Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
    
 | | 06/16/2006 1:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by djtool
i'm glad the trog cleric isn't a commander. I can't wait to add him to my weak-ass (but fun) LE trog band.
Heheh, same here. They'll pair up nicely with undead. Immune stench, negative healing, +5 damage... sweeeeet. | |
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Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
That's 8 total commanders:
Aspect of Bahamut
Aspect of Tiamat
Displacer Beast Pack Lord
Blackguard on Nightmare
Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat
Warden of the Wood
Bonded Fire Summoner
Cleric of Syreth
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Yuan-ti Sorcerer | |
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Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60,
Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Felagund
Sergeant
922 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:35 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
That's 8 total commanders:
Aspect of Bahamut
Aspect of Tiamat
Displacer Beast Pack Lord
Blackguard on Nightmare
Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat
Warden of the Wood
Bonded Fire Summoner
Cleric of Syreth
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Yuan-ti Sorcerer
Yep, those were revealed as commanders after my post. Ten commanders is better, but still not great. A lot of folks are probably going to have to use commander 0. Which is even more brutal than normal for epic. You really don't want your Mountain Troll or Purple Worm routing. | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:44 PM |
| We're still missing the Dragonwrought Kobold.
Very happy with CoLaogzed - he can be pulled into LE by Cap'n Stinkybritches or by Red Wizard. Y-T Sorceress is fun too - give any CE ranger Poison? Who are the best candidates? Makes me want a High Priestess of Merrshaulk!
My new favorite LE band is likely to be the Mounted Blackguard + Steel Predator. She can keep up with the Tin Kitty so you actually get to use Tyrannical Morale.
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:47 PM |
| | Oops... isn't the Wizened TreeGuy dual factioned? CG/CE? | | | |
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Tooninki
Warrior
272 Posts
Finland
| | 06/16/2006 1:48 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kithmaker
Wait, does the Blackguard on Nightmare not have flight???
Well the epic one does have flight, and a breath weapon and a ton of other stuff that non epic one dont have... [:(] | |
Life is...
Vindicated AtG shot: Shadow Giant (Death Titan)
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:52 PM |
| Need epic Griffon Cavalry!
The CoL is awesome, and I love that I can get a very 'dogmatic' feel from him being a devout follower of his god. Even if it stuns him, I like the fact that "Eater of the Dead" is on there. | |
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:54 PM |
| Ok, I think I may have missed this... who is the fourth epic card after tordek, slaughterstone, and the blackguard?
(edit: if it is the griffon cavalry, I'm glad CG didnt get completely shut out) | |
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zephyrstorm
Sergeant
528 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:55 PM |
| | XML Page updated. All that's left is the Dragonwrought Kobold and the last non-huge epic (Griffon Cavalry reportedly). | |
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Duke of Spoils
greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 1:57 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kithmaker
Wait, does the Blackguard on Nightmare not have flight???
nope. http://maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21767 | |
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/16/2006 2:12 PM |
| If the Griffon Cavalry is indeed the last Epic we finally know all figures!
much obliged KMK!
D. | |
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sienar
Sergeant
640 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 2:17 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
That's 8 total commanders:
Aspect of Bahamut
Aspect of Tiamat
Displacer Beast Pack Lord
Blackguard on Nightmare
Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat
Warden of the Wood
Bonded Fire Summoner
Cleric of Syreth
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Yuan-ti Sorcerer
Yep, those were revealed as commanders after my post. Ten commanders is better, but still not great. A lot of folks are probably going to have to use commander 0. Which is even more brutal than normal for epic. You really don't want your Mountain Troll or Purple Worm routing.
One out of six is not that bad of a ratio for commanders. What we want is to have one uncommon slot all/most all commanders and we're set. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/16/2006 2:22 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Kissmykiester
...Well...Large isn't huge right?
So that's Tordak (M), Slaugherstone Eviserator (L), Blackguard on Nightmare (L) and Griffon Cavalry (L)...is that Right?
We have not seen the epic stats for the Griffon Cavalry if it is our 4th normal/epic figure. Do you have those? | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7715 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:05 PM |
| | And the dragonwrought kobold, I believe these are the last two. | |
Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers
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Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:15 PM |
| | A halfing i know did tell me that the Griffon is the 4th Epic he dose not have the stats however... | |
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Gloom_
Sergeant
583 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:39 PM |
| Ooh I like the Mounted Nightmare, prettymuch what I hoped for :)
Thanks to Kiss, for revealing all these stats.. appreciation! | |
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kingnanu
Warrior
214 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:56 PM |
| I didn't think Faire Fire had a save in the RPG. Why would they give it one in the skirmmish game?
I really like Blue Barney and the Mountain Troll. I wouldn't mind pulling either one of those in the Prerelease. Personally I hope I pull Bahamut and Barney. That would make my day! | |
Called shot for blood war: Leonal | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 3:59 PM |
| | The Blackguard seems to be on the high end of point cost, but still looks pretty nice when it comes to it. It looks like a great peice, but only time will tell if it gets used at all. Thats just a lot of peices to sink into it, when the other Blackguard seems to be almost as good, for 20+ less points. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 06/16/2006 4:20 PM |
| So, there's still hope for the Cavalry [:D]
I'm more intrigued by the dragonwrought (which will suck just to mock me) than the epic griff, but with only two sets of stats un-spoiled, this is a very, very leaky set (War of the Spoiler Queen)[:D] | |
Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie?
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taliesin
Underboss
1113 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 6:12 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
quote:
Originally posted by greyhaze
quote:
Originally posted by Felagund
That's 8 total commanders:
Aspect of Bahamut
Aspect of Tiamat
Displacer Beast Pack Lord
Blackguard on Nightmare
Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat
Warden of the Wood
Bonded Fire Summoner
Cleric of Syreth
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Yuan-ti Sorcerer
Yep, those were revealed as commanders after my post. Ten commanders is better, but still not great. A lot of folks are probably going to have to use commander 0. Which is even more brutal than normal for epic. You really don't want your Mountain Troll or Purple Worm routing.
I think 6 of those 10 are uncommons. Depending on how they are slotted, getting a commander in 2 boosters shouldn't be too hard. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/16/2006 6:38 PM |
| Chance of commander in huge slot: 4 in 18 (1 uncommon, 2 rares).
Chance of commander in rare slot: 2 in 18.
Chance of commander in uncommon slot: Not known, but probably 5 in 8 (assuming all 5 are in the same slot).
Chance of not getting a commander in 1 booster: ~26%.
Chance of not getting a commander in 2 boosters: ~6.7%.
About 1 in 15 people at a prerelease will get no commander in either booster under this situation.
If we assume that the uncommon commanders are split up amongst the slots with 3 in one slot and 2 in the other, the odds of not getting them increase to:
Chance of not getting a commander in 1 booster: 32.4~%.
Chance of not getting a commander in 2 boosters: 10.5~%.
About 1 in 9.5 people at a prerelease will get no commander in either booster under this situation.
So, the odds of not getting a commander in the prerelease should be somewhere arount 6.7%, but might be as high as 10.5%. Of course, I can easily imagine not using some of these commanders if I do draw them, so the number of Commander Os might be much higher than 10% of the warbands... | |
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memphisto
Warrior
213 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 6:48 PM |
| Holy cow, jgsugden - can I patent you and carry you around in my watch-calculator?[:p] I need a jgsugden for all my limited tourneys...
Seriously though, nice breakdown. Thanks.[:)] | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 06/16/2006 7:01 PM |
| | If you want to be good at DDM, take a junior college (or above) level statistics class. Understanding probabilities is so important in skirmish strategy... and it comes in handy when you want to know the odds of getting a commander in a limited event, too. | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 06/16/2006 7:33 PM |
| Really like the look of the Demonic Gnoll Archer, Hunting Hyena, Mountain Troll, Yuan-Ti...I might get back into playing with CE after this set.
As much as Barney has been seeing hate, those Skirmish stats just might make ppl love him. | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 7:38 PM |
| | that means we need to be clearn about cmder 0 rules for limited events | |
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XenoZephyr
Underboss
1083 Posts
| | 06/16/2006 9:06 PM |
| | Are they trying to really undo the whole Save=10 thing from GoL. High Level creatures and then they make all this figures (WEW, Trog Cleric) with super low DCs? Weird. | |
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Jax
Sneak
138 Posts
Montreal, Canada
| | 06/17/2006 1:02 AM |
| | Come on KmK, give us the stats of the 167pts flying wonder![:)] | |
http://joepatent.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=25 | |
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
325 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 06/17/2006 1:06 AM |
| And the flying Kobold while you're at it, please.
Still need the little Dragonwrought bugger... | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 06/17/2006 3:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MarioCleanstuff
And the flying Kobold while you're at it, please.
Still need the little Dragonwrought bugger...
indeed, forgot about that one!
D. | |
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Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 06/17/2006 4:19 AM |
| | Hmm.... Meh for me. That Human Foe could serve a purpose tho... | |
My Trading Thread | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/17/2006 6:59 AM |
| CG Wizened Elder Watcher
I like it's new spells, and is more joy for plant/animal armies :) Yay. Really low DC's on the offensive stuff but farie fire is such a classic spell it needs to be in skirmish. Very tree like powers. I actually like it. It's not very
Barny
Cheap monster knda as I expected. Epic mord will bounce lightening off him (shrug). Gonna see a lot of him probably similar to fomorian I reckon.
Dread Warrior
Glad it's not _another_ mob or squad.
Kinda expensive but will see some use in themed play.
Poison Lizzies
Cheap fodder like things that poison. Green enough to fit with Yaun-ti. Nice.
Cloudreaver
Why are pirate jokes funny. They just Arrrrrrrrrrr.
Lucky will be fun quirk for CE.
Whitespawn Hordeling
I'm getting over squad and mob.
Otherwise it's kinda kewl and I guess I wouldn't use more than one anyway.
Twig Blight
Hehehehe. DR 5.
Yuan-Ti Halfblood Sorcerer
Another I like. A lot. Obvious match with YT abomination, though too squishy a centre for more than themed play.
More new spells :) Serpent Arrow should be fun. Lots of poison related joy, but nothing to make constructs or other creatures normally immune to poison suffer :eyebrows:
Stinky Priest
Deific Favor as an ability not as a commander effect. Happy happy joy dance. The trog capt can still bring it over.
Another I see myself using a lot. Plus one set of players are fighting
Demonic Gnoll Archer
Wow. I think. Lots of special abilities, commander effects, more than a bit squish, potential for lots of damage, esp with 1 melee atack anyway for I Eye. Hmmm need to play/ponder on it.
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Besides Barny, not that much for Tier one faction imho out of the last spoils. But lots for the more common themed games I play [:D]
Thanks again Kissmykiester for the typing and the stats.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/17/2006 7:05 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by taliesin
All of the WEW's spells and SA are range 6. It's speed is only 4. It won't be doing much for the first couple of rounds but moving, then it won't be doing anything for the rest of the skirmish, 'cause it'll be dead.
That's cruel. Funny, true, but cruel ;) | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/17/2006 7:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by zenthrus
Looks like the gauntlets are off [:D]
I'd probably lay my bets on SneakyJoe. Then again, I've seen him play.
I`ld also lay odds on SneakyJoe. Not because I`ve seen him play but because he knows what sort of band his opponent is fielding but not vice versa [)] | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/17/2006 7:15 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Gunthar
If teh Faerie fire had no DC it would have been better. I don't see why it needs a DC. It's not a damaging spell, it's a counter.
IIRC You dont get a save against faerie fire in D&D, so is strange they put it there. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/17/2006 7:31 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
If you want to be good at DDM, take a junior college (or above) level statistics class. Understanding probabilities is so important in skirmish strategy... and it comes in handy when you want to know the odds of getting a commander in a limited event, too.
And you tell me this now after all this time I've been wasting (& fingers) trying to bribe your flying ninja monkeys.
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 06/17/2006 7:43 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by doubtofbuddha
Very little room to include a Couatl if you run it with him though. And if you do there is similarly little room for appropriate flankers and such.
I think the Marut and Monks will NOT be the companions of choice for him. He could be a good Ulmo commander maybe, but swarm bands may love him. If LG had a Legions Magic Weapon imagine the raw power of a Sacred Watcher horde with many getting a 25 AC. Of course, any uncovered fliers could make the Cleric's day pretty short too. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 06/17/2006 7:47 AM |
| What about the Dragonwrought Kobold? I think he's still MIA.
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Ethandrul
Warrior
301 Posts
| | 06/17/2006 12:41 PM |
| so, last night i tried the cavelry out. i played horribly- i tried too hard to get his combos out- and passed up some good options. so, i died big time. - my opponent played real well. he knew we were going to test the cavelry- but built as if he didnt know- he used a drow mounted patrol. I did everything wrong- he did everything right. my last piece standing was my cavelry. personally- i think less of him now, but only because he is going to be harder to use then i thought. i teamed him with rikka and half ogre barb. i might have done better with some different pieces.
over all on the piece- C+/B- | |
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Kissmykiester
Sergeant
525 Posts
| | 06/17/2006 12:42 PM |
| Sorry for the delay...added Epic Griffon Cavalry and the Dragonwrought Kobold. Whew...now a much needed beer.
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