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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
    
 | | 06/01/2006 10:36 AM |
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Originally posted by berus316
Like all 3, updated the list and score sheet.
Unhappy that the blackguard is a female, way too many female characters in DDM, not that I'm going to do a stat package on that.
There are? Huh, and here I thought it was just a good start and that there should be more female figures. | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:43 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jacksonm
As for big frosty, very cool. I'll probably want a couple. At 166 points you can fit them in an Epic game and have rome for some other nice pieces.
Yeah…like 2 more Tundra Scouts: 3x166pts=498pts.
I know it'll be suicide but I am dying to try that out! | |
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sienar
Sergeant
640 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:52 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
Blech..Why are there like 5 mounted minis in this set?
Don't we have something like a rule of 5? We get 5 of a creature type in a set and then won't see much for a few sets? Maybe mounted minis will follow that rule, too...
Generally, I'd like to see unmounted monsters before mounted ones. I'd just as soon not see a plain unmounted horse. Bartender and tavern wench are higher on my list than unmounted horse.
Would you count a mule with body bag draped over it as mounted? That's one of my favorite metals ever (although I never managed to pick any up [:(]).
Oh, and the Talenta is on a Clawfoot (don't think it's a Fastieth), not Deionychus, so you're ok there. [:D] You can still get one unmounted. As long as I get some cave dinos. Then we can both be happy. [^]
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Stats-wise, these three all sound viable. We’ll have to see how the Clawfoot Rider pans out, costing more than a Half-Elf Bow Initiate. Blackguard on Nightmare sounds promising, but I’m a bit guarded about the cost. The Tundra Scout sounds like a great figure to run. Kinda reminds me of video game fighters – juggling in the air!
Sculpts?
Happy with the Talenta. I just hope the Eberron-haters will be willing to trade them away for market value.
I’m pretty meh on the Blackguard on Nightmare. The rider looks… plain. THe horses head looks silly. I hope this one looks better in person.
The Tundra Scout’s pretty cool looking. I think the angle on the picture might not have been the best choice. The rider looks a bit big, but may not be so much. Also, I would have liked to see the weapon a little better. I do like what I see.
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 11:01 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
WORST PREVIEW EVER!!!
Blech..Why are there like 5 mounted minis in this set?
I have wanted a Deinonychus for a while now. I still want one. The Eberron halfling rider is OK I guess. This is my favorite of the three. It only makes me vomit in my mouth a little bit.
The Nightmare is beautiful. I dont see anything cartoony about it. And once again WotC changes my view on clear plastic. It can look really awsome if done right. The horrible tumor on its back however really ruins it though.
I hear there is a Frost Giant on a Mastadon in Shackled City. That is this minis only saving grace. Except who ever heard of a beardless Frost Giant? The only thing that really impressed me was all the runes carved into the tusk. I never noticed that looking at the Green Spoiler pic and the Preview X pic.
I don't understand your hatred of mounted figs count. I GM Living Greyhawk on a regular basis and I have a need for mounted figs all the time. I'd kill for a a saracen-like fig on a horse with a bow, more knights on horseback, etc. I use these as proxies. I run Eberron too, so the mounted halfling is a welcome addition.
Can you please explain the rage?
--as for this preview, I have not seen the pics yet (I'm at work) but I like what I've read. I'm dying to see the Blackguard. | |
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Eliminator53
Sergeant
628 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 11:19 AM |
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Originally posted by sienar
Bartender and tavern wench are higher on my list than unmounted horse.
It's Tavern Stripper, get it right [:p] | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/01/2006 11:39 AM |
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don't understand your hatred of mounted figs count. I GM Living Greyhawk on a regular basis and I have a need for mounted figs all the time. I'd kill for a a saracen-like fig on a horse with a bow, more knights on horseback, etc. I use these as proxies. I run Eberron too, so the mounted halfling is a welcome addition.
Can you please explain the rage?
I much prefer the monster without a rider. Without a rider you have a regular specimen of the creature. With a rider you restrict it usefulness in RPG. most of the time the creature is not mounted anyway and when it is what are the chances that the rider is a Human Male Scorcerer or a Female Human Blackguard? When there is a rider its best to have th eplayers just use their imaginations to picture the rider. It easier to picture a rider and picture it riderless..Dont know why it just is.
Id love Bandits on Horses or Saracens on Horses. Thats fine.
Things like Nightmares and Black Dragons however Id much prefer riderless monsters.
The Tundra Scout is OK...But there are so many other huge creatures I would prefer to see. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/01/2006 11:52 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco
quote:
Originally posted by jacksonm
As for big frosty, very cool. I'll probably want a couple. At 166 points you can fit them in an Epic game and have rome for some other nice pieces.
Yeah…like 2 more Tundra Scouts: 3x166pts=498pts.
I know it'll be suicide but I am dying to try that out!
Hmmmm..... that does sound like a lot of fun. [:)] | | | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:36 PM |
| | All 3 minatures look truly beautiful. | |
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Grey Dragon
Sneak
75 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:56 PM |
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Originally posted by berus316
Unhappy that the blackguard is a female, way too many female characters in DDM,
Yes, because all campaign worlds are exclusively populated by men. Noone ever plays female characters, and female NPCs are exclusively off-camera babymakers. [/sarcasm]
...and people wonder why this hobby attracts so few women. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:00 PM |
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Originally posted by Gloom_
All 3 minatures look truly beautiful.
They do indeed, but I am suspecting they are masters.
Clawfoot Rider is going to be pretty useless to me, one and I am done.
BG on Nightmare looks nice on this picture and it will be cool to own, once again only one. I still hope for a riderless Nightmare in the future.
Tundra Scout is awesome on this picture. Love the detail and the tusks just rock! Great piece but I might find use for it once. One and I'll be done. I still wish they would have given us an uncommon frost giant, or even a new rare frost giant and use that Rare Huge slot for something else, like a Nalfeshnee, Bebilith or Retriever, specially with Blood War coming and that not being a Huge set (maybe we'll still get surprised but I thought all Huge slots are accounted for, maybe I am wrong) | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:06 PM |
| | No, there's still one huge slot left. | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:08 PM |
| I posted these in the other thread, but a little cross-posting never hurt anyone. Here's my collected stats from the preview and wild guesses for the others. Confirmed stats in bold
Clawfoot Rider
CG; WoDQ; Rare; 45 pts
LVL 8; SPD 8; AC 18; HP 65
Melee Attack: +13/+8 (10 magic)
Ranged Attack: +14/+9 (10 magic)
Type: Mounted Humanoid (Halfling)
Special Abilites:
-Mounted Ranged Attack
Blackguard on Nightmare
LE; WoDQ; Rare; 96 pts
Commander 4?
LVL 14; SPD 10; AC 22; HP 75 (or maybe more!)
Melee Attack: +18/+13 (10 magic + 5 fire)
Type: Large Mounted Humanoid (Human)
Commander Effect: Tyrannical Morale +6
Special Abilites:
-Sneak Attack +5
-Smite Good +10 [][]
-Blink Out []
-Mounted Melee Attack
I'd like to see conceal 6 as well, but I doubt it. I based the stats off the Mounted Paladin. We'll see how close they are.
Tundra Scout
CE; WoDQ; Rare; 166 pts
LVL 10; SPD 8; AC 23; HP 160
Melee Attack: +19/+14 (25)
Type: Huge Mounted Giant
Special Abilites:
-Trample (25 damage, DC 22)
-Melee Reach 3
-Pushback
-Strike in the Air (if you use Pushback against an adjacent foe, you can attack that target one more time)
-Immune Cold
-Vulnerable Fire
His AC might be lower, if he's CE. Frostburn says that the Tundra Scout has AC 23 and the Mammoth has AC 17, so they might average them to 20. I consider the HP pretty much confirmed at 160, since both the mammoth and the scout have that exact number (well, 161 actually.) I hope he gets both attacks. God, what a beater.
Anything I'm missing? Very fun sounding minis, especially the scout. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:13 PM |
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Originally posted by Ridureyu
No, there's still one huge slot left.
1 slot left to fill on 3 Demons that should be around for the feud [)]
I am sure some of us would've gladly traded the tundra scout/godslayer for a Nalfeshnee & Bebilith [:)] Hopefully we still getting one of them.
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/01/2006 1:13 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
don't understand your hatred of mounted figs count. I GM Living Greyhawk on a regular basis and I have a need for mounted figs all the time. I'd kill for a a saracen-like fig on a horse with a bow, more knights on horseback, etc. I use these as proxies. I run Eberron too, so the mounted halfling is a welcome addition.
Can you please explain the rage?
I much prefer the monster without a rider. Without a rider you have a regular specimen of the creature. With a rider you restrict it usefulness in RPG. most of the time the creature is not mounted anyway and when it is what are the chances that the rider is a Human Male Scorcerer or a Female Human Blackguard? When there is a rider its best to have th eplayers just use their imaginations to picture the rider. It easier to picture a rider and picture it riderless..Dont know why it just is.
I totally agree that creatures without riders are universally more useful than those with riders. If they want to give us mounted figs for RPG then make them more like the Mounted Paladin and the Halfling Outrider.
Not weird stuff like Mounted Drow Patrol, or Halfling on Dino, and if they are going to put a rider on a dragon, make it a Knight of some kind ala Dragonlance. Not DL specific mind you, but something similar. | |
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I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:15 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Grey Dragon
quote:
Originally posted by berus316
Unhappy that the blackguard is a female, way too many female characters in DDM,
Yes, because all campaign worlds are exclusively populated by men. Noone ever plays female characters, and female NPCs are exclusively off-camera babymakers. [/sarcasm]
...and people wonder why this hobby attracts so few women.
I actually think a female fills a blackguard's shoes perfectly, evil things that they are [)] [:p] besides, we all know women love horses... | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/01/2006 1:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Grey Dragon
...and people wonder why this hobby attracts so few women.
and people wonder why having many, many female DDM's will attract female gamers? This will happen how? | |
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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tirwin
Sergeant
462 Posts
North Dakota, USA
| | 06/01/2006 1:35 PM |
| I really like all three minis. I don't play Eberron, but the mini is still cool looking.
My only regret is that growth on the back of the nightmare, oh well. It is a very nice looking mini I must say, I hope the production model looks as nice![:)] | |
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CDW
Sneak
75 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:37 PM |
| | The Blackguard looks terrible. I don't care if it's a girl, or a gnoll, or what, but the White/Grey armor is fairly bland and uninspiring. Why not Black or Red or Green or something? It looks like mundanefull plate that way. | |
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:39 PM |
| | I wonder, if the Mammoth rider was based, could you attack, pushback + Strike in Air, then since it's still in melee reach, pushback + Strike in Air again? 100 Damage? | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 1:57 PM |
| Mounted Ranged Attack with Speed 8...and Teleport Temple...die as soon as something good bases them but man that would drive your opponent crazy.
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 2:19 PM |
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Originally posted by MightyEinherjar
I wonder, if the Mammoth rider was based, could you attack, pushback + Strike in Air, then since it's still in melee reach, pushback + Strike in Air again? 100 Damage?
The preview suggests that you can only use Strike in the Air if you use Pushback against an adjacent enemy. So you probably couldn't hit the same enemy for 100 damage, but you could hit two different enemies for 50 each. Or three enemies, if you had cleave, as mentioned in the article. Assuming he has two attacks, which the article didn't actually confirm.
The figure seems fairly comparable to the epic Aspect of Kord, except he costs 42 points less. You have less damage potential in a toe-to-toe fight, but against anything smaller than the scout, you can easily get 75 damage off using the technique from the preview. Plus, the double (or triple) pushback is a great defense against smaller creatures as well. | |
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Grey Dragon
Sneak
75 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 2:23 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by Grey Dragon
...and people wonder why this hobby attracts so few women.
and people wonder why having many, many female DDM's will attract female gamers? This will happen how?
I'm not claiming that the lack of female figs is keeping the women away. I'm saying that one of the reasons for the low female presence is the chauvinistic attitude of many gamers, an attitude which is reflected in the sentiment that minis should be male 'by default' or that female minis are unneccesary. I'm not saying that having a bunch of female minis will magically cause women to flock to this or any game, but if you look at a pile of minis and 90% or more are male, that doesn't exactly scream female-friendly to me.
Incidentally, I think WotC is actually doing a pretty good job in this regard. Particularly in recent sets, we've seen a good number of female characters, in a nice variety of classes/roles. I'm not saying we need a ton more than we've already been getting; I just don't agree with cutting back on the numbers we have either. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 2:26 PM |
| | It probably also helps that most of the female minis are dressed decently. | |
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 7:15 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku
quote:
don't understand your hatred of mounted figs count. I GM Living Greyhawk on a regular basis and I have a need for mounted figs all the time. I'd kill for a a saracen-like fig on a horse with a bow, more knights on horseback, etc. I use these as proxies. I run Eberron too, so the mounted halfling is a welcome addition.
Can you please explain the rage?
I much prefer the monster without a rider. Without a rider you have a regular specimen of the creature. With a rider you restrict it usefulness in RPG. most of the time the creature is not mounted anyway and when it is what are the chances that the rider is a Human Male Scorcerer or a Female Human Blackguard? When there is a rider its best to have th eplayers just use their imaginations to picture the rider. It easier to picture a rider and picture it riderless..Dont know why it just is.
Id love Bandits on Horses or Saracens on Horses. Thats fine.
Things like Nightmares and Black Dragons however Id much prefer riderless monsters.
The Tundra Scout is OK...But there are so many other huge creatures I would prefer to see.
Fair enough, now I understand where you're coming from. | |
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