KuH
Warrior
293 Posts
    
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| First of all, there is lots of great stuff coming out.
[start rant]
So why are we playing this game of screw the RPGers?! What shocked me is how obvious Mat Smith made it in his review. There is this little, three colour, tree-like Wizened Elder Watcher, which is medium size and CR2 in difficulty. As Mat says, he figures RPGers will use it 'as terrain for woodland encounters'.
So what do they do? They make it RARE, so 'it will take a while to amass a good-sized copse of these guys' (it sure will, at $5-10 each).
This is a CR2 creature (!!!), three paint steps, and one which I would buy ten of if it were uncommon, as terrain. So you include it to excite me, and then p me off by completely, illogically, making it rare! The f-ing thing does 5 points of melee damage and not much else!
What reason can possible exist for making this rare ... other than to p off RPGers??!!
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 06/01/2006 8:49 AM |
| | Feel better now?I'm also dissapointed it's a rare and would love to know why,it would have made an excellent uncommon or common.I highly doubt it was made rare to intentionally upset RPGers though. | | | |
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Thousandsofminis
Warrior
269 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 8:49 AM |
| Where did the preview state that this was rare? I must be blind as I read it twice and didn't see it stated as being a rare. Please indulge and post the section that states rare.
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 06/01/2006 8:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Thousandsofminis
Where did the preview state that this was rare? I must be blind as I read it twice and didn't see it stated as being a rare. Please indulge and post the section that states rare.
Adam
Thousandsofminis.
Click below,boldfaced text
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Thousandsofminis
Warrior
269 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 8:53 AM |
| | Dang, I too must add that is a disappointment. | |
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Thailfi
Sergeant
956 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 8:54 AM |
| | It's rare? Well as an RPGer only, I wasn't going to keep around a flock of these for scenery regarless of commonality, now it will be easier to avoid all together. I am starting to worry about this set though. The minis I don't want are starting to pile up at an alarming rate not seen since Underdark. | |
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Ragnarok
Sneak
91 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 8:55 AM |
| Being a Rare mini, it'll take awhile to amass a good-sized copse of these guys, but just like its Huge cousin from the Giants of Legend expansion -- the Treant -- I can imagine the Wizened Elder Watcher will find itself also serving as terrain for many a woodland encounter.
taken from the Preview ...I must agree a tad lame | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 06/01/2006 9:14 AM |
| I sympathise with your frustration, KuH, but I agree with WakeXX that it is unlikely that the decision has been made to purposefully annoy us RPGers. (That didn't stop me from enjoying your rant, though [)].)
Some posters have suggested that the complexity of the sculpt is the reason - but I know diddly-squat about making miniatures, so I've no idea if that's correct.
This creature is obscure. If it comes up at all in adventures (and I can't think of any) then I doubt the number will be very large. So the main use for RPG is as a Medium-sized tree - possibly as a Medium tree-like creature (not that there are many AFAIK).
Reading the articles on the Design and Development process leaves me a bit puzzled. If a mini is found to not work for skirmish during testing, then it is thrown out - I might not like that, but I can understand the reasoning. However, if the main use of a mini for RPGers is as scenery, and it can't be made as less than a Rare, then that should also provide a good reason to throw it out of the set IMO. So how did it stay in? | |
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sage_raistlin
Sergeant
377 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:15 AM |
| | That has got to be one of the worst, if not the worst choice to take up a rare spot. Talk about a wasted spot...... | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 06/01/2006 9:21 AM |
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Originally posted by Thailfi
I am starting to worry about this set though. The minis I don't want are starting to pile up at an alarming rate not seen since Underdark.
Yep - I can understand that. For me it's a lot worse than Underdark. At present we know about 36 of the minis I think (including two half-revealed dragonspawn), and I only want 13 of them. Even if all the remaining ones are minis I actually use in my campaign (Forgotten Realms), this makes WotDQ by far and away the least useful set (for me) produced [:(]. None of the others come close (for most sets I have wanted 50 or more) - and WotDQ could still get a lot worse as more figures are previewed/revealed [:0].
There are some great minis in the set, and the sculpts are of a very high quality - but oh, that set list [xx(][V]. | |
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Kiddoc
Underboss
1797 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:27 AM |
| | I strongly suspect that this creature is not CR2. The base creature is CR2--but having see the "Watcher" suffix appended to some other creatures/characters in the past, that definately adds some class levels. I'm not sure how many, but I can bet you'll see an explanation forthcoming about why it's a rare. | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:28 AM |
| I wish it was a common.
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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ilarue
Underboss
1259 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:32 AM |
| To me this sculpt doesn't look any more complex than the Ankheg and they were able to make that as an uncommon. Maybe they messed the rarity of this one up on it's base like they did for the Drow Arachnomancer, and Matt just doesn't realize it.
If it is truly a rare, I understand why they need to provide a huge fiendish spider to get your points up for the release tournament--you pull this as one of your rares and you are screwed. | |
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Sharn Inquisitor
Underboss
1623 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:32 AM |
| | Regardless of CR...I have to add that I think it is lame that the author points out that it's rare, and that RPGers would want a bunch as a copse of trees. I think I'll stick with Dollar Store palm trees. | | | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:36 AM |
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Originally posted by Kiddoc
I strongly suspect that this creature is not CR2. The base creature is CR2--but having see the "Watcher" suffix appended to some other creatures/characters in the past, that definately adds some class levels. I'm not sure how many, but I can bet you'll see an explanation forthcoming about why it's a rare.
I'm going to go out on a limb (no pun intended)here and say he's probably an 8th-10th level druid, and that is the reason he's rare. | |
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Zaukrie
Underboss
2007 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:38 AM |
| Now that I've slept on it, I'm sure it has levels to make it more useful for skirmish.
But, I have to say that writing a review stating that you'll want lots, but sorry, it's a rare, is kind of "in your face" to your customers. I like Matt's articles quite a bit, but this part wasn't his most well thought out approach. | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 9:43 AM |
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Originally posted by Sharn Inquisitor
Regardless of CR...I have to add that I think it is lame that the author points out that it's rare, and that RPGers would want a bunch as a copse of trees. I think I'll stick with Dollar Store palm trees.
Would you rather him tell you that you'll want lots of them for a copse of trees and not tell you its a rare. Then, when you open your boosters, find that its a rare?
At least this way we won't be disappointed later when we were expecting uncommon or common trees. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 06/01/2006 9:46 AM |
| I can understand the reasoning that the 'Rare' status may be explained by the mini having lots of levels in a class - I'll bow to the sagely wisdom of those who are pointing that out [:)].
However, I don't understand how the decision to do that was reached. Having decided to make an obscure tree creature, they could have:
a) made it a low cost creature that worked in skirmish, and could be a common that (many) RPGers might have been happy to use as trees;
b) made it a high cost creature that worked in skirmish, but could only be a rare, resulting in frustration and bafflement for those RPGers who only found value in it as scenery.
Surely, any mini can be turned into a Rare by adding levels. It would be possible to make a mini of a cow pat and make it Rare by giving it levels in Assassin. But why do it, if a big section of your market is just going to end up being frustrated by it? I'm confused [?] | |
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 06/01/2006 9:59 AM |
| I'm stunned that it's a rare,
I've been thinking about it and I guess that if it showed up in DDM as a CR 2 tree, all the skirmish players would be "WTF???" What am I going to do with 10 trees?
For RPGers like myself, 10 common trees would be great...
So I guess they can't please everyone all the time. If they come down in price to the low end, I'm sure they may get some play in the secondary market. | |
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swoper
Sneak
54 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:23 AM |
| Lets see:
Wizards probably has 2X2X2 cardboard boxes of minis lying around the building, so to them, nothing is "really" rare. I'm sure they aren't buying them on eBay.
The rare designation probably came from having to glue thirty leaves on to the thing. :-) I know my box with the Watcher in it will probably look like fall. :-) I need a tiny rake to collect all those leaves. :-)
Truthfully, if I need a forrest, I will just get my trees at the Train Hobby Store. They are way cheaper.
I'm hoping that the mini will have a cool new feature like the Elemental Wall.
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 06/01/2006 10:28 AM |
| | It does seem like an odd choice for a rare given current sets. Back in the black and white card days it would be in line with other rares but currently I think we all expect something a little more special. | | | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:37 AM |
| I'm a little surprised as well by the fact that it's rare. Still, if you look at the monster as nothing but the creature it's supposed to represent, it's not a terrible choice. Their excerpt from the MM4 says that "Wizened elders are not especially cooperative and rarely initiate combat. A solitary specimen is the most common encounter, but groups do gather."
So it's not like you'll need more than one, unless you're planning some sort of adventure around them. Now, if you want to use them as trees, then you'll have a bit of a problem with their rarity. | |
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jedijon
Sergeant
474 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:40 AM |
| So it's an animated tree whose CR is probably pretty high.
It JUST SO HAPPENS to PROXYYYYYYYYYYY well as a tree. So, the main basis of this complaint (and I guess mine too because I want a LOT of them) is that rather than make a creature that's cool on it's own, we want the designers to make creatures that PROXY well as something else. (which I've actually heard, but in a negative way, in most Spawn threads).
I hear ya though, not poking fun or anything. Perhaps our Feuer is better directed to say--'you know, we spend a lot of time in the woods and creatures of a LOW rarity which double as scenery would be awfully nice.'
Now that I can agree with. I hope the designers DON'T intent to make a lot of things proxyable. The D&D world isn't so big that things can't just be what they are most of the time. That said, I hope we NEVER hear that insensitive sentance come back again----the oh, it's rare and you'll want tons of them, so good luck collecting them all. Hell, if that's the real name of the game, just own up to it and give us Very Rares like SWM. I really doubt that this is actually the case, so why say it? That was just wrong. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:48 AM |
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Originally posted by berus316
I've been thinking about it and I guess that if it showed up in DDM as a CR 2 tree, all the skirmish players would be "WTF???" What am I going to do with 10 trees?
Uhm, what do skirmishers do with 10 of anything? Even the same goblins are only used in batches of 3 at most. It's the beaters that get in to the 4-5's (Orc Champs, Duergar Champs...)
10 of these guys at CR2 for 4-5pts could've been blockers (with entangle that could be handy-dandy) in skirmish.
I'm annoyed as well about the rarity, the good news is that they are only medium plants and we get the twig blights in the same set too - now I await the LARGE UNCOMMON sized tree creatures that will eventually be revealed... aaaaany second now... | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:51 AM |
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Originally posted by sage_raistlin
That has got to be one of the worst, if not the worst choice to take up a rare spot. Talk about a wasted spot...
I'm guessing you've never heard of the Dromite Wilder, then. | |
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bw
Warrior
249 Posts
Baton Rouge, LA
| | 06/01/2006 10:54 AM |
| | it would suck to pull this guy in a sealed booster draft... lets see you got a dragon.. i got a tree... | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/01/2006 10:57 AM |
| [Sarcasm]Why was the Orc Wardrummer a rare? It was just an orc with a drum... After all, orcs are just CR 1/2... why would an orc be a rare? And what about the Orc Champion, Orc Druid, Obould... they're all just orcs...[/Sarcasm]
We know *nothing* about the skirmish abilities of this figure. It could be a 20th level druid for all we know. If it helps, think of it as any other race that can have levels - an orc, a human, etc... Some rares are just weak races with lots of power added.
Many rares are pretty mediocre RPG pieces. It is just a fact of the game line. In every set we see figures that could easily have been uncommon based upon the sculpt, but were rare due to skirmish considerations. This is no different.
Let's wait to judge until we have the right facts to judge.
As for cheap terrain: If you think this is the only way to get cheap trees for terrain, you're not trying very hard. Even if you bought an army of these guys for $0.75 each, you'd be wasting a lot of money, as there is a lot of model terrain trees that can be purchased for a fraction of the cost. | |
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sienar
Sergeant
640 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 10:58 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by berus316
I've been thinking about it and I guess that if it showed up in DDM as a CR 2 tree, all the skirmish players would be "WTF???" What am I going to do with 10 trees?
Uhm, what do skirmishers do with 10 of anything? Even the same goblins are only used in batches of 3 at most. It's the beaters that get in to the 4-5's (Orc Champs, Duergar Champs...)
10 of these guys at CR2 for 4-5pts could've been blockers (with entangle that could be handy-dandy) in skirmish.
I'm annoyed as well about the rarity, the good news is that they are only medium plants and we get the twig blights in the same set too - now I await the LARGE UNCOMMON sized tree creatures that will eventually be revealed... aaaaany second now...
I imagine the Warder part means Druid levels. Druid levels could mean xxx-master, such as Plantmaster. Make those Shambling Mounds commandable. Give it a Commander Effect to boost attack/damage, give the plants something like Natural Soul, and we've got a good start to a warband.
I'm still happy Twig Blights are in the set. Now I just need to figure out how I'm going to get enough to sate me. I stopped at 24 Dire Rats and 24 Fiendish Girallon, but I don't know if that wil lbe enough Twig Blights. [:p] | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 11:03 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
[Sarcasm]Why was the Orc Wardrummer a rare? It was just an orc with a drum... After all, orcs are just CR 1/2... why would an orc be a rare? And what about the Orc Champion, Orc Druid, Obould... they're all just orcs...[/Sarcasm]
We know *nothing* about the skirmish abilities of this figure. It could be a 20th level druid for all we know. If it helps, think of it as any other race that can have levels - an orc, a human, etc... Some rares are just weak races with lots of power added.
Many rares are pretty mediocre RPG pieces. It is just a fact of the game line. In every set we see figures that could easily have been uncommon based upon the sculpt, but were rare due to skirmish considerations. This is no different.
Let's wait to judge until we have the right facts to judge.
As for cheap terrain: If you think this is the only way to get cheap trees for terrain, you're not trying very hard. Even if you bought an army of these guys for $0.75 each, you'd be wasting a lot of money, as there is a lot of model terrain trees that can be purchased for a fraction of the cost.
I've been thinking the same thing, but wouldn't have said it as eloquently as you. [:)] | |
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robby
Sergeant
918 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 11:07 AM |
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Originally posted by Sulaco
quote:
Originally posted by sage_raistlin
That has got to be one of the worst, if not the worst choice to take up a rare spot. Talk about a wasted spot...
I'm guessing you've never heard of the Dromite Wilder, then.
Or the Champion of Yondalla or Phoelarch.
I'm not unhappy that its rare. Means I'll get less of 'em.
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KuH
Warrior
293 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 11:35 AM |
| I'm sure you're right that this guy has some mega spell-casting powers.
And that's a fair comment about buying my trees elsewhere.
The truth is I haven't looked until now: I have been taking the default option of buying only DDM minis as my only role-playing figures and props. I also have the cleanliness of having everything fit together in terms of size, style, look, etc.
Maybe it is time to give up on that and start accepting that minis will fill only some of my RPG needs, and adjust my buying accordingly. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2731 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 06/01/2006 11:40 AM |
| | I've come full circle on what I consider good vs. bad rares. I don't mind Phoelarchs, Dromite Wilders, etc taking up a rare slot. They're not something that I'll want many of and as a rare that works for me as an RPger. It was pretty much the introduction of large uncommons that changed my position on rares. I want to want rares much less than cool U/C's it makes it much easier to collect sizable numbers of them. I realize there will be good RPG pieces as rares that just can't be made into an uncommon, but i like to see these kept as low as possible and get my RPG pieces in the other two slots. YMMV. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:08 PM |
| This is a fine piece to have as a rare for RPG. DDM isn't about providing us with terrain; it's about providing us with PCs and opponents for combat encounters. The wizend elder is apparently a fairly solitary creature from MMIV, therefore I'll pick up one and call it a day.
I agree with jgsugden's arguement about getting trees for terrian.
I am somewhat surprised that they chose this as a rare- the look of it says uncommon to me. I'll be disappointed if I pull multiples of this guy and have trouble trading it away. Otherwise I'm fine with it as a rare.
From what I've seen of WotDQ, this will be a relatively inexpensive set to collect. There are only a few minis that I'll be chasing massive numbers of. Most things, like the wizend elder, I'll only want one or two of. | |
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smetzger
Warrior
327 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:14 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by nyjastul69
I've come full circle on what I consider good vs. bad rares. I don't mind Phoelarchs, Dromite Wilders, etc taking up a rare slot. They're not something that I'll want many of and as a rare that works for me as an RPger. It was pretty much the introduction of large uncommons that changed my position on rares. I want to want rares much less than cool U/C's it makes it much easier to collect sizable numbers of them. I realize there will be good RPG pieces as rares that just can't be made into an uncommon, but i like to see these kept as low as possible and get my RPG pieces in the other two slots. YMMV.
Yeah I agree. The less Rares that I want the less boosters I will buy. I would much rather have all of the Uncommons be must haves and all the Rares be 'not for me'.
I just hope he has decent skirmish stats so I can trade him away for something I want. | |
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jedijon
Sergeant
474 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:14 PM |
| Lab Monkey--as long as you'll entertain the though that I'll give you several uncommons or one really cool uncommon (don't think anything fits that bill in this set yet, but I'll keep waiting) rather than a REAL rare, I'd be more than happy to trade you, or anybody else out there for a few of this piece.
Did it with the Dromite, and I'll do it again. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/01/2006 12:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco
quote:
Originally posted by sage_raistlin
That has got to be one of the worst, if not the worst choice to take up a rare spot. Talk about a wasted spot...
I'm guessing you've never heard of the Dromite Wilder, then.
You wanted more than one Dromite???
Rare was perfect for that. Its a new PC race in the Psionics Handbook so making at least one for a player who wants to be one is essential IMO.
I loved this little critter..but rare was perfect...I dont want more than one.
This creature as per the MM4 is also solitary...So whats the problem? I wouldnt want a bunch of a solitary creature because it can PROXY as something that travels in groups. Its even sillier to want multiples of a solitary creature because you want to use it as terrain.
Uncommon would be OK I guess...but there have definitly been worse rare choices like the Red Slaad and Chain Devil.
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kestrel.ca
Underboss
1687 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kiddoc
...but having see the "Watcher" suffix appended to some other creatures/characters in the past, that definately adds some class levels.
Hmmm, so what class levels were added to the Sacred? [:p] | |
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bshugg
Underboss
1833 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:31 PM |
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Originally posted by Kiddoc
I strongly suspect that this creature is not CR2. The base creature is CR2--but having see the "Watcher" suffix appended to some other creatures/characters in the past, that definately adds some class levels. I'm not sure how many, but I can bet you'll see an explanation forthcoming about why it's a rare.
I would agree with this. Its advanced in size from the text description, and has a subname "watcher".
Being a rare is no problem for me. I still can get 10 if needed. I'm more bothered that the first time they release a critter, they are doing a sub-version. Its too big to work as a standard one. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/01/2006 12:31 PM |
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Originally posted by jedijon
Lab Monkey--as long as you'll entertain the though that I'll give you several uncommons or one really cool uncommon (don't think anything fits that bill in this set yet, but I'll keep waiting) rather than a REAL rare, I'd be more than happy to trade you, or anybody else out there for a few of this piece.
Did it with the Dromite, and I'll do it again.
See that's the thing- if a rare is so low in value that it can't be traded for other rares... well then it really stinks to pull multiples. | |
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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/01/2006 12:35 PM |
| I looked at inexpensive trees at hobby train shops. They're too flimsy. The leaf stuff crumbles.
I ended up forking out some money and getting about 16 heroscape trees (one hex) and 2 of the large trees. They're not the best for a grid system, but they work pretty well. | |
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