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Massawyrm
Sneak
89 Posts
    
 | | 07/07/2006 2:50 PM |
| Yep. Having opened hundreds of cases of DDM over the last three years, this has to be one of the worst distribution gaffs in a long while. Here's a few of the important observations based on 24 cases (144 packs):
Large Green Dragon, Blackguard on Nightmare, Griffon Calvary and Golden Protector tend to show up together in some combination...if not all in the same case.
Tiamat seems to only appear in packs with Tordek or the Slaughterstone Eviscerator.
Eldrich Giant appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Tordek and Slaughterstone Eviscerator.
Bahamut always appears in cases with Tiamat - his distribution is along with the War Weaver, Clawfoot Rider or Spellscale Sorcerer. He doesn't seem to appear in cases with the Eldritch Giant.
Black Dragon w/Sorcerer appears with Dragonborn Fighter, Tordek, Clawfoot Rider, and Spell Scale Sorcerer.
Tundra Scout appears with Redscale Firebelcher, Large Green Dragon and Cadaver Collector.
Dracolich appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Cadaver Collector and Griffon Cavalry.
So it appears that 9 rares are coupled with the 6 Rare Huges...always in the same formations. Tordek and the Slaughterstone Eviscerator almost never come with an uncommon. With 11 Tordeks, we recieved 1 uncommon huge, and none with the Slaughterstone.
Many of the rares seem to accompany other partnered rares. Haven't had a chance to pick through the uncommons. Anyone else getting similar results? | |
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MightyEinherjar
Sergeant
387 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 2:59 PM |
| I have:
Eldritch Giant Who did NOT come with any of those (though I wish he would have), came instead with Blackguard w/ Nightmare.
Sorceror on Black Dragon Who certaintly didn't come with any of those, instead had a Dragonborn Fighter
Dracolich Who came in a great booster with a Cadaver Collector.
Buddy of mine pulled Dracolich and Sorceror on Black too and didn't get any of those pulls. | |
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Massawyrm
Sneak
89 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:04 PM |
| | Thanks...I'll note that - all but the Dragonborn Fighter fit into the Rare distribution. All of our Dragonborns came with Uncommons. | |
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byrns
Sneak
66 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:16 PM |
| | My Bahamut didn't come with a Tiamat. [V] | |
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Massawyrm
Sneak
89 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:21 PM |
| | You mean you got a case with a Bahamut and No Tiamat? | |
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TheDoctor
Sneak
99 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:28 PM |
| | I got a Bahamut / Eldritch combo. | |
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Underboss
1608 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:33 PM |
| | My Turndra Scout didn't appeal with any. Shame, I may have done slightly better.... [V] | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 07/07/2006 3:34 PM |
| The correlations appear to be unintended based upon Shoe's comments. It seems like it might be a result of lazy case fillers. Hoepfully, this trend will not be consistent through all cases, but was only a problem in the earliest cases which are being popped open now.
I'm hoping that WotC will be able to address this issue before Blood War hits the press... | |
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byrns
Sneak
66 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Massawyrm
You mean you got a case with a Bahamut and No Tiamat?
Yes. I got a different huge rare in that case. | |
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Bluedevyl
Warrior
262 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:49 PM |
| | I watched 6 cases get opened, and only 1 of them had the Bahamut/Tiamat combo in it. | |
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griffrat
Commander
3507 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 3:55 PM |
| I got two cases. The cases were almost mirror images of one another. Two Tiamats, two bahamuts, two barneys, two DB pack lords, two purple worms. Although, I got a HFE and a mountian troll.
As to the "normal rares" two fire belchers, two golden protectors, two slaughterstones, one dragon born, one spellscale, one griff cav and the other stuff listed in my trade thread....[)] | |
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greyhaze
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7698 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 4:04 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by MightyEinherjar
Dracolich Who came in a great booster with a Cadaver Collector.
That's one helluva collected corpse cadaver... | |
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Ragecage
Sergeant
362 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 4:27 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Massawyrm
Large Green Dragon, Blackguard on Nightmare, Griffon Calvary and Golden Protector tend to show up together in some combination...if not all in the same case.
Didn't See this one, if I understand correctly. I got the LGD and GP, but in separate cases. I saw another case with a Griffon Calv. but none of the others.
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Originally posted by Massawyrm
Bahamut always appears in cases with Tiamat - his distribution is along with the War Weaver, Clawfoot Rider or Spellscale Sorcerer. He doesn't seem to appear in cases with the Eldritch Giant.
I saw an AoB that was paired with a Griffon Calv.
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Originally posted by Massawyrm
Dracolich appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Cadaver Collector and Griffon Cavalry.
I wish this was how it always is. I got two Dracoliches and not one of the three rares you mentioned. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 4:29 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
The correlations appear to be unintended based upon Shoe's comments. It seems like it might be a result of lazy case fillers. Hoepfully, this trend will not be consistent through all cases, but was only a problem in the earliest cases which are being popped open now.
I'm hoping that WotC will be able to address this issue before Blood War hits the press...
In theory Bloodwar shouldn't have the same sort of problem since it isn't a huge set. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 4:59 PM |
| My cases were very different from yours (only opened 2 though) :
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Large Green Dragon, Blackguard on Nightmare, Griffon Calvary and Golden Protector tend to show up together in some combination...if not all in the same case.
Only got LGD and blackguard, and not in the same case.
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Bahamut always appears in cases with Tiamat - his distribution is along with the War Weaver, Clawfoot Rider or Spellscale Sorcerer. He doesn't seem to appear in cases with the Eldritch Giant.
Got a Bahamut, and no Tiamat...
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Tasmanian_tiger
Warrior
300 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 5:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Massawyrm
You mean you got a case with a Bahamut and No Tiamat?
Yup, me too. And vice versa;
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Case 1:
Magma Hurler ----- Hobgoblin TOT ----- Dracolich
Huge Fiendish Spider ----- Eldritch Giant ----- Slaughterstone Evis.
Spellscale Sorcerer ----- War weaver ----- Clawfoot Rider
Mountain Troll ----- Purple Worm ----- Huge Fire Elemental
Case 2:
Wizened Elder Watcher ----- Clawfoot Rider -----Hobgoblin TOT
Mountain Troll ----- Purple Worm ----- Huge Fire Elemental
Dragonborn Fighter ----- War weaver ----- Tordek
Bluespawn Godslayer ----- Dracolich ----- Aspect of Tiamat
Case 3:
Slaughterstone Evis. ----- Redspawn Firebelcher---Blackguard on Nm.
Aspect of Bahamut ----- Displacer pack lord ----- Eldritch Giant
Spellscale Sorcerer ------ Meepo ----- Golden Protector
Purple Worm ----- Huge Fiendish Spider ----- Huge Fire Elemental
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 5:37 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Massawyrm
Large Green Dragon, Blackguard on Nightmare, Griffon Calvary and Golden Protector tend to show up together in some combination...if not all in the same case.
Hmm... may explain why I got only one of those worthies...
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Tiamat seems to only appear in packs with Tordek or the Slaughterstone Eviscerator.
Same here
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Eldrich Giant appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Tordek and Slaughterstone Eviscerator.
Mine came with Tordek.
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Bahamut always appears in cases with Tiamat - his distribution is along with the War Weaver, Clawfoot Rider or Spellscale Sorcerer. He doesn't seem to appear in cases with the Eldritch Giant.
My Bahamut came in the same case as Tiamat, but the rare that came with him was a Magma Hurler.
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Black Dragon w/Sorcerer appears with Dragonborn Fighter, Tordek, Clawfoot Rider, and Spell Scale Sorcerer.
Mine came with a Slaughterstone
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Tundra Scout appears with Redscale Firebelcher, Large Green Dragon and Cadaver Collector.
Didn't get a TS, so can't confirm or deny.
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Dracolich appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Cadaver Collector and Griffon Cavalry.
Mine came with Griffon Cavalry.
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Many of the rares seem to accompany other partnered rares. Haven't had a chance to pick through the uncommons. Anyone else getting similar results?
I can confirm some of your patterns, but not all.
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2646 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 07/07/2006 5:37 PM |
| I got:
Dracolich - War Weaver
Sorcerer on Black Dragon - Dragonborn Fighter
Large Green and Blackguard on Nightmare not all 4.
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 6:53 PM |
| | Why does this distribution matter? Why is it bad, rather than good or neutral. The only problem is that if you order several cases and happen to get two of the same you are almost guaranteed to get 2 duplicates of each huge rare. | |
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Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 6:56 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
The correlations appear to be unintended based upon Shoe's comments. It seems like it might be a result of lazy case fillers. Hoepfully, this trend will not be consistent through all cases, but was only a problem in the earliest cases which are being popped open now.
I'm hoping that WotC will be able to address this issue before Blood War hits the press...
I would be a little surprised if production of Blood War wasnt started (or soon) as it does take quite a while to get stuff from China to here. | |
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 7:02 PM |
| | What's with the title? Why put SCREWED in big capital letters and then not bother to spell out why this is bad? It's a little bad for sealed, I guess, but what's your reasoning? | |
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Slade7170
Sneak
123 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 7:34 PM |
| Dunno about the caps, but it means at least one guy bought three cases and still has 10 rares to get (posted in another thread).
Considering there was supposed to be a slight chance of getting everything in three cases that is pretty bad.
I am reminded of Harbinger when I ended up with 5 Drow Clerics of Lolth in 2 cases. I still have 4, hmmm ebay? LOL
I have only opened about 2 cases to date, not enough evidence. The no guarantee of commander thing is what *really* bothers me.
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Massawyrm
Sneak
89 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 8:07 PM |
| Sorry guys, thought it would be self-evident.
The problem with the distribution is that certain rare Huges only come with certain standard rares...but those specific rares have 2-3 possible Rare Huges. Thhus far I've identified a handful of standard Rares that almost always come with rares (29 out of 30 pulls - or roughly 96.6%.) These are the Griffon Cavalry, The Slaughterstone Eviscerator, Tordek, and the Blackguard on Nightmare. Out of 144 packs opened, I got 10 Tiamats - all of them from Tordeks or Slaughterstone Eviscerators.) Other Standard rares seem to rarely, if ever, find themselves coupled with Huge rares (5 rare huges out of 64 standards from this set - 8% or 1 out of 13 pulls with them.) They include Golden Protector, Meepo Dragonlord, War Weaver, Goliath Cleric, Wizened Elder Watcher, Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat, Large Fang Dragon and the Magma Hurler. What this means is that you begin to find yourself stuck between "God Packs" and "Dud Packs."
More importantly, the odds of you getting all of the Huge Rares without duplication increases dramatically. Odds are if you manage to get both a Tiamat and a Sorc on Black Dragon - you are now the proud owner of two Tordeks.
Here's the raw data of all the rare huges I pulled today and where they came from. Each mini will be represented by it's number:
Bahamut: 9,9,11,12,15,15,15,15,36,27 (he seems fairly distibuted except that all 10 Bahamuts I pulled I pulled from a Case containing Tiamat.
Tiamat:7,7,7,7,8,8,8,8,8,8 (this is the grosses of the distribution spreads.)
Dracolich: 7,13,13,13,25,25,25,48
Eldrich Giant: 7,7,7,8,13,48
Sorc on Black Dragon: 8,8,8,11,11,13,13,25
Tundra Scout: 27,27,38,52,52
What bothers me about this spread is that there are several numbers that just jump out as being the place to find rare huges...but each rare huge shares that spot with several other rare huges. 7,8,13 and 25 all repeat in various rare slots. But where's 4 (I'm hearing 4 is another rare slot, we just got duds), 5,6,12 (I got 10 goliaths, it appears only once),23,36,48,49? That's at least 7 different rares that don't - or only appear once - on the spread.
Hardly random. | |
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smilinIrish
Sergeant
913 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 8:22 PM |
| | My Eldritch Giant came with Blackguard on Nightmare. | |
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IHawk
Underboss
1054 Posts
Lisle, Illinois
| | 07/07/2006 9:31 PM |
| howdy,
if i remember correctly...which im 97% on,
at prerelease my Tiamat came with golden protection
the fello next to me got bahamat with Griffon rider
both could have come from the same case, but owner
of the store had 40 boxes all piled up in a big stack
so there adds a bit more randomness to booster distribution.
Good observations though. There is prolly some localized trends
llke you've observed, but globally, over the enitire product line, they would tend to be just statistical.
I am eager to see what my three cases hold in store 4 me.
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rtcmc
Sneak
146 Posts
Eugene, OR
| | 07/07/2006 9:42 PM |
| My experiences with 6 cases -
Ugh on distribution. 5 draconliches, 4 SoBD, no aspects of bahamut, 1 each of the other 3 huge rares. 1 small black dragon. 5 goliaths. On the plus side, my most frequent uncommon was the stirge (7, one case had 2).
Pairings of huge rares were as described with one exception - 4 cases of DL/SoBD, 1 case of EG/TS, 1 case of DL/Tiamat being the exception.
Pairings with rares -
DL - magma hurler, large fang dragon, meepo, griffon, golden protector
SoBD - blackguard, slaughterstone (x3)
EG - griffon
TS - hobgoblin talon
AT - griffon
7 of 12 appeared in cases with the mentioned rares. Bonded summoner almost always came with warden of the woods, btw.
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Dargoth
Underboss
1274 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 9:52 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Massawyrm
You mean you got a case with a Bahamut and No Tiamat?
I bought 3 cases and got TWO Tiamats and NO Bahamuts | |
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TheBlackFlail
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 07/07/2006 9:55 PM |
| I think calling the distribution "SCREWED" is extreme. There are really only a few options available for Wizards to pack minis with :
A) Truly randomized - I.E. put a bunch of stuff in a giant hopper and shake, pull one and pack. In this case you really could get screwed, cases with no huge rares while someone else got a case with all huge rares, etc...
B) What we got - They seed the huge rares and uncommons so each case contains exactly 2 huge rares. Because of the way things are likely packed (Joe Chinaman picks stuff from a pile and packs it), patterns are likely to emerge, especially over short series of cases (that is, until his stacks of minis is depleted and he goes to get another big load o' plastic, all the cases he packs will likely have some identifiable sequence of minis, but everytime his piles of stuff run out the sequence will likely change).
C) What everybody seems to want - Someone with a grad degree in Statistics sits there and directs every single packer so that all of the cases not only contain 2 huge rares but appear to be random to the casual onlooker.
A would have everybody really taking to the streets, and C would require a ridiculous amount of money to accomplish, so I think B is a pretty reasonable compromise.
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Feathers
Underboss
1140 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 12:13 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by TheBlackFlail
packed (Joe Chinaman picks stuff from a pile and packs it), patterns
Not to hijack this thread but I just wanted to point out that the term you used for Chinese people is considered offensive. I don't detect any malice so it's probably unintended, but just wanted to let you know that I found it disturbing.
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Cyber_Urza
Skirmisher
10 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 12:33 AM |
| I think that WotC also is doing special "promo" distributions. At our tournament of 36 or so people we had no less than 4 Bahumats and 9 Tiamats.
At a local shop in our area, however, after 25 cases there were only 2 of each pulled. Is this some kind of special showcasing? | |
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FeranEldritchKnight
Sergeant
385 Posts
Kansas City, MO USA
| | 07/08/2006 1:15 AM |
| Ugh. This set was packed poorly from day 1. I would normally dismiss your findings as a statistical anomoly, but the percentages are far too high to ignore. My issue, as I've stated, is more to the fact you can't get a complete set of uncommons from one case with DQ. Stack that issue with the problem of less than completely random packing, and you get sore buyers.
After WD, we got a disclaimer that paint jobs will vary. This time, we will get a disclaimer about randomness in packs it seems. Although we all know you can't please all the people all the time, I have a feeling Lidae will be pulling her hair out by the end of next week from complaints about non-randomness. | |
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smithmeg
Sergeant
508 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 1:23 AM |
| I think the distribution has been pretty good (and random) - but, in any randomness, you can find patterns if you look hard enough (and are sufficiently flexible in what you decide is a pattern).
I opened 7 cases, and they seemed a random as expected (within the bounds of no duplicates rares or huges within a case).
Even though I was totally missing 1 normal rare and 2 huge rares after 6 cases, the distribution within cases seemed random to me (and I luckily got the 3 I was missing in case number 7. [:)]) | | | |
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Wayne
Underboss
1371 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 6:23 AM |
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Originally posted by Benimoto
What's with the title? Why put SCREWED in big capital letters and then not bother to spell out why this is bad? It's a little bad for sealed, I guess, but what's your reasoning?
I ordered, unpacked, and sorted three sealed cases.
In every case, in exactly the same case position with exactly the same box-art, I got the same two Huge Rares, and triplets of three other Rares. Out of 24 Rares, because of their packing patterns, I got only 12 unique Rares and triplets of five Rares.
That is a problem. I got SCREWED.
(Of course, somewhere somebody opened three cases and got three Tiamats and three Bahumuts and can write his own ticket, trades- or EBay-wise. That doesn't change the fact that I got screwed, and the guy who got nothing but Tundra Scouts and Eldritch Giants.)
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 8:11 AM |
| This thread and the one about Huges does make me wonder...
Are the cases with the Tiamat/Bahamut combo significantly heavier than cases with other combos? If there is a measurable difference, maybe those of you who got "screwed" on cases from online distributors may want to vent your anger at one more target. Granted, incompetence on the part of WotC is an easier explanation than conspiracy on the part of distributors, but still...
I know that I would have walked out of my FLGS bitterly disappointed if I hadn't pulled a Tiamat in the last booster of my last case.
Some may call this thread whining, but I think it's a legitimate complaint. Random means random, darn it, and it's what we were promised.
JIM
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ChristopherGroves
Warlord
6093 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 10:09 AM |
| I suspect (er ... guarantee) that the WOTC folks have read these threads and are trying to figure out what to do about it.
My suspiscion (and yes, I love the game and the product so I cut folks alot of slack) is that this started as an issue of laziness on the part of the sorters / packers and was missed in quality control.
I'm curious to see what their reaction is. I have to think they are reeling a bit after the WD paint deal, early pic leak and then this. All three seem to point back to issues on the factory side of the process. | |
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kgradert13
Sergeant
909 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 10:20 AM |
| I hope they do something about it, but I think I'm done opening boosters. I will probablly fill out my set off of Ebay and just get the occasional prize draft to grab stiges and such.
16 packs
3 Eldritch Giants (1 pre-release)
2 Tundra Scouts
0 Blue Barneys
0 Displacer Beast PL
1 Stirge
no less then 2 and up to 4 of all other large and smaller uncommons.
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/08/2006 5:25 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Massawyrm
Yep. Having opened hundreds of cases of DDM over the last three years, this has to be one of the worst distribution gaffs in a long while. Here's a few of the important observations based on 24 cases (144 packs):
Large Green Dragon, Blackguard on Nightmare, Griffon Calvary and Golden Protector tend to show up together in some combination...if not all in the same case.
I got a Blackguard and Golden Protector in one case, but not the other two. There are only 18 rares, so commonly getting two of teh four should be pretty common.
Tiamat seems to only appear in packs with Tordek or the Slaughterstone Eviscerator.
My Tiamat at the Pre-Releasehad neither.
Eldrich Giant appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Tordek and Slaughterstone Eviscerator.
Bahamut always appears in cases with Tiamat - his distribution is along with the War Weaver, Clawfoot Rider or Spellscale Sorcerer. He doesn't seem to appear in cases with the Eldritch Giant.
This was proven untrue many times, but pairings seem to happen around 60% of the time, from what I've gathered.
Black Dragon w/Sorcerer appears with Dragonborn Fighter, Tordek, Clawfoot Rider, and Spell Scale Sorcerer.
Mine came with none of the above.
Tundra Scout appears with Redscale Firebelcher, Large Green Dragon and Cadaver Collector.
Dracolich appears with Blackguard on Nightmare, Cadaver Collector and Griffon Cavalry.
I think what we are running in to is a situation where, with "only" 18 rares, to ensure case seeding we are seeing redundencies with multiple cases bought from the same source in the same batch. See the thread on randomization packaging. I think you would be "better off" if your cases were spread out either from different sources or later in the stack. Say your FLGS had pre-orders for 30 cases and you ordered three. You're still going to be awefully close together, and you don't know which order they were actually packaged in, but grabbing one from the top, middle and bottom should yield a little better results. This is anotehr drawback of ordering multiple cases from a single distributor. They will just grab teh next three cases on the stack if you pre-ordered three cases. At the store, you can ask them to pull like that for you, or order your cases frrom a few different stores, so if you are buying four cases, buy two from one and two from another. That should get you the best "split". | |
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Massawyrm
Sneak
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| | 07/08/2006 6:22 PM |
| That's certainly not the worst idea, but totally not feasible for some of us - as we get our cases directly from the distributor.
Also that doesn't work very well in towns like Austin, which despite being a very large town, only has one distributor - and thus every store's batch comes from the exact same delivery. | |
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robby
Sergeant
918 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 1:57 AM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
I suspect (er ... guarantee) that the WOTC folks have read these threads and are trying to figure out what to do about it.
My suspiscion (and yes, I love the game and the product so I cut folks alot of slack) is that this started as an issue of laziness on the part of the sorters / packers and was missed in quality control.
I've seen this assertion (or guess, or whatever) more than once. I can only comment that an issue of laziness of the sorters that isn't caught in QA is an issue of laziness or mismanagement in QA.
Gosh, poor QA from Wizards? Color me surprised. Who'da thunk it?
Once is a datapoint. Now it is becoming a trend.
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 07/10/2006 2:41 AM |
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Originally posted by robby
I've seen this assertion (or guess, or whatever) more than once. I can only comment that an issue of laziness of the sorters that isn't caught in QA is an issue of laziness or mismanagement in QA.
Gosh, poor QA from Wizards? Color me surprised. Who'da thunk it?
Once is a datapoint. Now it is becoming a trend.
There is a clear, although not 100% reliable trend. It is an annoying trend. It is a bad trend. I don't think that there are many people that question that this bad trend exists.
However, we have no friggin idea why it exists. We know that the correlation between huges was news to Shoe because of his comment saying that such a correlation was not intended. However, we don't know the full story... and given the gravity of the situation and the broad outrage, I expect that we won't get a detailed comment on the situation until there has been a signifigant investigation.
There are a number of different facets in this whole situation that need to be investigated:
*Why do the huge rares have such consistent correlations?
*Why do the huge uncomomns in cases have such consistent correlations?
*Why are there certain rares that are matched with certain huge rares so consistently?
*Will these types of problems plague the next set even though it is not huge?
Give WotC some time. There is still a lot in WotDQ to enjoy... focus on the stuff you can enjoy and leave the negative stuff until WotC has had a chance to investigate and make a statement. | |
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