55 PM |
| | The process in question is to repair the fact that dragons have been less than skirmish worthy. I do not think this would enhance older dragons, unless there were a commander that enhanced all of it's dragons in it's warband, or something similar. | |
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Omand
Commander
3120 Posts
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| | 05/25/2006 1:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Caustic_Mouse
"In general, though, dragons are generally considered to be overcosted -- their weak melee attacks can't adequately supplement the flight and breath weapons for which they are priced. This is a problem we recognize and have started the process to repair."
What does he mean by process, exactly? I would assume that all forthcoming dragons will be more viable in skirmish. But could past dragons (or minis) be re-costed with new cards?
Not going to happen (new cards for old minis, except epic cards of course). This issue has been raised many times in the past. With the exception of banning the Drider from sanctioned play, the DDM team has been very clear on the fact that they will not adjust stats on old minis or release new cards to "errata" any old minis.
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Caustic_Mouse
Sergeant
464 Posts
Tooele, Ut
| | 05/25/2006 1:58 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
unless there were a commander that enhanced all of it's dragons in it's warband, or something similar.
Nice idea! | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 2:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Caustic_Mouse
What does he mean by process, exactly? I would assume that all forthcoming dragons will be more viable in skirmish. But could past dragons (or minis) be re-costed with new cards?
I feel they'll be re-doing the old dragons in the future sets. | |
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lantern314
Sergeant
684 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 2:02 PM |
| I think what it means is that with this set they are trying a new price point for dragons. We may find that they are still too expensive, or they might have overshot and they are too cheap. I think he is trying to say that finding the right cost is a process, not that they have it all figured out.
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 2:05 PM |
| Too much effort and man hours spent on something that would render zero profit.
I extremely doubt they would change their mind as it is known that they have no intentions of doing this. | |
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Brimulk
Sneak
162 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 2:29 PM |
| | I have a feeling that most of the Large Dragons will eventually get Epic cards which may make them a bit more viable. Mostly, so that it will make the Dragon Totem Hero more useful in Epic play, and allow those who love Dragons to play competitive Epic games with them. Huge Dragons should get a 'new' Epic card as well, to make them a little more competitive as well. [:)] | |
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5692 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 2:32 PM |
| | Here's to hoping for more powerful dragons! | |
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 3:05 PM |
| | I agree that the old dragons will not receive new cards(and I mean NONE of them) nor do I think they will reproduce new minis of the old dragons for about 3 or 4 sets after WotDQ, maybe Blood Wars. I hope I'm wrong but it is most likely due to the growing number of factors that could impact decision-making such as this on WotC's behalf. For now, I'll just take what I can get. | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 9:14 PM |
| | Epic Large Blue Dragon? Awesome. :D Now THAT is worthy of a wish list. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 05/25/2006 9:53 PM |
| As much as I'd like to have some of the old pieces re-carded, I understand the enormous problems this could raise. I can see it now:
"Why did they even bother re-issiung stats for this, it's still crap."
or
"Great, now we have another broken piece."
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 05/25/2006 11:16 PM |
| | I hope they end up doing another large red dragon. It sounds like it would be useful to skirmishers if they gave it better stats. And as an RPG collector, I could use another large red in my collection (I only have one from Dragoneye). I bet there are many who started collecting after Dragoneye that would also like to get a large red. Of course, even more than the large red, I'd love to see a large black dragon and large white dragon, since we don't even have these at all yet. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 12:25 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Caustic_Mouse
But could past dragons (or minis) be re-costed with new cards?
I would very much doubt it. It becomes problematic to make sure that everyone has the update. Not everyone has web access and not everyone has access to league support. It's not a very effective way to "fix" things like that.
I'm incredibly surprised that we're seeing the Epic cards! I like them, but I'm very surprised by them at the same time.
No, it's probably more efficient to redo the mini and have a whole than to just rework the card for a piece that nobody really wants to use.
I'm saddened for my Large Blue because he isn't "cool" like the "new" Dragons, but I like him all the same! | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 1:09 AM |
| | Epic cards for some of the dragons is not perhaps a ridiculous thought. Like for that Large Blue Dragon you just mentioned. | |
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Anthraxus
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 1:22 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
The process in question is to repair the fact that dragons have been less than skirmish worthy. I do not think this would enhance older dragons, unless there were a commander that enhanced all of it's dragons in it's warband, or something similar.
But wouldn't that make the newer, better cost dragons just as useful -or even more useful- than the older ones? [:p]
Still, a commander which enhanced dragons might stir up some interest in the older set dragons. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 1:27 AM |
| Epic Blue, NOW with CASTER LEVELS!!
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That's one I'm anxious for! | |
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kingnanu
Warrior
214 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 1:36 AM |
| | I'm all for redoing the old dragons that have already been done. Personally I would love to see some medium sized dragons in the 30 to 40 point range that are competitive in skirmish. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 05/26/2006 2:48 AM |
| I'd guess that the reference is to new dragons being more agressively costed. From the description of the Large Green, it seems that will be the case.
Epic Cards for the older Large dragons would be very interesting. I doubt we'll ever see any new cards for the Huge Red and Huge Gold, though. Also doubtful that the older medium and small dragons will ever see any changes. | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 2:54 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Zaukrie
No chance they will issue new cards for old dragons. They have stated many times that they will not do this. I agree with this stance. It is difficult enough to remember what all creatures do, let alone multiple variations on the same mini.
This was confirmed as of the Winter Fantasy webcast. I asked this same question of Shoe. He basically said "no." | |
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 2:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
Epic Blue, NOW with CASTER LEVELS!!
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That's one I'm anxious for!
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zhanteel
Sneak
173 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 11:30 AM |
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I'm saddened for my Large Blue because he isn't "cool" like the "new" Dragons, but I like him all the same!
This mirrors my sentiment as well. He just seems to radiate power when you look at him, but on the field he comes up short.
Personally, I'm glad they're not trying to retro-fix old dragons, as I agree it would create more problems than it solves. I'll settle for having new dragons fit the skirmish bill. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 05/26/2006 10:28 PM |
| They can still retro-fit the Dragons, but revising the cards is a no-no.
Certain creatures can have Special Abilities, Commander Effects, etc. that benefit many models or only a few. If a Lightning Paraelemental (for example) were to be brought over into LE--an ability that boosted Electricity damage could work very much in the favor of a Large (or even Wyrmling) Blue.
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