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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
    
Toronto
 | | 07/10/2006 9:55 AM |
| My huge rares were the Eldrich Giant and Tundra Scout.
Regular rares were Griffon Rider, Dino Rider, Talon of Tiamat, Goliath Cleric, War Weaver & Cadaver Collector.
No Pack Lord or Blue Barney
Also only one stirge. | |
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dethstrike
Skirmisher
32 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 10:01 AM |
| 6 cases from GO split between a friend and myself:
5 Dracoliches, 5 SoBD's, 5 Barneyspawns, 5 Spiders, 5 Elementals, 5 Pack Lords
From my 2 cases:
2 Hob ToT, 2 WarWeaver, 2 Goliath HomeRunHitter, 2 Clawfoot Riders,
I see lots of trades in my future... | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 10:56 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Massawyrm
Yep. Having opened hundreds of cases of DDM over the last three years, this has to be one of the worst distribution gaffs in a long while.
Understatement. Of. The. Year. | |
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Almalik
Warrior
266 Posts
Vancouver-ish, Canada
| | 07/10/2006 11:23 AM |
| | In my two cases from my FLGS (the next two cases in the stack) I got the same two rare huges (Dracolich and SoBD), the same 4 uncommon huges (Blue Godslayer, Fire Elemental, Spide, and Pack Lord), and 3 of the 6 regular rares were duplicates (Tordek, Large Fang Dragon, and Spellscale Sorcerer) [:(!][V] | |
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JohnnyJackoff
Skirmisher
9 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 11:40 AM |
| | i work with a seller and about 90% ot the tiamats came with Bahamut, and the black dragon with rider came with Dracolich and the two giants always came in the same case | |
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cooter926
Sneak
165 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 11:45 AM |
| Well, I finally got to open the 5 cases me and a friend had together...we got good distribution for us, but i'd say we got alil lucky based on what's being said around here...
two sets of tundra/eldritch
two sets of sorcer on bd and draco
one set of aspects
basically, i already had a bahamut from release tourney, so i traded my new extra one to my friend and he's only short tiamat as his huge rare.
2 cases + 7 boosters from release tourneys and i'm 3 shy of a complete set, blackguard, wizened, and meepo. i do only have 1 stirge...got at release. of the 5 cases, we had 2 stirges total, both in my friends cases...grr..;) we did end up with several tordeks...at least 2 too many.
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 12:09 PM |
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Originally posted by ChristopherGroves
I love the game and the product so I cut folks alot of slack
As do I, which is why this is all the more disappointing. I really, truly believe that Shoe, Lidda, Ian et al do there very best, but I cannot believe that this distribution debacle represents Wizards' best by a longshot.
I am not really angry just very, very disappointed - almost to the point of depression. I was so pumped about the new set and then this happens. I just felt so damned let down. When I pulled the same huges out of the second case as the first, which were in turn the same as the case I pulled from the the pre-release, I felt the same crushing, gut-turning sense of loss I did the first time I saw The Phantom Menace; like something I loved had been cheapened. Before Phantom Menace I was a huge Star Wars fan (since '77), now I really don't give a toss about any of it. I remains to be seen whether my love for DDM weathers this storm. I hope it does, but right now I feel so down about the whole thing it is hard to see how.
A week ago I would have been stopping by my FLGS tonight to get Dragondown Grotto, now I wonder whether it is really worth spending the money. While there I would surely have picked up some DQ boosters but now I cannot bear the through of pulling yet another duplicate. This whole situation has made me question whether it was worth investing thousands of dollars in DDM and whether it is worth continuing to do so.
Very sadly yours,
Dave. [:(] | |
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sienar
Sergeant
640 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 12:31 PM |
| It does appear some/many cases are psudo-seeded. It is also proven that not ALL cases are that way.
(My Tiamat came with neither of the ones you listed, as did ktatroe's - I don't remember what rare mine came with, but the one Slaughterstone came with Bahamut and ktatroe's Tiamat came with a Griffon Cavalry)
Personally, my distribution has been spectacular. 2 cases + 5 boosters has netted me no duplicate Huge rares, and a whopping 4 duplicate non-Huge rares.
I would venture to say that 50% of the cases are showing strong patterns, while the other 50% are not. We had to expect some psudo-seeding, given packaging constraints. The Griffon Cavalry alone makes seeding somewhat necessary. | |
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Arnminster
Warrior
296 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 12:41 PM |
| My friends and I purchased 5 cases and we got all but the following
Bahamat
Tiamat
Fire Belcher
Spellscale Sorc.
Got the following Huge Rares
1 Eldrich Giant
3 Dracolich
4 Black Dragon w/Sorc
2 Tundra Scouts
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robby
Sergeant
918 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 1:43 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by jgsugden
quote:
Originally posted by robby
I've seen this assertion (or guess, or whatever) more than once. I can only comment that an issue of laziness of the sorters that isn't caught in QA is an issue of laziness or mismanagement in QA.
Gosh, poor QA from Wizards? Color me surprised. Who'da thunk it?
Once is a datapoint. Now it is becoming a trend.
There is a clear, although not 100% reliable trend. It is an annoying trend. It is a bad trend. I don't think that there are many people that question that this bad trend exists.
The trend is that Wizards QA stinks. Last set it was paint jobs, this set it is distribution. And there has been a consistent pattern of poor QA in print and web materials lately. Heck, if we are to believe we we're told, they had to "stop the presses" because of a poor QA job on one of the rares, and they had to get him repainted.
(Hmm. Wonder if that caused an extra rush in packing, which is what is causing this problem.)
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Originally posted by jgsugden
However, we have no friggin idea why it exists. We know that the correlation between huges was news to Shoe because of his comment saying that such a correlation was not intended. However, we don't know the full story... and given the gravity of the situation and the broad outrage, I expect that we won't get a detailed comment on the situation until there has been a signifigant investigation.
There are a number of different facets in this whole situation that need to be investigated:
*Why do the huge rares have such consistent correlations?
*Why do the huge uncomomns in cases have such consistent correlations?
*Why are there certain rares that are matched with certain huge rares so consistently?
*Will these types of problems plague the next set even though it is not huge?
Give WotC some time. There is still a lot in WotDQ to enjoy... focus on the stuff you can enjoy and leave the negative stuff until WotC has had a chance to investigate and make a statement.
Why? Why give them time? Don't you think they should have spent the time figuring this out BEFORE THE SET WAS RELEASED? You want to give them the benefit of the doubt? Sorry, they used that up already. By now they should be keen to the fact that this set had to come off without a hitch, after the debacle that was War Drums. Cut them slack? Why? Isn't some of what we pay for as customers devoted to reasonable quality assurance?
Does this set have positives? Certainly. I love the figures and the selections and the sculpts and the paints jobs I have seen so far have been back to what I expect. But I don't love them so much I want to get four cases of the exactly the same figures, like some have received.
Anyhow, its obvious you and I disagree on this. You want to cut Wizards slack. I think they burned that bridge already. Like you, I am interested to see what they say (and if they say anything) about this, although I suspect absolutely nothing will come of it.
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 07/10/2006 3:30 PM |
| Just want to note that my cases don't even come close to the huge rare pairings everyone describes, in 6 cases:
Case 1: Eldritch Giant - Bahamut
Case 2: Eldritch Giant - Dracolich
Case 3: Tundra Scout - Dracolich
Case 4: Tiamat - Dracolich
Case 5: Tiamat - Tundra Scout
Case 6: Tiamat - SoBD
So no paired aspects, no paired giants, and no paired dracolich and SoBD. After reading a lot of threads this weekend, I was surprised to say the least. I will post full information (all pulls, linked to booster art, per booster per case) in another thread for those interested.
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 3:45 PM |
| | The place i go to only got in 1 sealed case of WotDQ, and i only had enough money at the time for 1 booster. In it i got a Tundra Scout and a Hobgoblin Talon of Tiamat. Since i got the Tundra Scout, from what i have been seeing there is a 80% chance of the other rare in that case being the Eldritch Giant, which is a rare i am not keen on wanting to get. | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 6:33 PM |
| For reference here is what I pulled in my two cases:
Case 1 front L to R then Back row
Bluespawn, War Weaver/ Displacer, Clawfoot/ SoBlackD, Slaughterstone
TROLL, Spellscale / Dracolich, Magma Hurler/ Spider, Talon of Tiamat
Case 2 Front then back L-R
TROLL, Goliath Cleric/ P Worm, Magma Hurler/ Spider, Clawfoot Rider
Tundra Scout, War Weaver/ Eldritch Giant, Nightmare-Blackguard/ Fire E, Spellscale
Uncommons missed: Storm Archer, Small Black Dragon
I almost figure I should have quit after opening the first Huge rare in each case (Scout/Lich) as I already have the Promo SoBD and the Eldritch Giant doesn't interest me. Having four of the same rares in each case sucks royally.
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Keianna
Skirmisher
10 Posts
| | 07/10/2006 11:44 PM |
| | I've noticed the same thing. A friend and I each got a case and opened them at the same time. We both pulled: Tiamat/Bahamut, slaughterstone Evicerator, War Weaver, Spellscale Sorcerer, Bluespawn, and Golden Protector. We lucked out on uncommons, though, and are only missing the small fire elemental. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12481 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 07/10/2006 11:53 PM |
| | Yes, very easy for hobby stores and smaller retailers to cherry-pick the cases of the good huge rares. Anyone else notice that the glue is sometimes very weak, and allows for opening the boosters without tearing the flaps? | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 12:01 AM |
| Just finished opening my 3 cases and I got 4 boosters at prerelease.
2 of my cases had both aspects and the aspects were in the same place in the case top right and bottom left. I got a slaughterstone eviserator with both Aspects of Tiamat. The 3rd case had the sorcerer on black and dracolich, I pulled a sorcerer on black at the prerelease and a dracolich was pulled from the same case, and both aspects were pulled from another case.
However other than the huge rare parings, and perhaps the coincidental slaughterstone, I didn't notice obvious pairings among other rares or c/uc with the huge rares. Out of all 3 cases I only got 5 duplicate regular rares and a fairly average spread of c/uc's.
And as to the slaughterstone I pulled one with the sorcerer on black at the prerelease. | | | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 07/11/2006 12:07 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Thenameless
Yes, very easy for hobby stores and smaller retailers to cherry-pick the cases of the good huge rares. Anyone else notice that the glue is sometimes very weak, and allows for opening the boosters without tearing the flaps?
I noticed both the aspect of tiamat boosters I opened were significantly heavier than any of the other, but they both also had slaughterstone eviserators in them. | | | |
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ares71
Sergeant
448 Posts
Central Illinois
| | 07/11/2006 2:54 PM |
| Over 4 Cases (24 packs)
I thought the uncommon distribution was really bad:
1 Poison Dusk Lizardfolk
1 Small Black Dragon
1 Storm Archer
1 Mountain Troll
2 Fiendish Spiders
On the plus side, did get 5 stirges, 2 Tiamat and 2 Bahamut. | |
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Kat_Dawg33
Warrior
291 Posts
USA
| | 07/11/2006 3:18 PM |
| I opened three cases and got one of each rare huge (lucky)
Huges by case:
Tiamut/Bahamut
T Scout/E Giant
Sorcerer on B Dragon/Dracolich
My huge uncommons were:
2 Barnie
3 Troll
3 Wurm
1 Spider
2 Pack Lord
1 F elemental
I'm missing 3 rares and 1 uncommon:
Tordek
Spellscale Sorcerer
Large Fang Dragon
Poison Dusk Lizardfolk
So I got three rare doubles:
Slaughterstone Eviscerater (didn't want any)
Golden Protector
Wizened Elder Watcher (didn't want any)
Would have loved a second Large Green Dragon
Pulled 3 Stirge and 4 small fire elementals (go me) | |
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Kypdurron
Underboss
1206 Posts
Broken Hill
| | 07/11/2006 8:09 PM |
| 3 cases
2x Bahamut
1x Dracolich
2x Huge Fire
2x Purple Worm
3x Bluespawn Godslayer
1x Displacer Beast Pack Lord
1x Dracolich
1x Eldritch Giant
2x Huge Fiendish Spiders
1x Mountain Troll
2x Sorcerer On Black Dragon
No Tundra Scout No Aspect of Tiamat
Guess what as far as I'm concerned ditribution was pretty good[)]
from memory I also got 2 tordeks, 2 Dragon born Fighters , 2 Cadaver collectors, 2 Blackgaurds on Nightmare and 3 claw foot riders as duplicate rares so im also pretty happy with the normal minis distribution..
After 3 cases which is only 18 boosters I am only missing 7 of 24 rares....
Golden Protector
Meepo
Slaughterstone eviscerator
Goliath cleric of Kavaki
Magma Hurler
Aspect of Tiamat
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devasque
Sergeant
874 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 11:00 AM |
| Not that I love fanning flames but even I had to roll my eyes at seeing my cases conform to the huge rare pairing. And for the record they came from three seperate sources (GO, Coolstuffinc and my local FLGS) so thats a sampling from three seperate pools of minis.
Of four of five cases had the Tiamat/Bahumat combo and the fifth had the Sorcerer and Dragon/Dracolich combo. I didn't notice any particular trend with the regular rares, got some duplicates but in no pairing combo consistantly (ie my Tiamats came w/ Tordek, Griffon Calvery, Large Green Dragon, Spellscale Sorcerer and Bahumat pulls were just as mixed) | |
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Maimonides
Sneak
100 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 2:48 PM |
| I got just one case:
Huge Fire elemental+magma hurler
Mountain Troll+Clawfoot:(
Warweaver+Barney
Hobgoblin Talon+Barney!!!! I thought, that getting two same HUGE uncommons is impossible!???
Tiamat+Slaughterstone Eviscerator No complaints here
Eldritch Giant+Golitth Cleric of Kavaki
In general, not a very lucky case. I hope package from Talistran makes it with all the singles goods:) | |
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ilarue
Underboss
1259 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 5:24 PM |
| While the distribution is still messed up, it is better than GOL, where the rares in every single case were paired. So things are getting better, just not as fast as hoped.
And actually I liked the distribution since in four cases I got all the huge rares, with doubles of the aspects, and the only regular rares I'm missing are the wizened elder and the war weaver. I can of course understand why many people are upset. | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 5:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Maimonides
I thought, that getting two same HUGE uncommons is impossible!???
I don't think that was ever stated. What is far more surprising is not that you got dupe uncommons in your case but that it bucks the case-seeding pattern. | |
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Cholo
Skirmisher
19 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 5:57 PM |
| I just got a case in the store.
Got a Tiamat and Dracoliche as my rare huges.
And TOrdek and tiamat were in same box. | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 07/12/2006 6:04 PM |
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What is far more surprising is not that you got dupe uncommons in your case but that it bucks the case-seeding pattern.
Same with me. 4 Cases.
Sorcerer on Dragon & Dracolich
Tiamat & Bhamut
Tiamat & Eldritch Giant
Tiamat & Eldritch Giant
So for me I got 3 Tiamats but only 1 Bhamut...And I got 2 Eldritch Giants but not a single Tundra Scout. | |
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Zenako
Commander
3472 Posts
| | 07/12/2006 10:40 PM |
| | If the rare pairs are shifting, that goes back to the concern over sorting and mixing of cases at the pallet level. Think of a deck of cards. Printing out (packing boxes) of just Spades, then just Hearts and so on. The proper way to distribute these randomly would be to shuffle them up and then pack the boxes. It looks like the final shuffle did not occur, so all the Heart cases are coming out together while all the Club cases will arrive in the next wave. Eventually we get a full deck, but right now the mix is heavy on the hearts and duplicate hearts at that. Just a thought. | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/12/2006 10:52 PM |
| | Let's hope the Clubs have more Strix [:D] | |
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