warchanter
Sergeant
394 Posts
    
Italy
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| | Looking at Dracolich, I came to think that the Zombie White Dragon should get and errata and include in ints TYPE line both undead (as it is now) that dragon. That would make him playable in 200 point games both in LE (via Mina or Talon) and CG (via Dragon totem Hero). That would be sweet (and, logical, in my opionion). Just my two cents. | |
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Venport
Sergeant
739 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 2:08 PM |
| | Should it happen? Sure.... will it happen? No | |
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hardinjmm
Sergeant
573 Posts
Madison, WI
| | 07/03/2006 2:08 PM |
| | I agree, but I doubt that it will happen. | | | |
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FeranEldritchKnight
Sergeant
385 Posts
Kansas City, MO USA
| | 07/03/2006 2:14 PM |
| | That won't happen because a zombie's type changes to undead and does not gain the augmented subtype. Any subtypes are retained, except by alignment and such. Therefore, a ZWD should be Undead (cold) type. | |
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warchanter
Sergeant
394 Posts
Italy
| | 07/03/2006 2:19 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by FeranEldritchKnight
That won't happen because a zombie's type changes to undead and does not gain the augmented subtype. Any subtypes are retained, except by alignment and such. Therefore, a ZWD should be Undead (cold) type.
If that was the case, then why the Dracolich is both undead and dragon? | |
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The Mighty
jai
Commander
3235 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 2:36 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by warchanter
quote:
Originally posted by FeranEldritchKnight
That won't happen because a zombie's type changes to undead and does not gain the augmented subtype. Any subtypes are retained, except by alignment and such. Therefore, a ZWD should be Undead (cold) type.
If that was the case, then why the Dracolich is both undead and dragon?
It is intelligent? | | | |
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Lachlarlan_the_Mad
Sergeant
470 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 3:21 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by warchanter
quote:
Originally posted by FeranEldritchKnight
That won't happen because a zombie's type changes to undead and does not gain the augmented subtype. Any subtypes are retained, except by alignment and such. Therefore, a ZWD should be Undead (cold) type.
If that was the case, then why the Dracolich is both undead and dragon?
Because it has the Augmented Dragon subtype I believe. A Zombie Dragon of any type does not gain the Augmented Dragon subtype. | |
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FeranEldritchKnight
Sergeant
385 Posts
Kansas City, MO USA
| | 07/03/2006 3:40 PM |
| | I don't have the rules for the Dracolich in front of me, but I imagine the dracolich template changes the base creatures type to undead but gain dragon as a subtype instead. On a standard lich, the type simply changes to undead. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 4:08 PM |
| IIRC, the Vampire template also changes to Augmented Type. If so, then if they make the Vampiric Red from Draconomicon as a mini, it would also have Type: Undead - Dragon, and be warbandable by Mina, HToT and DTH.
The difference is that a vampire or lich retains its intelligence, whereas a zombie or skeleton is just brainless flesh and bone. | | | |
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 4:33 PM |
| | Like others have said, it should(at least with my logic, anyway) but it isn't going to happen or at least not soon. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12481 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 07/03/2006 4:44 PM |
| | Related question on a bit of a tangent. If you have a Dracolich for instance which is type Undead (Dragon), would it then have the weaknesses of a dragon if the undead side was immune to it. Hypothetically, let's say something is Undead (Outsider), could it then be banished by the Archmage? I'm pretty sure the undead side would still make it immune to things like stun and paralysis, but how about banishment? | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12481 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 07/03/2006 4:46 PM |
| | Another related question. Can the Dragon Totem Hero bring a Dracolich into its warband? | |
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bigbadjon
Sergeant
546 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 5:07 PM |
| In don't play much DnD but I'll give my 2 cents anyway. I would say a Dragon Zombie was already dead and someone chose to bring it back to life. As such its essence was gone and it is really just reanimated flesh.
The dragon lich on the other hand was probably a living dragon that chose to be undead to retain its power forever (like a humanoid lich). It is still free thinking with its essence still intact.
Thats kind of confusing but I think you get my drift. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 7:40 PM |
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Originally posted by Thenameless
Another related question. Can the Dragon Totem Hero bring a Dracolich into its warband?
It's listed as a Dragon. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/03/2006 7:42 PM |
| | None of the miniatures should have an errata for creature type. It's too confusing having errata on cards. | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 7:46 PM |
| Technically a Dracolich is only of the Undead Type (Draconomicon) but for skirmish the Dragon type is retained due to its intelligence. While it would be nice to use the ZWD in LE or CG it is still just a mass of animated flesh with no brains of its own so I don't want it to have the dragon type.
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 07/03/2006 10:49 PM |
| | I'm happy with how things are personally. Not everything needs to be perfect. Just because the Dracolich can be pulled in, I dont think that justifies the Zombie White being able to be pulled in also. They are two different things to me, even if they are somewhat similar. Just my opinion. | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 07/04/2006 1:22 AM |
| | Oh ZWD is a nice miniature but not in CE, it´s a shame you can´t include this nice blocker in other factions because it is undead and no dragon. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/04/2006 1:43 AM |
| Once we get the oft-dreamt LE Necromancer with Warband Building: Undead, then the ZWD will find a home where it truly belongs!
And pigs may fly, too. | |
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warchanter
Sergeant
394 Posts
Italy
| | 07/04/2006 6:07 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
Once we get the oft-dreamt LE Necromancer with Warband Building: Undead, then the ZWD will find a home where it truly belongs!
And pigs may fly, too.
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/04/2006 8:26 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
Once we get the oft-dreamt LE Necromancer with Warband Building: Undead, then the ZWD will find a home where it truly belongs!
And pigs may fly, too.
Hmmm, flying pig........I need a "called shot" for blood war. [)] | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 07/04/2006 11:07 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Can of the Cave Beer
Once we get the oft-dreamt LE Necromancer with Warband Building: Undead, then the ZWD will find a home where it truly belongs!
And pigs may fly, too.
Hope for UNHALLOWED to be the return (or comming) of new necromancers! | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/05/2006 1:46 AM |
| Hope springs eternal. Porcine creatures just hop a little. [v]
Still, there is always hope...Maybe I'll get that Werewolf Lord, too!
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