XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
    
 | | 06/12/2006 1:07 PM |
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Originally posted by One_Wing
I knew fang dragon would be quite good, but he is just o_0. Chuck a drow wizard with a pair of those, and maybe a few orc champs, and I can see some nastiness happeneing. Cadavar collector is just awesome. War weaver is interesting, but in the wrong faction for what he does really. MAgma hurler is just humourous for the 30 damage ranged attack. And last but not least, counterspell is really cool.
Yeah, Mialee at 6 points for magic weapon on your Marut or War Weaver at 33 pts. Hmmm. | |
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zephyrstorm
Sergeant
528 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:08 PM |
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Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
This mini is insanely good. He can effectively SS 3 allies for 2 turns. I can see this piece almost becoming broken. In fact, LG will have a lot more competitive warbands built around this mini.
SS is not a touch spell (range 6). He can't use the tapestry with SS. | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:09 PM |
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Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
I am most impressed with this tech.
LG War Weaver 33 pts
Lvl: 8
Spd: 6
AC : 15
HP : 35
Melee Attk: +3(5)
Type: Humanoid - Human
Special Abilities
Eldritch Tapestry (when casting a touch spell, this
creature can affect itself and up to 3 adjacent allies
instead of the spell's normal target)
Spells
1st Magic Weapon [], Snake Swiffness [][]
2nd Bull strength [], Dimension Hop [] (touch; move
target creature 3 squares, DC 14; allies may voluntarily
fail this save)
This mini is insanely good. He can effectively SS 3 allies for 2 turns. I can see this piece almost becoming broken. In fact, LG will have a lot more competitive warbands built around this mini.
Snake Swiftness is not a touch spell so Eldritch Tapestry will not affect it. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:09 PM |
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Originally posted by XenoZephyr
Speed 8 and Woodland Stride AND mounted Ranged Attack. oooh. He's gonna be fun to play on the King's Road and perhaps some of the Grotto maps (which will probably have Forest terrain).
Only if there's a rule change -- as it stands, Woodland Stride doesn't help in forest terrain.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=648819 | | | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:09 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
I am most impressed with this tech.
LG War Weaver 33 pts
Lvl: 8
Spd: 6
AC : 15
HP : 35
Melee Attk: +3(5)
Type: Humanoid - Human
Special Abilities
Eldritch Tapestry (when casting a touch spell, this
creature can affect itself and up to 3 adjacent allies
instead of the spell's normal target)
Spells
1st Magic Weapon [], Snake Swiffness [][]
2nd Bull strength [], Dimension Hop [] (touch; move
target creature 3 squares, DC 14; allies may voluntarily
fail this save)
This mini is insanely good. He can effectively SS 3 allies for 2 turns. I can see this piece almost becoming broken. In fact, LG will have a lot more competitive warbands built around this mini.
I didn't think that Snakes Swiftness was Touch. Might be wrong. | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:10 PM |
| Spotted a boo boo, folks. The DC and Stunning attk for the Large Fang Dragon is 16 NOT 18. Sorry about that.
Also, Snake Swiffness isn't a touch spell or is it? It's Dimension Hop that really rocks and that's a touch spell. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:14 PM |
| | Kiss, I'll send you a case of Jolt if you'll stay up and give us all the spoilers you have [:D] | | | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/12/2006 1:15 PM |
| You guys are right, I just got too excited! No triple SS at a time! :( , well that would have been too broken so I am glad I was corrected
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zephyrstorm
Sergeant
528 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:15 PM |
| | I think the mini I'm most hoping to see, oddly enough, is the Dragonwrought Kobold... So if you're taking requests, that's mine! [:D] | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
quote:
Originally posted by XenoZephyr
Speed 8 and Woodland Stride AND mounted Ranged Attack. oooh. He's gonna be fun to play on the King's Road and perhaps some of the Grotto maps (which will probably have Forest terrain).
Only if there's a rule change -- as it stands, Woodland Stride doesn't help in forest terrain.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=648819
Well, I see a rule change coming up then. Adding an ability that doesn't currently work wouldn't make much sense. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/12/2006 1:19 PM |
| | Back to the War Weaver, His Dimension Hop may be most effective, Like a small GMA. I still think he is a great tech piece. | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:20 PM |
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Originally posted by XenoZephyr
Well, I see a rule change coming up then. Adding an ability that doesn't currently work wouldn't make much sense.
Agreed, and I hope it's addressed before the pre-release. | | | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 06/12/2006 1:22 PM |
| | Several of those minis have interesting skirmish stats. | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by XenoZephyr
quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
quote:
Originally posted by XenoZephyr
Speed 8 and Woodland Stride AND mounted Ranged Attack. oooh. He's gonna be fun to play on the King's Road and perhaps some of the Grotto maps (which will probably have Forest terrain).
Only if there's a rule change -- as it stands, Woodland Stride doesn't help in forest terrain.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=648819
Well, I see a rule change coming up then. Adding an ability that doesn't currently work wouldn't make much sense.
Sorry but hopefully this clears it up. On the card it states -
Woodland Stride (Not slowed by difficult terrain on maps whose name contains Forest, jungle or Terrain)Will add this to the Clawfoot.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
Back to the War Weaver, His Dimension Hop may be most effective, Like a small GMA. I still think he is a great tech piece.
I think he'll definitely be one of those minis that falls into the "worth his points, but tricky to use" category.
Firebelcher looks pretty good. 20 damage with no save is nice. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:27 PM |
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Originally posted by Ridureyu
You know, the Magma Hurler looks like a powerful ranged unit - 15+15 fire for a 33-point figure?
That's what I was thinking. The Bonded Fire Summoner can bring the Magma Hurlers into CG, where they could be used with the Nentyar Hunter (as long as the BFS doesn't cost too much- less than 40 points). Even if there's no room for fodder or tile grabbers with BFS/Nentyar Hunter/Magma Hurler x3, the Fire Summoner can summon three Small Fire Elementals.
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lurkinglidda
Warrior
231 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:32 PM |
| this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/12/2006 1:33 PM |
| Magma Hurler will often be attacking at +3 (15 + 15 fire). No precise shot and nothing to counter cover... on a speed 6 figure with slow ranged attack?
He looks cool, but cool is not what you need from a Magma Hurler. You need hot.
I'm really seeing a problem for the prerelease. Some rares will be awesome in the prerelease (Cadavor Collector, Spellscale Sorcerer, War Weaver, Tordek, etc...) while others will be completely useless (Magma Hurler, Large Fang Dragon, Slaughterstone Eviscerator, etc...) primarily due to low ABs. | |
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:35 PM |
| | Kissmykiester, if these were pulled out of a booster, was there a rules insert? If so, think ya can reproduce it here? | |
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:38 PM |
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Originally posted by lurkinglidda
this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
thx
Man, this really is the great leak scare of Dickity-ought-six | |
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johnny.quest
Underboss
1386 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:41 PM |
| | We've had stats leaked for every set since I've joined this site. Why is this any different? | | | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:44 PM |
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Originally posted by johnny.quest
We've had stats leaked for every set since I've joined this site. Why is this any different?
Probably the timing. It's not out for another 3 weeks. It is a bit early to get complete stats on the whole set this soon. Or perhaps she knows the source that this came from as well. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
We've had stats leaked for every set since I've joined this site. Why is this any different?
It might be too early. We don't usually get spoilers until one week before the pre-release. | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:45 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by johnny.quest
We've had stats leaked for every set since I've joined this site. Why is this any different?
It's maybe marginally early, but this isn't a huge stat-leak anyways. With 3 weeks (or whatever to go) stuff is going to start spilling out anyways. | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
855 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:47 PM |
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Originally posted by lurkinglidda
this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
thx
Thr strangle hold you guys are attempting to establish on leaks that are largely WotCs fault is just annoying.
If Maxminis bows to it, I may be done here. | | | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/12/2006 1:53 PM |
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Originally posted by lurkinglidda
this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
thx
I think those of us that want to follow the wishes of WotC would appreicate some guidance. When will it be cool for people to release stats? In the past, the rule has always been: as soon as you can get your hands on them without breaking an NDA. What woul WotC like the rule to be? | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:54 PM |
| | I hope we're not going to go back to trying not to discuss things we've seen. That's just depressing. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/12/2006 1:56 PM |
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Originally posted by Gnolaum
...Thr strangle hold you guys are attempting to establish on leaks that are largely WotCs fault is just annoying.
If Maxminis bows to it, I may be done here.
WotC does a lot for us. It isn't too much for them to ask us to respect our wishes with regards to leaks on Maxminis. They spend a lot of time and effort figuring out how to release information in a way that best promotes DDM. These leaks reduce the benefit to the line, and turn that time into wasted effort. If they think it is important to DDM to try to curtail these leaks on Maxminis, then we should listen to them. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Benimoto
I hope we're not going to go back to trying not to discuss things we've seen. That's just depressing.
Depressing?! That would be utterly miserable!
Must..have...spoilers! | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 1:58 PM |
| Maybe of Wizards allowed us to discuss the stats we're seen, but anyone didn't release any others?
OK, shoot me now. | |
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SneakyJoeKDB
Sergeant
593 Posts
Utah
| | 06/12/2006 1:59 PM |
| Just let it out! What does it hurt? If anything it builds more excitement for the pre-release. More excitement and anticipation will more than likely equal more participation.
KEEP IT COMING KISS! | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/12/2006 2:04 PM |
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Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
Just let it out! What does it hurt? If anything in builds more excitement for the pre-release. More excitement and anticipation will more than likely equal more participation.
KEEP IT COMING KISS!
YOu just explained why they should *NOT* want to see the stats released now. It builds excitement when you release stats. When do you want people excited about a set? When it hits the shelves, or a month away from when it hits the shelves? One month is plenty of time for people to go goo-goo, then lose interest.
WotC thinks leaks will reduce sales. Reduced sales (eventually) means reduced support for the game and less resources devoted to quality. I think we can be patient for a few weeks... | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
855 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:05 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
quote:
Originally posted by Gnolaum
...Thr strangle hold you guys are attempting to establish on leaks that are largely WotCs fault is just annoying.
If Maxminis bows to it, I may be done here.
WotC does a lot for us. It isn't too much for them to ask us to respect our wishes with regards to leaks on Maxminis. They spend a lot of time and effort figuring out how to release information in a way that best promotes DDM. These leaks reduce the benefit to the line, and turn that time into wasted effort. If they think it is important to DDM to try to curtail these leaks on Maxminis, then we should listen to them.
As I've recently learned, just because the leak isn't discussed on maxminis, doesn't mean that it isn't available on the internet.
If WotC really doesn't like leaks, then they need to make sure they don't make stupid mistakes and release the stats to anyone that isn't under an NDA.
If it is out in the public, then trying to enforce your will onto maxminis will just make users go elsewhere is maxminis bows to it. Some of us have the skills and resources to replace maxminis if it becomes too much of an issue. | | | |
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ShivanWurm
Sergeant
500 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:07 PM |
| | Thank you Kissmykiester for the stats! | |
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Maimonides
Sneak
100 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:09 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
quote:
Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB
Just let it out! What does it hurt? If anything in builds more excitement for the pre-release. More excitement and anticipation will more than likely equal more participation.
KEEP IT COMING KISS!
YOu just explained why they should *NOT* want to see the stats released now. It builds excitement when you release stats. When do you want people excited about a set? When it hits the shelves, or a month away from when it hits the shelves? One month is plenty of time for people to go goo-goo, then lose interest.
WotC thinks leaks will reduce sales. Reduced sales (eventually) means reduced support for the game and less resources devoted to quality. I think we can be patient for a few weeks...
If we see stats soon enough, we can cool our heads down and spend only adequate money on the first few cases and single minis and that is a good think. You wouldn't want to see us spending more than we can afford and subsequently getting into trouble, would you? | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:14 PM |
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Originally posted by lurkinglidda
this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
thx
It was never my intention to hurt or compromise WOTC in any way. Having done so, please accept my sincere apologizes. I honestly thought I was helping. I really love this game, my wallet can attest to that fact.
To the Maxmini community - I've got to respect their wishes. I thought 3 weeks to the release was cool for spoilers. It's not. Sorry, but no more spoilers. But hey, you've got a bunch of stats that ought to keep you happy for the next 3 weeks. And let me tell you, the rest of the set is pretty freakin' awesome and I hardly even touch the Epics, wait till you see them, you'll burst. There's soooooo much more fun and cool minis coming.
Please, please, please respect my privacy and not send me hate mail of anykind. Or ask me to reveal any more stats. I hope to God I haven't made a mess of things for WOTC.
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:16 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
quote:
Originally posted by lurkinglidda
this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
thx
I think those of us that want to follow the wishes of WotC would appreicate some guidance. When will it be cool for people to release stats? In the past, the rule has always been: as soon as you can get your hands on them without breaking an NDA. What woul WotC like the rule to be?
The thing that's starting to bug me about all this is that they don't give us said guidance. They tell us "figure it out on your own" (as we should) then "ho-hum" when more leaks get revealed anyway.
They don't even really tell us why the leaks are bad. Take this as an example. Stats leaked, KMK followed forums rules in posting them, we're suddenly told said leak is bad, if KMK got them in some way the did not involve personally breaking an NDA then there should be no problem with posting them. Yet here we are having this discussion again, and we don't even really know why. | |
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Gnolaum
Sergeant
855 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kissmykiester
quote:
Originally posted by lurkinglidda
this isn't cool. the damage is done, but if we could remove the link anyway i'd appreciate it.
thx
It was never my intention to hurt or compromise WOTC in any way. Having done so, please accept my sincere apologizes. I honestly thought I was helping. I really love this game, my wallet can attest to that fact.
To the Maxmini community - I've got to respect their wishes. I thought 3 weeks to the release was cool for spoilers. It's not. Sorry, but no more spoilers. But hey, you've got a bunch of stats that ought to keep you happy for the next 3 weeks. And let me tell you, the rest of the set is pretty freakin' awesome and I hardly even touch the Epics, wait till you see them, you'll burst. There's soooooo much more fun and cool minis coming.
Please, please, please respect my privacy and not send me hate mail of anykind. Or ask me to reveal any more stats. I hope to God I haven't made a mess of things for WOTC.
If you really feel that way, then clear your first post... | | | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/12/2006 2:17 PM |
| | I think 3 weeks before is reasonable enough for the stats. | |
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