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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
    
 | | 06/02/2006 11:13 PM |
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Originally posted by Sulaco
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Originally posted by striderlotr
Oh and as an offer, I'll buy any of the repainted ones from Piazo from people at what it cost them. So please order your one mini if you haven't already.
I'll give you cost plus 1ยข for them. Take that, striderlotr!
Sorry, had a Price is Right moment there. [)]
Oh yeah? Well, I'll give them cost plus $.02, a Wrackspawn, Giant Frog AND an Ibixian! Now we'll see which minis are REALLY hated. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 11:16 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
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Originally posted by Tasmanian_tiger
I am getting tired of seeing the people complain about the complainers. Honestly, I'm no big speaker on this forums. I follow them steadily, now however, I'm hesitant to type anything up.
You shouldn't be. Just post your mind and move on.
The way I look at it, if someone wants to complain about me, they are free to do so. I don't really care. [:)]
I find your apathy disturbing. [)] | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 11:22 PM |
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Originally posted by zoroaster100
No thank, RobWreck, but I'll gladly trade you a mounted black for a huge red dragon instead, and you'll see why putting the rider on the huge black made the dragon much less valuable than if they had done a huge black without a rider (which would have made the huge black eventually have about the same value as the huge red on the secondary market after the set has been out as long as GoL has).
Ummm, the Huge Red is more because it's a red and it's from what, FIVE sets ago. The rider doesn't hurt it's value. In fact, it enhances the value of this mini AND the gargantuan black to those that matter most: WotC. They could care less about your "portfolio", and rightfully so. Want a rider? Here's your mini. Want one without? There's your mini. It's good for everybody. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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TroglodyteWizard89
349 Posts
USA
| | 06/02/2006 11:23 PM |
| Im guessing a removable rider is too much to ask
Ill just return to my pondering...sigh | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/02/2006 11:23 PM |
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Originally posted by kgradert13
I like how it looks.
My only complaint is that it should be Manshoon on Black Dragon, not a generic sorcerer
I can pretend I guess. [:)]
But if you have the flu, can you pretend it's a can of chicken soup? | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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driordan
Sneak
52 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 12:26 AM |
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Originally posted by striderlotr
Wow, all the issues people had and not a single comment on this thread about the hate of this mini... Could it be that maybe people are liking the mini? Could it be that people are saying it is not as bad as they thought?
Please accept this negative comment then.
I've been drooling over the concept of a Huge Black ever since I saw the fuzzy picture from the side of the box, but once I saw it had a rider my mouth, and my interest, sort of dried up. [xx(] I may just wind up handing mine to a friend who's handy with an Xacto knife, and asking him if he thinks he can remove that 'growth' from the dragons back.
That having been said, I did order the promo. I figure, at worst it will make a good trade some day. And who knows, maybe at some point in the future I'll actually want a dragon with a rider. Not likely, but . . . | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 12:40 AM |
| Dragonriders rock out.
Cans of soup are pretty cool too, but Manshoon owns chicken noodle soup. [:D] | |
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RobWreck
Warrior
295 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 9:12 AM |
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Originally posted by TroglodyteWizard89
Im guessing a removable rider is too much to ask
Ill just return to my pondering...sigh
You know, a removable rider would be a GREAT idea for a future set. Maybe put a post in the rider's butt and a hole in the mount to slot him in. The stat card would only have to represent the creature with its rider, but the RPGers could then take the rider off if they really need to.
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RobWreck
Warrior
295 Posts
| | 06/03/2006 9:31 AM |
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Originally posted by zoroaster100
No thank, RobWreck, but I'll gladly trade you a mounted black for a huge red dragon instead, and you'll see why putting the rider on the huge black made the dragon much less valuable than if they had done a huge black without a rider (which would have made the huge black eventually have about the same value as the huge red on the secondary market after the set has been out as long as GoL has).
You really think that the presence of a rider is going to make the huge black worth substantially less than if he didn't have a rider? To compare the value of a similar creature that's coming out in the near future with one that's a few years old isn't really fair. It's not the presence or absence of a rider that's going to change its value... more likely it's going to be the facts that
A) The red dragon is the iconic D&D dragon, and therefore in highest demand among dragons for RPGers, with a higher price than the black will ever command.
B) More people are playing the mini's game now than were playing it back when GoL came out. As such, more D&D skirmishers will be getting the current black dragon rather than got the retired GoL red dragon. RPGers can always choose to use an alternate source for their black dragon (I've seen several metal black dragon mini's that look pretty nice), but that option doesn't exist for the D&D skirmishers.
One other thing to consider that may keep the price of this black dragon down... are the 5,000 repaints that Paizo have part of the regular print run of this dragon or are they an extra 5,000? If they were made specifically for Paizo and not taken from the general stock, then that means that this will be the most common rare of the set, with up to 5,000 more in general circulation. That'll keep the price down a bit...
Rob
PS: I never implied that the SoBD was anywhere near equivalent value to the Huge red dragon. What I did imply was that even those complaining the most about it still value it more than many other rares or huges, judging by prices I've seen on eBay and other sites. For those that think it's worthless, my $7 offer still stands...
PPS: Hey Kyrin... yes, worthless does mean valueless. So is it a worthless piece? Not in my book...
www.dictionary.com
Worthless: adj. Lacking worth; of no use or value
Valueless: adj. Having no value; worthless | |
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 12:28 AM |
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Originally posted by RobWreck
PPS: Hey Kyrin... yes, worthless does mean valueless. So is it a worthless piece? Not in my book...
www.dictionary.com
Worthless: adj. Lacking worth; of no use or value
Valueless: adj. Having no value; worthless
I'm sorry. I thought we were on maxminis.com, a place where D&D miniatures are traded, not dictionary.com. Let me be more clear then:
Beyond the first one, the Huge Black Dragon Carrying Lunch will be worthless to me, because I will have no use for it. However, because I have access to many Valued Trading Partners, the mini still has value. And I will trade it at that value. Clearer now?
Yeesh. Look up "context" on dictionary.com.
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dariustad
Warlord
6322 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 12:43 AM |
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Originally posted by kyrin
Huge Black Dragon Carrying Lunch
I think I was one of the first (if not the first) to call it that! [:P] I still think it's true. [}:)]
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 7:09 AM |
| It is a little known fact that my minis talk to me.
I refuse to belive this means I crazy. I am much more convinced that I have been chosen by the gods a will soon be transported to my homebrew world. As soon as I finish that blank spot in the southern hemisphere.
But back to the point. My only complant with the Sorceror on the Black Dragon is that the sorceror in the picture keeps say "get along little doggie" I certainly hope that when I get my own it has something more interesting to say.
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Stabmastaarson
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 10:41 AM |
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Originally posted by glumag
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Originally posted by Stabmastaarson
I thought it looked kinda neat myself. There must be something cool about it, seeing how Paizo sold over 1,300 of 5000 repaints yesterday.
That's it? I would've swore they would've sold out quick. 5k is not that many for a world wide thing.
Given the size of our hobby AND the fact that you have to be a subscriber to order, I think 1,300 units in less than 24 hours is pretty good. Just my two cents. It's still listed as the top selling item on the website today, btw. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 10:53 AM |
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Originally posted by RobWreck
A) The red dragon is the iconic D&D dragon, and therefore in highest demand among dragons for RPGers, with a higher price than the black will ever command.
I'm not really sure I agree with this train of thought. How is the Red Dragon the "iconic D&D dragon"? To people who don't play D&D it's just another dragon. To those who do play D&D, we all know there are 5 chromatics and they're all cool evil dragons. They even used a Black Dragon in the movie (the 2nd one) instead of a Red. | |
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RobWreck
Warrior
295 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 11:19 AM |
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Originally posted by greyhaze
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Originally posted by RobWreck
A) The red dragon is the iconic D&D dragon, and therefore in highest demand among dragons for RPGers, with a higher price than the black will ever command.
I'm not really sure I agree with this train of thought. How is the Red Dragon the "iconic D&D dragon"? To people who don't play D&D it's just another dragon. To those who do play D&D, we all know there are 5 chromatics and they're all cool evil dragons. They even used a Black Dragon in the movie (the 2nd one) instead of a Red.
Perhaps I'm mistaken in presuming that red would be the most common color associated with dragons... Smaug kinda sets a standard when thinking about what a dragon looks like. But the fact that the most powerful of the evil dragons is red leads me to believe that Gygax also had that feeling regarding red as the iconic color for dragons. | |
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Sammael
Underboss
1881 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 11:24 AM |
| | Red Dragon was a part of the TSR logo. It is also the most powerful evil dragon, and the only evil dragon to actually breathe fire (which is a major part of the dragon myth). A recent poll on ENWorld showed that an overwhelming majority of people see the red dragon as the most iconic D&D dragon. | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 11:28 AM |
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Originally posted by Stabmastaarson
I thought it looked kinda neat myself. There must be something cool about it, seeing how Paizo sold over 1,300 of 5000 repaints yesterday.
Personally, I think the paint from the actual set looks better.
I wasn't quite sure what to think at first, but all in all I do like the mini itself. It looks really good, and will probably be fun to play. Maybe the Sorcerer can cast a spell and the dragon can attack at the same time. There was some mention of a fistfull of Quick Casts, and that would be a good way to simulate it. Even better if the sorcerer can cast while the dragon is based.
There is a huge black dragon in the last setting I designed, but the odds of the party ever fighting him were really low. It's not inconcievable that Gix would allow one of his lieutennants to ride him, but probably not. I'd just have to ask the players to disregard the rider. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/04/2006 1:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by TroglodyteWizard89
Im guessing a removable rider is too much to ask
Ill just return to my pondering...sigh
I'm having Pinky & The Brain flashbacks here. [:D] | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/04/2006 1:19 PM |
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Originally posted by Gunthar
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
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Originally posted by Tasmanian_tiger
I am getting tired of seeing the people complain about the complainers. Honestly, I'm no big speaker on this forums. I follow them steadily, now however, I'm hesitant to type anything up.
You shouldn't be. Just post your mind and move on.
The way I look at it, if someone wants to complain about me, they are free to do so. I don't really care. [:)]
I find your apathy disturbing. [)]
This is not the apathy you're looking for. [)] Move along. | |
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G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Dragon King
Sneak
137 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 1:21 PM |
| | I bought the promo, and will get the standard, too. I think it looks quite cool, though not as much as the Griffon chick and the Tundra Blue Dude. Heck, I think the worst lookin mounted mini is the Paladin, and I have 2! Mounted minis just rule... But I'll have to wait until the next Huges set to get my Mounted Aspect of Torm! | |
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Thailfi
Sergeant
956 Posts
| | 06/04/2006 4:33 PM |
| $7 isn't much of an offer for a rare huge. The cost of three boosters to average a huge rare would run you $21 extra. Those huge uncommons are going to be worth $4 at most. You want to send me $13 bucks plus pay for my shipping and you have got a deal.
I think they ruined the figure by putting a rider on it, but I haven't taken leave of my senses. Now a huge black without a rider would have commanded a value real close to the huge red from GOL.
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 06/05/2006 6:29 AM |
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Originally posted by RobWreck
You really think that the presence of a rider is going to make the huge black worth substantially less than if he didn't have a rider?
I think that is very likely, but pricing seems complex. If the next set has a commander with an effect like "all dragons with riders deliver +50 damage", then its value might go through the roof [)].
It seems widely believed that most DDM sales are for RPG. Quite a few RPGers on maxminis don't like dragons with riders - that might be reflected within the wider RPG community as well. Price will be determined by supply and demand. Less demand will lead to a lower price.
So, barring some odd effect that makes that particular mini ultra-desirable for skirmish, I would expect that the presence of a rider will lower the mini's value compared to that of a riderless huge dragon. That's my expectation - only time will tell. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/05/2006 7:11 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by RobWreck
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Originally posted by zoroaster100
No thank, RobWreck, but I'll gladly trade you a mounted black for a huge red dragon instead, and you'll see why putting the rider on the huge black made the dragon much less valuable than if they had done a huge black without a rider (which would have made the huge black eventually have about the same value as the huge red on the secondary market after the set has been out as long as GoL has).
You really think that the presence of a rider is going to make the huge black worth substantially less than if he didn't have a rider?
OF COURSE.
zoroaster is exactly right. The Red may be more popular than the Black. But it is still one of the 5 iconic huge dragons. I cant say if it would end up as valuable as the Huge Red Dragon is right now 6 sets into the future. But I can say with 100% certainty that it would be a more valuable mini without a rider. It would be the most expensive mini in the set on the secondary market and would be the most desired huge in the set..Just like the Red was in GoL.
But because of the rider, instead of 99% of us loving this mini as the crowning jewel of the set, we have on 50% liking the mini and the other 50% saying the following (wich I completely agree with)
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I've been drooling over the concept of a Huge Black ever since I saw the fuzzy picture from the side of the box, but once I saw it had a rider my mouth, and my interest, sort of dried up. I may just wind up handing mine to a friend who's handy with an Xacto knife, and asking him if he thinks he can remove that 'growth' from the dragons back.
Disclaimer: (In this hypotetical riderless dragon situation its value would be effected if the promo still existed). | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/05/2006 7:22 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sulaco
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Originally posted by RobWreck
PS: Hey Sulaco... I was offering to BUY them at $7 each, not make people PAY me $7 to take it from them. Of course, if they REALLY don't like it that much, then sure, they can pay me to take it from them... [)]
I know, but if the haters really want to put up or shut then they should give them away. That would really prove their point.
Hell, I'll even go one better: I won't even cover their postage. Now it'll actually cos them money to get rid of the figures. That will really show how much they hate it. [)]
Irony aside, even at $7 a pop I don't expect anyone to bite, man. I remember back in the Harbinger and Dragoneye days people claiming that they were throwing away "junk" miniatures, yet the seemed mysteriously reluctant to send them to any fo the dozens of people who offered to take them off their hands and to pay their postage costs. Odd, that.
It's all fine and swell to claim now that they'll be setting teh Mounted Sorcerer figures on fire, but when it comes time to actually make trades a much smaller number of posters will actually part with them in the volumes they claim. Some will, of course, but far more will fail to come through on their promise.
Basically what it gets down to is that people like to talk shit.*
*Me included. [)]
One of my biggest pet-peeves is whenever someone voices their displeasure in a mini, someone else always offers to take the mini off their hands for them since its so worthless to the original poster. That may have been clever the first 100 times Ive read it..But now its old. [:)]
Ok actually it wasnt clever the first time Ive heard it. Is it really necessary for someone to say "The mini is worthless TO ME"? Of course the mini has worth. If I pull a mini that I think is crap (Griffon Rider, Sorcerer on Dragon ect) Im still going to try to trade it for something. The mini isnt really and actually worthless..Heck I still paid for the booster it came in didnt I? So it at least holds the value of a booster minus a few bucks. Im not just going to give it away. Thanks to Maxminis I can find someone who actually thinks the mini DOES have value and trade it.
Hypothetically...Lets just say you somehow came into the posession of a Picasso painting. You think its ugly and stupid looking and would never display such an eyesore. Its worthless TO YOU. So does that mean you would give away the painting? Or would you more logically sell it for the thousands of dollars its worth? | |
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monster_slayer
Warrior
331 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 9:25 AM |
| | I like it. I ordered the repaint and can't wait to get may hands the the regular ones. | |
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prchamb
Warrior
220 Posts
Charlotte, NC
| | 06/05/2006 10:39 AM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
But because of the rider, instead of 99% of us loving this mini as the crowning jewel of the set, we have on 50% liking the mini and the other 50% saying the following (wich I completely agree with)
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I've been drooling over the concept of a Huge Black ever since I saw the fuzzy picture from the side of the box, but once I saw it had a rider my mouth, and my interest, sort of dried up. I may just wind up handing mine to a friend who's handy with an Xacto knife, and asking him if he thinks he can remove that 'growth' from the dragons back.
Count Dooku has it right. Without a rider, the huge black would have been the crown jewel of the set. With a rider, it's a disappointment to many of us.
Of course, despite not really liking the mini, I still ordered the Dragon magazine repaint. I guess that means I've got an addiction. [:D]
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 11:59 AM |
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Originally posted by kyrin
Maybe you (and the other "likers") need to put up or shut up, Sulaco. You like the mini so much, you'll surely trade me $100 worth of minis for it, right? Prove to me that it's a good mini by giving me a sweet deal. That sword cuts both ways, my friend. I mean, I see people who praise a mini up and down, say how cool it is, and yet they actually want to get it from me for its equivalent value! Odd, that. Shouldn't they be showering me with Beholders and Fire Giants for bestowing upon them their heart's desire?
The mini may be worthless to me, but that does not make it without value.
Not really. I never said "It's the best and most useful figure and I value it more than any other", but many haters have said it is "useless" and "worthless" and a "waste."
I agree completely that just cos it is no worth to you does not mean it is worthless, but you are one of the few people who has regined in the hyperbole and added to "to me" bit. That was the point, really, of what I wrote: that, to paraphrase Vash, "worthless to you is not the same as worthless."
Cheers, man. | |
Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 12:18 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
One of my biggest pet-peeves is whenever someone voices their displeasure in a mini, someone else always offers to take the mini off their hands for them since its so worthless to the original poster. That may have been clever the first 100 times Ive read it..But now its old. [:)]
Ok actually it wasnt clever the first time Ive heard it. Is it really necessary for someone to say "The mini is worthless TO ME"?
Somewhat necessary. Sure some more even-headed folks mean "worthless to me" when they write it but some folks mean actually "worthless," as evinced by other terms like "wasted slot" and "ruined the set" which they also toss around. A prime example is this quote, pulled from a post on the WotC boards in regards to the Witchnkife figure: "Waste of plastic and set slot." That is certainly not the same thing as "worthless to me."
So yes, I think those people who mean "worthless to me" should write "worthless to me" to seperate the opinion form the hyperbole. | |
Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. ~ Terry Pratchett | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 06/05/2006 12:20 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
One of my biggest pet-peeves is whenever someone voices their displeasure in a mini, someone else always offers to take the mini off their hands for them since its so worthless to the original poster. That may have been clever the first 100 times Ive read it..But now its old. [:)]
One of my biggest pet peaves is people who complain that they don't like the rider and then say they'll buy it anyway. Wtf????? To each his own, but if your truly don't like it, then don't buy it. That's what I did with the CRD. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 06/05/2006 12:56 PM |
| | I certainly ordered one fo the 5000....even if I get one from a booster (which ISN'T) a guarentee.....the repaint is worth more anyway. They are going to hold their value just as well as a Huge black that DOESN'T have a rider..... | |
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Thailfi
Sergeant
956 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 1:26 PM |
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They are going to hold their value just as well as a Huge black that DOESN'T have a rider.....
Yeah, they will hold their value just as well. Too bad a riderless one would have started at twice the value of the one with a rider. You could be right about the repaint being worth what a riderless one would have been worth though, problem is think what value that bad boy would have had if he was a repaint AND riderless. This thread is proof that the riderless black would have been far more valuable. Value is based on supply and demand. As evidenced by half the posts on this thread, fewer people desire the figure now that it has a rider. Thus, it will hold a lower value. I fully expect it to settle in right around warforged titan prices. I think a riderless version would have setteled in at about Huge Gold Dragon level. I guess we will never know. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/05/2006 1:38 PM |
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So yes, I think those people who mean "worthless to me" should write "worthless to me" to seperate the opinion form the hyperbole.
Then I shall try to remember to do so from now on [:)] | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 1:45 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
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Originally posted by TroglodyteWizard89
Im guessing a removable rider is too much to ask
Ill just return to my pondering...sigh
I'm having Pinky & The Brain flashbacks here. [:D]
I think so, but Burlap chaffes me so. [:)] | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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RobWreck
Warrior
295 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 2:31 PM |
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Originally posted by Thailfi
quote:
They are going to hold their value just as well as a Huge black that DOESN'T have a rider.....
Yeah, they will hold their value just as well. Too bad a riderless one would have started at twice the value of the one with a rider. You could be right about the repaint being worth what a riderless one would have been worth though, problem is think what value that bad boy would have had if he was a repaint AND riderless. This thread is proof that the riderless black would have been far more valuable. Value is based on supply and demand. As evidenced by half the posts on this thread, fewer people desire the figure now that it has a rider. Thus, it will hold a lower value. I fully expect it to settle in right around warforged titan prices. I think a riderless version would have setteled in at about Huge Gold Dragon level. I guess we will never know.
Wow, you think that the price is really going to be that much less because of the rider? Then in that case, I certainly hope that all dragons in the future have riders on them. $60+ for a plastic, mass-produced dragon is a little rediculous in the secondary market, but to be able to pick them up for a reasonable price would be great.
Here's to the future of mounted dragons... may they all have gnomish riders! [)]
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Thailfi
Sergeant
956 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 2:47 PM |
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Wow, you think that the price is really going to be that much less because of the rider? Then in that case, I certainly hope that all dragons in the future have riders on them. $60+ for a plastic, mass-produced dragon is a little rediculous in the secondary market, but to be able to pick them up for a reasonable price would be great.
Here's to the future of mounted dragons... may they all have gnomish riders!
I honestly do. Without a rider, it would have been the crowning jewel of the set for me above the large green and dracolich. Now, if I get one, it will immediately go in my for trade pile. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 06/05/2006 3:07 PM |
| I agree with Thailfi.
Wether you persoanlly like the rider or not...You cant possibly think that the mini would have the same secondary market value wether it had a rider or not.
Thats just denial.
My guess would be 3 times the value or more if it was riderless. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 3:23 PM |
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
I agree with Thailfi.
Wether you persoanlly like the rider or not...You cant possibly think that the mini would have the same secondary market value wether it had a rider or not.
Thats just denial.
My guess would be 3 times the value or more if it was riderless.
Wow, talk about "in denial". [xx(ΥX? Get a grip. Gee, with Mega Red coming out, the online price guide for the Huge Red just took a $20+ nose dive. What, did they add an after-market rider to it?
Again, if you want one sans-rider, just order the Gargantuan, it'll be like you guaranteed your huge Rare without getting stuck with another Meepo and commons/uncommons you have more than you want of. It's good for everyone this way, not just you. | |
Champion of Prit(Wemic vindication is here)
Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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prchamb
Warrior
220 Posts
Charlotte, NC
| | 06/05/2006 3:37 PM |
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Originally posted by Gunthar
Gee, with Mega Red coming out, the online price guide for the Huge Red just took a $20+ nose dive. What, did they add an after-market rider to it?
Very bad example.
The "nose dive" is due to a change from 2 stores having the dragon available (at $90 and $45) to 1 store supposedly having it available at $45. Not only is that less than the lowest price on the ebay sales price guide ($45.50), but I couldn't find any of the listed online stores with the HRD dragon in stock.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/05/2006 3:56 PM |
| Those online price guides cause so many problems... people think of them (or the Ebay completed auctions prices) as gospel. It is a bit ridiculous.
Ask yourself how much you'd be willing to pay for a figure. Look around. See if you can find the figure beneath that price. If you think it is worth the effort, comparison shop to see if you can get a cheaper price.
That is the sensible process for buying in the secondary market. | |
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Thailfi
Sergeant
956 Posts
| | 06/05/2006 4:03 PM |
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Again, if you want one sans-rider, just order the Gargantuan, it'll be like you guaranteed your huge Rare without getting stuck with another Meepo and commons/uncommons you have more than you want of. It's good for everyone this way, not just you.
I would do that, but for me the jumping off point for size is huge. I don't want anything bigger as I have to lug these to all of my playing sessions. I would not buy the gargantuan at any price point. For me that is like going into my Ford dealer to buy a Mustang and being told that they only have them in chartruese, but you can buy the beautiful Excursion in any color. | |
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