scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
    
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Holy Moses! Those stats are ungodly!
That Cadaver Collector is just...damn. 120 Fearless HP? Two attacks for 30 damage? Paralysis breath weapon?!
Heck, here's a warband right here:
Half-Orc Fighter (21 pts)
Cadaver Collector (103 pts)
Duergar Champion x2 (66 pts)
Kobold Miner (3 pts)
Goblin Skirmisher x2 (6 pts)
TOTAL: 199 pts, 7 activations.
Wow. | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 9:44 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by scifirules
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Holy Moses! Those stats are ungodly!
That Cadaver Collector is just...damn. 120 Fearless HP? Two attacks for 30 damage? Paralysis breath weapon?!
Heck, here's a warband right here:
Half-Orc Fighter (21 pts)
Cadaver Collector (103 pts)
Duergar Champion x2 (66 pts)
Kobold Miner (3 pts)
Goblin Skirmisher x2 (6 pts)
TOTAL: 199 pts, 7 activations.
Wow.
Then compare that to what Tordek has at only 59 pts! Double Wow. | |
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aron1
Sergeant
415 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 9:54 AM |
| | Sucks for whomever pulls a Slaughterstone Eviscerator in sealed, since it has "Required DWARF Commander" and this set has no dwarf commanders. If I remember sealed correctly, you can name your lowest point creature as a Commander Zero for 5 extra points, but as far as I know you can't change type to dwarf. Hopefully the epic version won't have this limitation (similar to the Iron Golem), so that it's at least partially playable in sealed. | |
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hardinjmm
Sergeant
573 Posts
Madison, WI
| | 06/12/2006 10:16 AM |
| Yeah, Tordek and the Cadavar Collector are pretty hard to argue with. Also, if the Fang Dragon is any hint about how the new dragons will be, then there is at least hope. His BAB is not great, but the fact that he costs so little is a step in the right direction.
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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:24 AM |
| | Do you have the Dragonborn Fighter? | |
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SaintPauli
Warrior
189 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:25 AM |
| Dracolich looks cool but not enough HP. :(
quote:
Originally posted by Tgt
Well, if counterspell still requires the target to be the nearest enemy, it can be easily foiled.
It’s a special ability not a spell.
Rock'n Roll
SaintPauli
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:25 AM |
| | Holy schmoley for the cost that Fang Dragon is a beast. His only weakness is the attack bonus. | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:28 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by aron1
Sucks for whomever pulls a Slaughterstone Eviscerator in sealed, since it has "Required DWARF Commander" and this set has no dwarf commanders. If I remember sealed correctly, you can name your lowest point creature as a Commander Zero for 5 extra points, but as far as I know you can't change type to dwarf. Hopefully the epic version won't have this limitation (similar to the Iron Golem), so that it's at least partially playable in sealed.
In limited format, if you do not have the "X" in the "REQUIRES X" ability, you may use any other creature in your warband to fulfill the requirement. | |
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Kumag
Sergeant
456 Posts
The Philippines
| | 06/12/2006 10:29 AM |
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Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Do you have the Dragonborn Fighter?
And the War Weaver, please? | |
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psistef
Underboss
1572 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:31 AM |
| Wow. I'm impressed.
Speechless impressed.
Some awesome minis there. | |
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MGM
Sneak
116 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:34 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Tgt
Well, if counterspell still requires the target to be the nearest enemy, it can be easily foiled.
No way, there is no "target" worded in the Counterspell SA description, so there is no need to follow the nearest rule. | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:35 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by SaintPauli
Dracolich looks cool but not enough HP. :(
quote:
Originally posted by Tgt
Well, if counterspell still requires the target to be the nearest enemy, it can be easily foiled.
It’s a special ability not a spell.
Rock'n Roll
SaintPauli
Special Abilities still have to target the nearest enemy or ally.
However, I think because the way it is worded, it will not have to target the nearest enemy. It just says cancel a spell as an enemy casts it. Doesn't specify targetting the spell or the caster really. We'll just have to wait for the insert that comes with it to see how it will work.
EDIT: That's what I get for writing a longer response. [)] | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:36 AM |
| I'm also liking that Magma Hurler. It can be brought into CG with the Bonded Fire Summoner (how much does he cost, anyway?). If you include an Inspiring Marshal, you can use Grant Move Action to move the Magma Hurlers into postition to fire off a 30 damage ranged attack.
Oooh! Of the BFS doesn't cost too much, you could use him and the Magma Hurlers with the Nentyar Hunter! [:0]
I'm likin' this set![:D] | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:43 AM |
| So far, I'm really liking the Corpse Collector and Dracolich. Spellscale Sorcerer is definitely an excellent tech piece for Epic, and maybe even 200 as well.
I'm a little disappointed with the Slaughterstone Eviscerator. +10?
Thanks for posting the stats, KMK. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:44 AM |
| | My guess is that Counterspell will be similar to Turn Undead and will target the nearest enemy spellcaster. | | | |
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Wraithborne
Warlord
5278 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 06/12/2006 10:45 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XenoZephyr
quote:
Originally posted by Wraithborne
Wow, thanks a lot for posting these!!!
I must admit to being a bit disappointed that Tordek is Independent, other than that, most look promising. I'm really digging the Magma Hurler.
Do you mean Unique? Independent is a good thing.
For some reason, I have always had an idea that independent meant you were immune to commander effects, but checking the rules, I see it's not there. I'm not really sure where I got that from. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 10:58 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Janos M.
some Variant of my european Championship warband:
2xWemic 106
IM 29
Spellscale Sorceror 31
2xGraycloak 30
2xT-Wolf 0
Elf Warrior oder Jozan 4
Spellscale Sorcerer does look pretty good. Whether the counterspells work as planned or not, you've still got enfeeblements/ sleeps and blurs/melfs to play with. | |
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memphisto
Warrior
213 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:11 AM |
| Dude. Cadaver Collector. That thing's worth its cost for sure.
Tordek looks great as well, and the Fang Dragon is no slouch either. Heck for that matter, the Ogre Skirmisher has spring attack, skirmish attack and mobility. Very interesting options for CE. Things will be changing a bit...
Very happy with these spoilers. Thanks for posting them! | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:16 AM |
| Hmmm... Counterspell looks very interesting. I wonder exactly how it works. Does it use the figures activation up as an "immediate" action? Or can it still activate normally? Can it still use counterspell if it has already actiavted?
Hrm... I see some excelent figures for LG and LE... where is the CG love!
Pat E | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
855 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:19 AM |
| If I can make a request for the Aspects of Tiamat and Bahamut, that would be great.
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:29 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Hmmm... Counterspell looks very interesting. I wonder exactly how it works. Does it use the figures activation up as an "immediate" action? Or can it still activate normally? Can it still use counterspell if it has already actiavted?
Hrm... I see some excelent figures for LG and LE... where is the CG love!
Pat E
Just check the rulebook on the definition of immediate. No, it does not use up any activation. Yes, can still counterspell after activation. | |
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azuretide
Sergeant
407 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:32 AM |
| | I'm really excited to see the green dragon stats maybe he'll post those later :) | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:44 AM |
| | I love the corpse gathering special ability. It isn't a waste to send THAT titan after tilegrabbers, wandering monsters, or scouts. Every Kobold Miner your opponent fields is a cumulative +1 AC. Mwa Ha HA! | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:46 AM |
| I like the dire rate as well, though he's probaby expensive enough that he might not be competitive. He'd work very well with Joint victory area's, but probably won't if he has to go land at a non joint spot. To spent 14 points on him, plus another 3-8 on a tile grabber is going to water down a LE band to much...
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
I like the dire rate as well, though he's probaby expensive enough that he might not be competitive. He'd work very well with Joint victory area's, but probably won't if he has to go land at a non joint spot. To spent 14 points on him, plus another 3-8 on a tile grabber is going to water down a LE band to much...
I like him as well, and agree that he's probably a bit overcosted. With those stats, he's fairly comparable to the WF Scout, in an LE way. I think he should have been ~10 points. | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:51 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XenoZephyr
quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
Hmmm... Counterspell looks very interesting. I wonder exactly how it works. Does it use the figures activation up as an "immediate" action? Or can it still activate normally? Can it still use counterspell if it has already actiavted?
Hrm... I see some excelent figures for LG and LE... where is the CG love!
Pat E
Hmm, thanks, I guess I didn't realize it was already defined. Was this in prep for this special ability, or am I forgetting something that is already in existence?
Pat E
Just check the rulebook on the definition of immediate. No, it does not use up any activation. Yes, can still counterspell after activation.
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 11:53 AM |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/12/2006 12:02 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
quote:
Originally posted by PatEllis15
I like the dire rate as well, though he's probaby expensive enough that he might not be competitive. He'd work very well with Joint victory area's, but probably won't if he has to go land at a non joint spot. To spent 14 points on him, plus another 3-8 on a tile grabber is going to water down a LE band to much...
I like him as well, and agree that he's probably a bit overcosted. With those stats, he's fairly comparable to the WF Scout, in an LE way. I think he should have been ~10 points.
I don’t think he is overcosted because of that VP denial ability. That can make a huge difference in a game. You can essentially get first round tiles and deny your opponent them even if your opponent happens to be on a VP area. That ability is huge, getting tile point advantage can really force your opponent into some bad positions. In my opinion, the rat is priced fairly | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:20 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
I don’t think he is overcastted because of that VP denial ability. That can make a huge difference in a game. You can essentially get first round tiles and deny your opponent them even if your opponent happens to be on a VP area. That ability is huge, getting tile point advantage can really force your opponent into some bad positions. In my opinion, the rat is priced fairly
I'm not sure if the rat is priced fairly or not. I'll have to do some playtesting. It looks like he's worth it if you can land him next to a VP grabber for several turns, but how often will that happen? I think more often, he'll deny the opponent 1 round of points, and then he'll get killed, losing 14 points. | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:26 PM |
| | I don't skirmish, but I'd be damned happy with this set so far if I did...wowzers | |
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DaemonKain
Warrior
312 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:30 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
I don’t think he is overcastted because of that VP denial ability. That can make a huge difference in a game. You can essentially get first round tiles and deny your opponent them even if your opponent happens to be on a VP area. That ability is huge, getting tile point advantage can really force your opponent into some bad positions. In my opinion, the rat is priced fairly
I'm not sure if the rat is priced fairly or not. I'll have to do some playtesting. It looks like he's worth it if you can land him next to a VP grabber for several turns, but how often will that happen? I think more often, he'll deny the opponent 1 round of points, and then he'll get killed, losing 14 points.
I agree, I think that that is exactly how it'll work. The nice thing, though, is that it isn't especially easy to eliminate. A SW or Warforged Scout can't punt it in one turn. This guys is actually a great tech piece against the Titan builds so many people (myself included) have been running and winning with. Round 1 - deny tile to opponent by placing Rat on bridge of Drow Outpost adjacent to tile grabber, gaining ten points on your opponent. Round two, a significant threat has to be dispatched to deal with the rat, and you kill their initial tile grabber. Say theirs is a WF scout. If they kill the Rat and you kill the scout that turn, You've gained 18 VP, to their 14. Sounds like a good trade to me.
Math doesn't work out as well if they have a way to deal with the Rat without committing a titan. Such as if they aren't running a titan build. ;)
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:40 PM |
| Right. It's midnight here...thought I'd add three more before I hit the hay. So I added War Weaver, Clawfoot Rider, Redspawn Firebletcher.
Enjoy you guys! | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:42 PM |
| | Great, Thanks Kissmykiester! | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:43 PM |
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Originally posted by Vash
I don't skirmish, but I'd be damned happy with this set so far if I did...wowzers
I'm primarily a Skimisher only...having said that, I'll post the stats for the minis I think RPGers will go ga ga for.
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AesophDarkfable
Warlord
5628 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:43 PM |
| All three of those are pretty nice. KMK if your still around, the War Weaver is CG? I thought it was LG on the poster...
The firebelcher has some interesting promise. I like the firebelch is pretty sweet and has no save. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:46 PM |
| | You know, the Magma Hurler looks like a powerful ranged unit - 15+15 fire for a 33-point figure? | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:48 PM |
| Speed 8 and Woodland Stride AND mounted Ranged Attack. oooh. He's gonna be fun to play on the King's Road and perhaps some of the Grotto maps (which will probably have Forest terrain).
War Weaver...magic weapon on 3 allies at the start of the turn! Wow...wish this figure was for LE!
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 12:50 PM |
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Originally posted by AesophDarkfable
All three of those are pretty nice. KMK if your still around, the War Weaver is CG? I thought it was LG on the poster...
The firebelcher has some interesting promise. I like the firebelch is pretty sweet and has no save.
My bad. The War Weaver is LG. I'll fix that
Yup. No save on the firebelcher's fire belch ability. | |
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One_Wing
Sergeant
494 Posts
London
| | 06/12/2006 1:03 PM |
| | I knew fang dragon would be quite good, but he is just o_0. Chuck a drow wizard with a pair of those, and maybe a few orc champs, and I can see some nastiness happeneing. Cadavar collector is just awesome. War weaver is interesting, but in the wrong faction for what he does really. MAgma hurler is just humourous for the 30 damage ranged attack. And last but not least, counterspell is really cool. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/12/2006 1:07 PM |
| I am most impressed with this tech.
LG War Weaver 33 pts
Lvl: 8
Spd: 6
AC : 15
HP : 35
Melee Attk: +3(5)
Type: Humanoid - Human
Special Abilities
Eldritch Tapestry (when casting a touch spell, this
creature can affect itself and up to 3 adjacent allies
instead of the spell's normal target)
Spells
1st Magic Weapon [], Snake Swiffness [][]
2nd Bull strength [], Dimension Hop [] (touch; move
target creature 3 squares, DC 14; allies may voluntarily
fail this save)
This mini is insanely good. He can effectively SS 3 allies for 2 turns. I can see this piece almost becoming broken. In fact, LG will have a lot more competitive warbands built around this mini. | |
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