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guacamole
Sneak
134 Posts
    
 | | 06/06/2006 11:59 AM |
| | I thought we all agreed that the next ogre was going to be the ogre tavern stripper... | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 06/06/2006 12:19 PM |
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Originally posted by guacamole
I thought we all agreed that the next ogre was going to be the ogre tavern stripper...
Woot! [:D]
Part of the same set with the Troll Madame, right? [)] | |
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guacamole
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134 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 12:25 PM |
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TroglodyteWizard89
349 Posts
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| | 06/06/2006 3:08 PM |
| | Just an uncommon orge that looks like the one from the MM, with a shaman commander. IMO, I think that would flesh out orges enough for a while. | |
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trollbill
Warrior
176 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 3:10 PM |
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Originally posted by Monsoon28
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Originally posted by guacamole
I thought we all agreed that the next ogre was going to be the ogre tavern stripper...
Woot! [:D]
Part of the same set with the Troll Madame, right? [)]
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/06/2006 3:27 PM |
| | How about an ogre with a longspear? That'd be useful for all RPGers... it could be used as a typical ogre by new collectors, and could supplement normal ogres for old time collectors... | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/06/2006 3:27 PM |
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Originally posted by trollbill
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Originally posted by Monsoon28
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Originally posted by guacamole
I thought we all agreed that the next ogre was going to be the ogre tavern stripper...
Woot! [:D]
Part of the same set with the Troll Madame, right? [)]
Also known as a Trollop.
[:D] ROFL! [:D]
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 3:29 PM |
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Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by Lab Monkey
We're swimming in Ogres right now:
Ogre
Ogre Ravager
Skullcrusher Ogre
Ogre Mage
Half Fiend Ogre
Half Ogre Barbarian
Ogre Skirmisher
I'm not sure who the "we" of this statement are, but alot of noobs don't have the basics. I'll go through your list...
Please allow me to reword my statement:
"In the past three years of the DDM line, many ogre figures have been released. Based on the list below, I do not feel that another uncommon "standard" ogre is necessary for some time to come."[:)]
To address your specific points:
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Ogre & Ogre Ravager - hard to find and expensive if you do find em.
True, but they can still be had; the DDM line is still pretty young. If you're not willing to pursue them, there are many acceptable substitutes (see below).
[Edit: You could also add the Ogre Warhulk to this list. I forgot that guy]
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Skullcrusher Ogre, Half Fiend Ogre & Half Ogre Barbarian - Not really standard D&D Ogres, the skullcrusher doesn't even look like one from the MM, the other two are halves which don't match either.
1) The only thing wrong with the Half Ogre Barbarian is the word "Half" in its name. By sculpt and appearance it is a perfectly acceptable ogre substitute and it's an Uncommon to boot. One of my former players felt that it looks much more like the ogres of previous editions than the Harbinger Ogre does.
2) The Skullcrusher is a perfect substitute as well for an armored ogre. I don't see what the problem is here.
3) Fair enough, the fiendish version is considerable different if you're seeking a standard ogre.
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Ogre Mage - NOT a basic ogre at all.
Again, fair enough. Many on this thread are calling for an Ogre Shaman- this seems like a perfectly suitable proxy in the meantime.
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Ogre Skirmisher - Ok, it's an ogre female, but now we need a male counterpart to match all of the ones we're gonna get for this.
Again, what's wrong with the Half Ogre Barbarian, Skullcrusher Ogre, Ogre or Ogre Ravager? With WotDQ, we will now have five good ogre proxies to choose from, three of them uncommons from recent sets. I think many are unsatisfied because the Ogre Skirmisher looks female or they don't love the sculpt. IMO, a mixed band of these and Half Ogre Barbarians is perfect if you're looking for a "standard" horde of Ogres.
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The Marrow is a good idea.
Agreed.[:D]
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And a chief or shaman to lead them. [)]
That'd be fun too.
All of this is just my opinion of course![:)]
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 3:36 PM |
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Originally posted by trollbill
Also known as a Trollop.
I see somebody's been reading Robert Asprin's "Myth" novels. [:)] | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 3:39 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
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Ogre Skirmisher - Ok, it's an ogre female, but now we need a male counterpart to match all of the ones we're gonna get for this.
Again, what's wrong with the...Ogre Ravager?
Probably the fact that it too is female.
I'll grant that we have a fair number of Ogre-type minis to date, but I'd still liek to see an unommon "standard" ogre, though not until Unhallowed or the following set. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 3:53 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Again, what's wrong with the Half Ogre Barbarian, Skullcrusher Ogre, Ogre or Ogre Ravager? With WotDQ, we will now have five good ogre proxies to choose from, three of them uncommons from recent sets. I think many are unsatisfied because the Ogre Skirmisher looks female or they don't love the sculpt. IMO, a mixed band of these and Half Ogre Barbarians is perfect if you're looking for a "standard" horde of Ogres.
Well, I guess that's where opinions vary. The Half Ogre Barbarian looks like a big ugly human to me, not an ogre from the MM. The skullcrusher looks like his brother in armour, again too human looking. There's nothing wrong with these sculpts mind you, I like them both and feel that they are very cool - but, they just aren't Ogres.
Again the Ogre and Ogre Ravager are unattainable, especially in large quantities.
Now the Ogre Warhulk, he's great! Coulda used him as an uncommon, maybe if he didn't specialize so much... | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/06/2006 4:01 PM |
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Originally posted by Pegasus Knight
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Originally posted by Sulaco
That or an Ogre Tavern Stripper.
OBJECTION! *Slams hand on desk* That was...objectionable!
Objection overruled. Lots of people are clamoring for a tavern stripper (also referred to by other, less savory titles). Lots of people are clamoring for yet another ogre. Why not make everyone happy and kill two birds with one hideous stone? [:P]
It's not like there haven't been risque minis. I mean, there are two guys in bondage gear (half-orc and human executioners) [:o] | |
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Username
Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 4:03 PM |
| I think the Ogre Skirmisher is just fine for a standard ogre. If the female part bothers, don't look too closely. Otherwise, that empty thread spool could be a great stand-in.
(funny thing is, if there weren't any female ogres, I bet there would be a sob story about that too)
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Originally posted by Schooly_D
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 6:00 PM |
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Originally posted by Username
Otherwise, that empty thread spool could be a great stand-in.
Then why bother with minis at all. No sense in having stand-ins for a generic creature from MMI, I feel we should all have good enough proxies for these. Not just people that got in at the ground floor and hoarded rares. | |
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 6:37 PM |
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Originally posted by greyhaze
Well, I guess that's where opinions vary. The Half Ogre Barbarian looks like a big ugly human to me, not an ogre from the MM. The skullcrusher looks like his brother in armour, again too human looking. There's nothing wrong with these sculpts mind you, I like them both and feel that they are very cool - but, they just aren't Ogres.
Ok, I guess this is where I disagree with you: IMO they are acceptable Ogres.
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Again the Ogre and Ogre Ravager are unattainable, especially in large quantities.
Now the Ogre Warhulk, he's great! Coulda used him as an uncommon, maybe if he didn't specialize so much...
Oh!!! I forgot the Ogre Warhulk, yet another nice looking, perfectly acceptable ogre figure.
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I feel we should all have good enough proxies for these. Not just people that got in at the ground floor and hoarded rares.
Fair enough: I also think it's a good idea to keep DDM accessable to new collectors and players. However, there's a balancing act that needs to be performed between offering new, inovative figures unlike anything we've seen before and offering "resculpts" of classic D&D creatures that have already appeared in previous sets. In the case of Ogres, I would argue that we have plenty of variety and accessability right now from more recent sets (say Deathknell on). I'd prefer that they held off on another Ogre until at least 2-3 sets after WotDQ.
Again, just my 2 cents on the matter. Thanks for reminding me about the War Hulk Greyhaze! | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 6:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Wow, I'm surprised to see all these requests. Personally, I'm Ogred out.No more Ogres please unless it's a Merrow as Dooku suggested or a Half-Dragon Ogre (preferably red). We're swimming in Ogres right now:
Ogre
Ogre Ravager
Skullcrusher Ogre
Ogre Mage
Half Fiend Ogre
Half Ogre Barbarian
Ogre Warhulk [Edit: forgot this one]
Ogre Skirmisher
Thats more Ogres than Gnomes[)]. If you want an uncommon Ogre, you have three options to choose from from recent sets: Skullcrusher, Half Ogre Barbarian, and Ogre Skirmisher. They all make good representatives of what you're requesting, especially the last two. The Ogre Skirmisher is even wild looking and carrying a club. Why do we need an additional figure that looks like this?
Agreed (and I don't even have the 2 first ones).
The only addition I would like would be a shaman ogre. | |
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guacamole
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 7:18 PM |
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Originally posted by jgsugden
How about an ogre with a longspear?
jgsugden, was that really appropriate? ;) | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/06/2006 7:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by guacamole
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Originally posted by jgsugden
How about an ogre with a longspear?
jgsugden, was that really appropriate? ;)
At least as appropriate as a wild-eyed Hill Giant Barbarian tightly gripping his enormous....greatclub. Or humans and half-orcs in bondage gear. [:o]
Besides, an Ogre with Melee Reach 3 could be a beast in skirmish [:D] | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 8:34 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Again, just my 2 cents on the matter. Thanks for reminding me about the War Hulk Greyhaze!
Hey np, I like to play fair.
I'm not looking to oversaturate with Ogres, which we are seriously close to, but those mentioned in this thread a pretty great inclusions, and of course I'm not asking for em all in one set.
1. Ogre Barbarian, male, uncommon
2. Ogre Shaman
3. Ogre Chieftain
4. Merrow
Oh, as for the Half-Ogre and Skullcrusher being "acceptable". Yes, they are "acceptable". But, just not right. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 8:39 PM |
| | I think a standard vanilla properly-scaled ogre with a club as an uncommon is long overdue. None of the other choices we have are quite right (excluding the Harbinger ogre, although to nitpick that thing is way too big) for what is the basic incarnation of the ogre from the MM. Seems a big oversight to me. | |
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turt
Warrior
211 Posts
Canberra, Australia
| | 06/06/2006 9:40 PM |
| My picks in no particular order would be:
Ogre Barbarian
Ogre Skeleton
Ogre Chieftain
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/06/2006 9:50 PM |
| It probably won't help too much, but ever since we got the hill giant barbarians and chieftan, I've been using the Archfiends hill giant as a stereotypical ogre with a club. He's waaaay to small to look right around the modern hill giants, and actually smaller than the Harbinger ogre.
I know, I know, not exactly recent. But in my defense, I am just sayin'.[:D] | |
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Commander
2838 Posts
| | 06/07/2006 12:14 AM |
| Ogres are, admittedly, in abundance. Even the Chainmail one is still readily available.
For that reason, I say we still need the Delver. [:)] | |
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