orcmonk220
Underboss
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| Looks so damn cool! The clear plastic is used so well, and even the rider looks brill.
Good work Wizards, keep it up. | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 07/02/2006 9:25 AM |
| This is one of the minis that looks better in person than in the pics. It was one of a few minis that I wanted to get first, and I pulled it at the prerelease.
Out of five games, there was really only one in which I played her well. The learning curve is a little tougher than I thought. I forgot that Tyranical Morale is not automatic and you have to declare it before you roll, I was often too hesitant to use Blink Out, and I used Mounted Melee and Smite Good only once each. I do get the sense that once I get the hang of how to use her, she will be very strong. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
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| | 07/02/2006 1:05 PM |
| I believe that the Blackguard and the Sorcerer on Black Dragon could be the two "sleeper's" of the set.
By that, I mean they probably have a larger learning curve than some other pieces. The Sacred Watcher was much the same. It took longer to learn the intricacies of the piece, as well as the best synergies to mesh with it. Take that, as opposed to Marut Couatl, which has obvious use, and is a bit more straightforward. I'm anticipating these piece very much. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 9:01 AM |
| Simple painting tip: take some bright yellow paint and just touch the tips of the mane and tail. It looks a thousand times better. The translucent red fire is only impressive in the right lighting and background conditions.
I played the non-Epic as my Commander in pre-release, and here's what I found:
She's weak in melee - mine survived every game only because I had two Huge titans to distract the opponent with. Use her in constructed with multiple beaters, and use her to take out low-level/fodder/VA grabbers, and she's golden. Don't mistake her for one of your beaters.
Be careful when you Blink Out that you don't end up behind a wall and leave your beaters out of command. Also, the non doesn't Fly, so even when using Blink Out to pass through enemies, she still draws AoOs. Fortunately, with Speed 10 + Mounted Attack, she can usually take the long way around and still be able to swing at something.
As with all Sneak Attackers, try to set up the flank in the first half of your phase, then move her second. Against a flanked Good foe, she can Smite and Sneak Attack once for +17 (25m +5f), which ain't bad.
Memorize the card. Don't attack with her for 3 rounds, then realize too late that she could have used her Smite, or should have been doing Sneak Attack damage.
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hardinjmm
Sergeant
573 Posts
Madison, WI
| | 07/03/2006 10:31 AM |
| | I don't know how she is skirmish wise, but I am really impressed with how the Blackguard turned out, looks wise. | | | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 07/03/2006 2:34 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Teflon Jeff
I believe that the Blackguard and the Sorcerer on Black Dragon could be the two "sleeper's" of the set.
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Blackguard isn't a sleeper, because many good players already have their eye on her in 200 point play. SoB Dragon isn't a top piece... period. It can't cast spells when based (swift spells can't be cast when based... DDM isn't D&D), and it has limited melee capabilities for a 200 point piece. It has some good stuff, but not good enough for the cost. | |
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byrns
Sneak
66 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 4:23 PM |
| I only wish mine wasn't missing her arm. I know I can send it in, but it'll cost me about $6 for me to do so... [:(]
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Thenameless
Warlord
12481 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 07/03/2006 5:01 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Teflon Jeff
I believe that the Blackguard and the Sorcerer on Black Dragon could be the two "sleeper's" of the set.
By that, I mean they probably have a larger learning curve than some other pieces. The Sacred Watcher was much the same. It took longer to learn the intricacies of the piece, as well as the best synergies to mesh with it. Take that, as opposed to Marut Couatl, which has obvious use, and is a bit more straightforward. I'm anticipating these piece very much.
Interesting. I found that the Sorcerer on Black Dragon was actually a relatively easy kill for the points; even with my sub-optimal pulls in the prerelease. I can only imagine what I could do to it in a constructed environment. I can't comment on the Blackguard on Nightmare though as I have yet to play/face one. | |
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cerberuspuppy
Warrior
288 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 10:33 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Orion72
She's weak in melee - mine survived every game only because I had two Huge titans to distract the opponent with. Use her in constructed with multiple beaters, and use her to take out low-level/fodder/VA grabbers, and she's golden. Don't mistake her for one of your beaters.
That's true. She's not supposed to stand and fight in a prolonged engagement. Like most fighting commanders, she's an opportunistic attacker, used to finish something off or help a follower who's in trouble.
Another thing she can do is take out some commanders or key support pieces. It will often be worth using up Blink Out and Smite Good to rout a War Weaver, Inspired Marshall, or Spellscale quickly, then dash back behind her fighters with Mounted Melee Attack. (Makes me wish the non-epic had Aura of Fear.)
Between the aforementioned points, her mobility, and Tyrannical Morale, you've got to use her with multiple hitters to get the most out of her strengths.
I like the Zakya with her because she puts its (otherwise sketchy) morale at 90% success, and she has no trouble keeping up with him. The HH is pretty mobile too, but expensive, especially since he requires adding a DMM for 15 more. Duergar Champs are always good, even better when they only rout on a 1.
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Be careful when you Blink Out that you don't end up behind a wall and leave your beaters out of command. Also, the non doesn't Fly, so even when using Blink Out to pass through enemies, she still draws AoOs. Fortunately, with Speed 10 + Mounted Attack, she can usually take the long way around and still be able to swing at something.
I was curious as to how Incorporeal would combine with Mounted Melee. Doesn't "Incorporeal" include "flight"? If the Epic version, who does fly, uses Mounted Melee, is she subject to AO from her target as she passes through?
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Memorize the card. Don't attack with her for 3 rounds, then realize too late that she could have used her Smite, or should have been doing Sneak Attack damage.
Good advice. It was of course a prerelease, and even with spoilers we aren't all that familiar with the minis. I kept forgetting about one thing or another, and I never had her do half of what she could. I'll be playing this one alot, and hopefully I'll get the hang of it before my friends get sick of seeing her. | |
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orcmonk220
Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 07/04/2006 5:17 AM |
| | My eyes completely skimmed over the mounted melee until the second round at my prerelease. Haha... | |
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 07/04/2006 10:38 AM |
| Gaining Incorporeal does not automatically grant Flight.
Thus, a creature that uses Blink Out that does not already have flight will still provoke AoOs if they move through threatened areas. This was true for the Direguard; I'm sure it's the same here -- which is why the epic Blackguard's Flight is so nice with Mounted Melee Attack. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7695 Posts
| | 07/04/2006 4:25 PM |
| Yep, 200pts is a no fly zone for Blackguard on Nightmare (just like Direguard).
I was impressed with the Ogre Skirmisher, very nice piece with melee reach 2 and spring attack. [:D]
I'm sure I will be equally impressed with BGN and look forward to using her. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 10:15 AM |
| The DDM one is ok but I was hoping for something more like this
[img]http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2042237/i//MEO1121.jpg[/img]
that is an actual mini from magnificent egos; granted, it is metal (tin alloy) and it runs about 20$ but very purdy [:)] | |
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Shoe
Sergeant
804 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 5:08 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glumag
The DDM one is ok but I was hoping for something more like this
[img]http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2042237/i//MEO1121.jpg[/img]
that is an actual mini from magnificent egos; granted, it is metal (tin alloy) and it runs about 20$ but very purdy [:)]
the fire highlights on that mini are incredibly well done - though I know I could never get mine to look as good. (My personal painting skills are somewhere around "main color, wash, drybrush/highlight, pick out details")
I guess if the scale were:
A) Unpainted/primed/solid color
B) Frost Dwarf
C) Yep - looks painted, impresses non-gamers (the Dragonborn Fighter final production piece, Elminster)
D) DDM Paint Masters (professional painting to a budget)
E) The above picture, professional painter, lots of time and TLC.
I'd be firmly a C. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 10:28 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glumag
[img]http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2042237/i//MEO1121.jpg[/img]
Da-ang. That is something else. Abosolutely fantastic. | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 10:31 PM |
| | I'm pretty impressed with the Blackguard, in skirmish and looks wise. For skirmish, she just isnt a great peice for 200, but for epic, she adds a high Tyrannical Morale for a cheap cost if you go the low end version instead of epic. For looks, I definetely like her and think she looks a lot better than the original Human Blackguard we got. | |
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glumag
Warlord
5968 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 11:24 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Shoe
the fire highlights on that mini are incredibly well done - though I know I could never get mine to look as good. (My personal painting skills are somewhere around "main color, wash, drybrush/highlight, pick out details")
I guess if the scale were:
A) Unpainted/primed/solid color
B) Frost Dwarf
C) Yep - looks painted, impresses non-gamers (the Dragonborn Fighter final production piece, Elminster)
D) DDM Paint Masters (professional painting to a budget)
E) The above picture, professional painter, lots of time and TLC.
I'd be firmly a C.
Oh yeah, I meant, sculpt wise not the paint job...that paint job is something else and would be unreallistic to expect something like that for DDM and keep the cost down; but I think the sculpt could have been a reachable goal (within the plastic limitations of course), taking the detail of some of the current DDM we have. | |
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Kalrin
Sneak
90 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 11:55 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by True_Blue
I'm pretty impressed with the Blackguard, in skirmish and looks wise. For skirmish, she just isnt a great peice for 200, but for epic, she adds a high Tyrannical Morale for a cheap cost if you go the low end version instead of epic. For looks, I definetely like her and think she looks a lot better than the original Human Blackguard we got.
I'm keeping my opinion on her in 200 pts. to myself until I get utterly creamed using her.
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gausse
Sergeant
961 Posts
Wisconsin
| | 07/06/2006 3:34 PM |
| | Didn't think I wanted one based on the previews. But it does look cool. Guess I will have to find one. | |
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Warlord
5692 Posts
| | 07/06/2006 3:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by glumag
The DDM one is ok but I was hoping for something more like this
[img]http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2042237/i//MEO1121.jpg[/img]
that is an actual mini from magnificent egos; granted, it is metal (tin alloy) and it runs about 20$ but very purdy [:)]
My eyes just melted.....
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