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06/16/2006 10:00 AM  
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[quote][i]Meepo is nothing to write home about, Drizzt is terribly overpriced and competitive, so paying a premium to bring them into CG doesnt make a lot of sense.


I've got to disagree here. Meepo is money--especially for a drizz't band. At +13/+8 for 15 damage, Meepo is pretty much as good as it gets for a LG 30 point beater in attack and damage. He's not too bad for CG either. (Since CG is also short 30ish beaters other than Rikka). Toss Drizz't on top of that and he's money.


Except you're paying roughly 90 points for a crap unit. DEspite what fans want to believe, Drizzt isnt a good unit. For 120 points, you can do much better.

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06/16/2006 10:11 AM  
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37 points of tile grabbers/activations.

That will be a warband that can do some damage... and turtle up pretty well...

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06/16/2006 10:30 AM  
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Although, these last few spoilers havent been much to look at, the WereRat Rogue looks to be an aggressively costed 9 point mini. Looks like a solid 9 point option for LE.



Yep, and there's really nothing else LE has in that point range.

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06/16/2006 10:39 AM  
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Originally posted by SneakyJoeKDB

Although, these last few spoilers havent been much to look at, the WereRat Rogue looks to be an aggressively costed 9 point mini. Looks like a solid 9 point option for LE.



Yep, and there's really nothing else LE has in that point range.



Ummm... the old reliable Barbarian Merc has been there since Dragoneye. [)]


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06/16/2006 10:39 AM  
yup! Wererat rogue is better than Hobgob impailer, he only loses 3 ac and mobility.

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06/16/2006 10:41 AM  
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Yep, and there's really nothing else LE has in that point range.
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Ummm... the old reliable Barbarian Merc has been there since Dragoneye. [)]


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Only have 1 of those, and it does NOT have sneak attack... [:p]

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06/16/2006 10:46 AM  
Faerie fire - why don't drow have that?!

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06/16/2006 11:06 AM  
WEW: Perfect example of built in conservatism with new spells/abilities.

I'd have expected this figure to be priced this way had this guy been published in archfiends, or GoL. As it stands, he'd be an excellent piece if he had scout, and cost 20 points. 20 points is probably low enough to take the chance, and with scout, and 65 hit points, he'd hold the bridge long enough for reinforcements to arrive...

34 points?! I'm left shaking my head...

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06/16/2006 11:09 AM  
Just making sure the Blue barnys Outsider and dragon Slayser both work together so they should be Hitting AoB and AoT for 40+ right?

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06/16/2006 11:13 AM  
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Just making sure the Blue barnys Outsider and dragon Slayser both work together so they should be Hitting AoB and AoT for 40+ right?



Yuppers.


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06/16/2006 11:28 AM  
Yup. The War Weaver is the Arcane Ballista's best friend.

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06/16/2006 11:29 AM  
IN the "commander 8!" topic @ skirmish discussion, someone posted Barney stats with cleave. Could someone double check this?

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06/16/2006 11:35 AM  
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IN the "commander 8!" topic @ skirmish discussion, someone posted Barney stats with cleave. Could someone double check this?



No Cleave.

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06/16/2006 11:37 AM  
Barney is Fearless!!!!!!

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06/16/2006 11:41 AM  
BTW Are we going to see non epic Blackguard on nightmare?

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06/16/2006 12:21 PM  
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Faerie fire - why don't drow have that?!

Because it would make Each Drow cost 1-2 more points (or something like that)


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06/16/2006 12:32 PM  
So, what's the mystery 4th Epic

Blackguard
Tordek
Slaughterstone
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06/16/2006 12:33 PM  
Wow again. [:0] More stats. [^]

I like the Blackguard on Nightmare. But its cost of 68 pts may be a little high. [V]

Cleric of Laogzed looks, interesting.


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06/16/2006 12:36 PM  
Hm, does the non-epic blackguard really not fly?

Lucky is great! I've been waiting for an ability like this for a while. Hopefully we'll see it on a 30-60 point creature in the future.

Poison Dusk Lizardfolk has no ranged attack? Aaargh!

I was really counting on the Yuan-Ti and Cleric of Laogzed being commanders. Now, we have a very small number of commanders, which is going to be rough for limited games.

That's 8 total commanders:
Aspect of Bahamut
Aspect of Tiamat
Displacer Beast Pack Lord
Blackguard on Nightmare
Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat
Warden of the Wood
Bonded Fire Summoner
Cleric of Syreth

CE doesn't even get a commander!

Thanks again for the hard work, KMK. The figures still missing are Demonic Gnoll Archer, Dragonwrought Kobold, and the epic stats for the fourth non-huge epic figure.

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06/16/2006 12:36 PM  
Thanks for all the work, KMK! I think the only one missing is the Demonic Gnoll Archer and the 4th epic?

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06/16/2006 12:37 PM  
And nothing really inpresses me in the new set of stats. The Yuan-ti gives another nice factor for poison themed bands

Epic Poison Band

Yuan-Ti Sorcerer 51
Yuan-Ti Abbomination 48
Huge Fiendish Spider ?
Drow Arachnomancer 52
other poison inducing fodder

Would give an added +10 damage on any poison (barring acid immunity) with a +4 to the DC.

Sounds kinda fun and casual, but it's getting there.

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06/16/2006 12:39 PM  
What did I tell ya? On a whole this set ROCKS!!! From a totally skimish Point of view this is how I humbly broke down the set--

Competive minis for 200pt or 500pt
Tordak
Aspect of Bahamut
Aasimar Fighter
Meepo (Warband morale +2; although conditional)
Golden protector
Slaughterstone Eviserator
Bonded Fire Summoner
War Weaver
Spellscale sorcerer
Small Copper Dragon
Warden of the Wood
Huge Fire Elemental
Azer Fighter
War Ape
Bluespawn Godslayer
Aspect of Tiamat
Diseased Dire Rat
Cadaver Collector
Dracolich
Greenspawn Razorfiend
Eldritch Giant
Dread Warrior
Large Green Dragon
Witchknife (Spell Silencer)
Small Black Dragon
Redspawn Firebelcher
Ogre Skimisher
Sorcerer on Black Dragon
Small Fire Elemental
Tundra Scout


Minis with potential and needs playtesting ; Tier 2 maybe
Doom Fist Monk (He has Evade Damage)
Griffon Cavalry (although I think this will be a sleeper hit)
Storm Archer
Black Guard on Nightmare (same as Griffon Cavalry)
Displacer Beast Pack Lord
Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat (Uthok's half brother)
Cloudreaver
Blackspawn Exterminator
Hunting Hyena
Yuan-ti Sorcerer
Demonic Gnoll Archer

Not necessarily Tier 1 but soooo much fun (for RPGers too)
Tavern Brawler
Purple Worm
Huge Fiendish Spider
Mountain Troll
Stirge (Althoug I might be wrong in placing it in this category)
Whitespawn Hordeling
Twig Blight

Luke warm
Kobold Zombie
Poison Dusk Lizardfolk
Wererat Rouge
Dragonwrought Kobold

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06/16/2006 12:40 PM  
Excellent. Now I know what to buy for WotDQ. Thank you again, KmK!

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06/16/2006 12:40 PM  
I think I'll try to include the Cloudreaver in my warband, just so I can do my best Napolean Dynamite impersonation when I use his ability.

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06/16/2006 12:43 PM  
Yuan Ti Sorcerer is a Commander 3 - how'd I miss that???

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06/16/2006 12:43 PM  
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Thanks for all the work, KMK! I think the only one missing is the Demonic Gnoll Archer and the 4th epic?



We're down to missing just: Dragonwrought Kobold, Demonic Gnoll Archer, and the 4th non-Huge Epic. So close! Thanks, KMK!

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06/16/2006 12:43 PM  
i'm glad the trog cleric isn't a commander. I can't wait to add him to my weak-ass (but fun) LE trog band.

Doom fist monk might be interesting since he benefits from urthok.


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06/16/2006 12:45 PM  
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Yuan Ti Sorcerer is a Commander 3 - how'd I miss that???


What's its commander effect?

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06/16/2006 12:53 PM  
Is the Nightmare/HBG in the XML thread the Epic one @ 195pts?

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06/16/2006 12:53 PM  
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Yuan Ti Sorcerer is a Commander 3 - how'd I miss that???


What's its commander effect?




I've updated the list...followers get attack +2 and damage +5 against poisoned enemies.

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06/16/2006 12:53 PM  
Hmmm I like the Gnoll Archer

And the CE of the Yuan-Ti fits in nicely with my band above.

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06/16/2006 12:55 PM  
Has the Tundra Scout been revealed yet? Is that this 4 huge mini that everyone's talking about?

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06/16/2006 12:57 PM  
No, there are apparently 4 Non-Huge Epics floating about somewhere, and we know only three. Tundra Scout being a Huge of course, and we've already seen that one.

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06/16/2006 1:08 PM  
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No, there are apparently 4 Non-Huge Epics floating about somewhere, and we know only three. Tundra Scout being a Huge of course, and we've already seen that one.



Well...Large isn't huge right?

So that's Tordak (M), Slaugherstone Eviserator (L), Blackguard on Nightmare (L) and Griffon Cavalry (L)...is that Right?

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06/16/2006 1:10 PM  
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quote:
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No, there are apparently 4 Non-Huge Epics floating about somewhere, and we know only three. Tundra Scout being a Huge of course, and we've already seen that one.



Well...Large isn't huge right?

So that's Tordak (M), Slaugherstone Eviserator (L), Blackguard on Nightmare (L) and Griffon Cavalry (L)...is that Right?

The griffon Calvary is the other one?[?]

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06/16/2006 1:12 PM  
Too bad the Demonic Gnoll Archer is a commander. Otherwise he would be even sweeter with the Yuan-ti Half-blood Sorcerer.


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06/16/2006 1:13 PM  
Griffon cav has epic version? want to see that 1! [:0]
Thanks for the non epic Black guard! [:D]

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06/16/2006 1:22 PM  
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quote:
Originally posted by Vash

No, there are apparently 4 Non-Huge Epics floating about somewhere, and we know only three. Tundra Scout being a Huge of course, and we've already seen that one.



Well...Large isn't huge right?

So that's Tordak (M), Slaugherstone Eviserator (L), Blackguard on Nightmare (L) and Griffon Cavalry (L)...is that Right?



If that's the case you haven't shown us the Giffon's Epic stats yet

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