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Bert the Troll
Commander
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Adelaide
 | | 07/21/2006 10:30 PM |
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Originally posted by Lab Monkey
I'll probably keep buying, but I'm not adjusting my D&D/minis budget any. That means I'll be getting less of Unhallowed than of previous sets.
Same here, or at least thats the best case scenerio.
I`m still really frumpy about the nigtmare art boosters and have having them only on shelves is already teaching me restraint.
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Originally posted by Count Dooku
At $15 for a regular booster...Id say that WotC has broken Merric's Law of Miniatures....You agree?
Yep. Nearly $2 for a mini - meh.
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Originally posted by WakeXX
For that price the minis,sculpts and paint jobs have to be top notch to keep me buying.No filler rares,all should be excellent monsters that haven't been done,8 large uncommons in the set,3 or 4 tinys.Liberal use of clear plastic and paint strokes,no glue seams.No distribution problems or anything.
Agreed, but I so doubt it.
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Grudgingly, I would go for that. But, the pessimist in me says that it's just not gonna be that way. I think that the upper crust is testing how far they can push this market's spending habits.
Nice to see you here Drammattex, and you're point about the ME of 2003, yep, sure glad I have a steady job and am not a struggling youth that they claim is their target audience.
I think they pushed limits of quailty for wardrums, did a price increase for WoDQ, and now will see the limits of spending.
Overall, if people spend the same amount for less, that should equal similar profit for WoTC (or less.. less transports costs for less product etc).
The target audience thing does seem like its from bizarro world.
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Kithmaker
Commander
3926 Posts
| | 07/21/2006 11:04 PM |
| This is only partly related to the topic, but I have to comment: the price of oil isn't/hasn't gone up significantly to affect the final price of D&D miniatures. The oil companies (and therefore gas stations) are needlessly/greedily gouging vehicle owners, because we're so dependent on gasoline.
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That said, this will definitely impact how much of each set I buy at release. | |
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Can of the Cave Beer
Commander
2838 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 12:45 AM |
| | I know one thing--this is dangerously near the break point for me. Sure, I'm strictly small-time (3-5 cases) but nearing $15 a piece is a big pill to swallow. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 1:55 AM |
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Originally posted by Anthraxus
Wraithborne has captured my sentiments exactly. For that price, I'd hope for tighter set lists, and less "Crap" rares.
This is a requirement for 40-fig sets. | |
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MechaKingGhidra
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632 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 2:05 AM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
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Originally posted by Anthraxus
Wraithborne has captured my sentiments exactly. For that price, I'd hope for tighter set lists, and less "Crap" rares.
This is a requirement for 40-fig sets.
Unhallowed is going to be 40 figs? I never knew this. As for the supposed "crap" rares, I don't really say there any any so far, just "figures which although I'm sure are interesting as a concept, are simply unpreferrable to most dedicated collectors, whether it be for RPG use, skirmish, or for some other use". But then again, to each their own. | |
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Tasmanian_tiger
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300 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 4:46 AM |
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Originally posted by Dordledum
This could be the beginning of me going from ordering cases/buying boosters to buying from Ebay (Auggie) completely.
D.
Dordledum, does Auggie ship to Europe? I didn't think so. | |
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sam500
Sergeant
419 Posts
Berkeley, CA
| | 07/22/2006 5:31 AM |
| 14.99 is ridiculous!
DDM started out for 9.99/booster. A 50% price hike in 3 years is CRAZY!
We're asked to swallow that and paint problems and distribution problems? Goodbye DDM. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10492 Posts
United States
| | 07/22/2006 10:16 AM |
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Originally posted by sam500
14.99 is ridiculous!
DDM started out for 9.99/booster. A 50% price hike in 3 years is CRAZY!
We're asked to swallow that and paint problems and distribution problems? Goodbye DDM.
Other folks have made lists of all the problems that DDM pieces/cards/maps/rules have had in the past year or so (maybe we should have seen it coming in Harbinger with the Azer Raider's base...).
I understand the occasional need to increase the price of a product. I do not appreciate significant jumps--I hope that this increase will be re-considered by the folks getting rich off our habit. (Don't misunderstand that last point, I know that most of the Wizards folks who read these threads aren't the ones getting rich--though I'd wager my next paycheck that they make more than I do, and have better benefits.)
I probably won't be getting out of DDM because of a price increase. I like competitive play, and I like having minis for use in D&D. However, I may have to find another, more creative way to finance my acquisitions. Further, I do see this as potentially damaging to the game.
I wonder if there's a connection between this and my own paranoid supposition that the funding is going to move even more powerfully over to Dreamblade.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6842 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 07/22/2006 10:28 AM |
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Originally posted by DaveMage
I expect that Blood War will be very well done.
I could almost care less if Blood War or Unhallowed be "very well done". I don't like the demon/devil theme nor the idea of an abundance of undead in a set. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 07/22/2006 11:03 AM |
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Originally posted by Kithmaker
This is only partly related to the topic, but I have to comment: the price of oil isn't/hasn't gone up significantly to affect the final price of D&D miniatures. The oil companies (and therefore gas stations) are needlessly/greedily gouging vehicle owners, because we're so dependent on gasoline.
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Minis' (plasticrack) are made from plastic. Plastic is made from oil. As oil goes up, up, up, so will the plastic. [:(!]
I guess its not unexpected. [}:)]
But IMO a $2 increase is too much. A $1 increase would have been more tolerable. [:(!][:(][V]
Oh well, just more $ I have to save each week towards my plasticrack habbit. [:p]
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 07/22/2006 11:13 AM |
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Originally posted by Hejas
This is REALLY bad news. I think that 50% of DDM players here will stop buying boosters.
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 07/22/2006 12:49 PM |
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Originally posted by Tasmanian_tiger
quote:
Originally posted by Dordledum
This could be the beginning of me going from ordering cases/buying boosters to buying from Ebay (Auggie) completely.
D.
Dordledum, does Auggie ship to Europe? I didn't think so.
You just have to send him an e-mail with a friendly request and he will ship to Europe just fine. I have bought from him on over 8 occasions without any problems, regardless of what his eBay store says.
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Lab Monkey
Commander
4136 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 12:53 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
I'm also completely done with buying boosters. I used to pick up a 2-6 or so per set from my FLGS, but definitely not anymore. I'll go for the best online discount prices I can find as well as the cheapest price possible for singles.
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Yukon Cornelius
Warrior
337 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 2:07 PM |
| You'd think that they could reduce the size of the boosters by 20% and still have room for the largest figures. They'd save a bunch on shipping and manufacturing and not have to up the cost.
I'm still hoping it's not true, but if it is, it sucks. | |
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 3:08 PM |
| | Actually, I'm surprised that it isn't higher. I usually pay about 20 some dollars a booster and although I don't go hardcore over it because I don't have a steady source of income, it really adds up. That and the fact that up here, people aren't lowering their prices below what is originally printed on products like when it says on a book "$12.95 U.S.A., $18.95 CAN", if not higher than the suggested price(I hate it when that happens because it is so common where I live). Today, I passed by a stack of 5 original D&D Starter Kits(the one with the Black Dragon and adventurer minis in it) and I was surprised they didn't sell out a long time ago but then I found out that each one cost about $45 each(they were marked more than fairly higher than the suggested price). Time does not reduce prices, apparently.[:(] | |
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ShivanWurm
Sergeant
500 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 3:42 PM |
| Wow. The singels market just took a step up in my book.
When WK anounced the had to increase the price of Mechwarror, they at least redesgiend the boosters so they have 2 mechs per pack. | |
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ekomega
Warrior
264 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 3:53 PM |
| I just wanted to mention that most plastic products are created from petroleum derivatives (somewhere along the gasoline production chain), and their production costs are directly related to the cost of crude oil. It is/was the cheapest way to produce many plastics, but maybe the cost of oil will change that. It's the double whammy for shipping AND materials costs.
Also, I have found it far more economical to just buy miniatures on Ebay. I have found a seller (sleonardo, who is on the boards) who sells minis so cheap that I can get all the ones I want for far less than trying to buy boosters. | |
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JodyJ
Warrior
260 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 4:04 PM |
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Originally posted by Ghendar
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
Like Dreamblade at $15 a pop for 7 figures? | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 07/22/2006 4:25 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by Hejas
This is REALLY bad news. I think that 50% of DDM players here will stop buying boosters.
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
I'll second that. A price increase will possibly slowly kill the game. No new players, especially younger ones, who will be hard pressed to buy boosters, and thus what was once a growing community will either stop growing and or shrink.
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dblizzard
Sneak
57 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 5:26 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Sirohk
I'll second that. A price increase will possibly slowly kill the game. No new players, especially younger ones, who will be hard pressed to buy boosters, and thus what was once a growing community will either stop growing and or shrink.
A lot depends on how the price increase compares to other price increases. After all, I know I'm paying more for all my gaming things than when I started in '78. WotC tends to be the most aware of their bottom line (given they are one of a small handful of companies that have people paid just to look at that). The smaller companies sometimes don't realize they need to raise prices until they've begun losing money (which is why so many go out of business).
If this is just the first signs of an industry increase, it might not be so bad for WotC. On the other hand, if it is, and it's bad, then it is probably bad for the industry as a whole.
Then again, it might be costs or profit needs that WotC only have to deal with. | |
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Thespian
Sergeant
442 Posts
Lethbridge, Alberta
| | 07/22/2006 7:32 PM |
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Originally posted by Richard II
$20 a booster canadian? That's going to take some serious thinking about on my part.
There's no way the canadian dollar is going to be at 75 cents US, I don't quite understand these rather large increases in price from US to Canadian. Sure, when the dollar was at 66 cents, but now that it's close to 90? Hopefully my FLGS sticks with its new practice of selling boosters at US MSRP in canadian dollars.
Still though, 12 boosters at $15 with our 20% discount and 13% tax is going to work out to $162.61.
Considering that the canadian dollar is near 90 cents US...(will it stay that way???), the exchange is still pretty good. Even still, I certainly pay more than that from my FLGS.
I don't know if the price hike is related to the huge set, but it makes sense to me that it would be a good time to do one. You get used to paying the 25-30 CAN for a booster and then it goes down from there. It makes you less mad somehow.
Anyway, from my standpoint, I have collected since the beginning and I have been toying with not order my 3 cases. I figure that most of that goes towards get 8 commons that I never use when I would rather spend my money on the monsterous creatures and the ones good for skirmish. Get one of each and a couple of the ones you know you need more of and I am sure that it will come to anout a third of the set. Tops. I figure that I can get what I need from after-market singles, instead of getting yet-another-pc-stand-in in multiples.
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sage_raistlin
Sergeant
377 Posts
| | 07/22/2006 8:37 PM |
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Also, I have found it far more economical to just buy miniatures on Ebay. I have found a seller (sleonardo, who is on the boards) who sells minis so cheap that I can get all the ones I want for far less than trying to buy boosters.
Damn thanks for the info there, I think I just found my new best friend on e-bay. | |
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Prince o the Raven Banner
Sergeant
606 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 4:21 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by JodyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
Like Dreamblade at $15 a pop for 7 figures?
I'm not sure that is a fair comparison.
RPGers need a fair amount of minis to play their games.
Skirmishers need enough variety to handle meta-game challenges.
Plus most at least know a bunch of RPGers so they can unload their extras.
Dreamblade requires less to play. While I am not 100% certain on this, Dreamblade should be playable on a fairly competitive level with about 40-50 figures. Unless gradual power creep is indemic, that should suffice for a while.
The result will likely be that it costs less to play Dreamblade.
Price hikes hurt the RPG only buyers, especially the new ones.
While I agree that a price hike was inevitable, I'd have preferred a single dollar increase. $14.95 is not the end of the world, but it is closer to the tapering off point, for me at least. When I'm in the 1500+ figure range, that point will be VERY close.
Let's keep in perspective, the last price hike was $3.00. This is less so it could be worse. I am assuming of course that the recent string of production screw-ups will not be present in a price increased set. That would be bad news for the line. | |
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sage_raistlin
Sergeant
377 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 9:52 AM |
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Like Dreamblade at $15 a pop for 7 figures?
Well now this makes sense. They wanted to level the playing field for thier new game with the old game. If the price of Dreamblade was highert hen DDM, then it could cause it to tank as people wouldn't want to spend more money for it. By raising the price of DDM, it makes them the same price and therefore eliminates the problem.
I am willing to bet that this is the primary reason they increased the price for it. | |
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Aries
Warrior
284 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 12:29 PM |
| | or there might be the possibilty that they didn't sell as much of the WotDQ then they expected and needed to raise the price to make ends meet? | |
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JodyJ
Warrior
260 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 12:35 PM |
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Originally posted by Aries
or there might be the possibilty that they didn't sell as much of the WotDQ then they expected and needed to raise the price to make ends meet?
The catalogue with the price was already printed or at least on its way before WotDQs street date. | |
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ekomega
Warrior
264 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 12:37 PM |
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Originally posted by Aries
or there might be the possibilty that they didn't sell as much of the WotDQ then they expected and needed to raise the price to make ends meet?
I don't think so. It's way too soon to be making decisions based on WotDQ. Maybe Wardrums, but DnD miniatures is a well established, well bought item. Every set likely outsells the last. And no business of WotC size puts themselves in situations where one miniatures set is the difference between making ends meet and not.
Also, price increases for existing product lines are practically a science. I'm sure a lot of thought went into it, and I'd love to hear what that thought was. Maybe China is breaking their balls over production. | |
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Chairman7w
Sergeant
484 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 2:00 PM |
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Originally posted by Drammattex
At the rate we're going, gamers who are artists, gamers who are under 23 (the age when many graduate from college and start working real jobs), gamers who have low-income jobs... all of these people are either going to have to make minis a financial priority in order to afford them, or else NOT afford them.
You forgot another option. Simply earn more money. WOTC is no more responsible for providing an affordable hobby to those with low incomes than Polo Equipment manufacturers; or paintball companies; or Sailing Boat makers.
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Vandal_Savage
Sneak
133 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 2:39 PM |
| First, I don't like the increase and will be looking for singles also, BUT I wonder what the price of singles will be...Auggie, Who I consider one of, if not the best seller's of loose figures is getting hit with 3 price hikes...Ebay is Increasing the Store Fees by a Large Percentage in August, Boosters are going up by $2.00 retail in March, and postage rates are supposed to go up again at end of the year.
I wonder how All 3 of these will affect the singles sellers...I agree, that if the rares do not justify the cost of the booster, then why buy a Booster at all...Buy Singles. It will be interesting/disgusting to see how all this plays out. Every Company out there seems to be taking it up a notch just like the Oil Companies to see how much they can continue to milk the consumer. There will be a breaking point...Just not sure where it's at...
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PrometheusEnslaved
Sneak
78 Posts
Central Florida
| | 07/23/2006 5:11 PM |
| So, here's a question for you:
If standard boosters are going up to $14.95 each, what will future Starters retail for? $22.95? $24.95? And then what about the next Huge set? Will they be hitting $24.95? | |
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lingster
Sergeant
778 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 5:52 PM |
| I've not seen any kids buying boosters... especially cases.
At 14 a pop per booster, I'd be hard pressed to buy cases anymore. That goes for SWM and SWM space too. | |
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 07/23/2006 10:03 PM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chairman7w
quote:
Originally posted by Drammattex
At the rate we're going, gamers who are artists, gamers who are under 23 (the age when many graduate from college and start working real jobs), gamers who have low-income jobs... all of these people are either going to have to make minis a financial priority in order to afford them, or else NOT afford them.
You forgot another option. Simply earn more money. WOTC is no more responsible for providing an affordable hobby to those with low incomes than Polo Equipment manufacturers; or paintball companies; or Sailing Boat makers.
But watching their demographics would be a smart thing too. | |
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kyrin
Commander
3171 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 12:24 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Chairman7w
You forgot another option. Simply earn more money.
What, are you selling a book? [:p]
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WOTC is no more responsible for providing an affordable hobby to those with low incomes than Polo Equipment manufacturers; or paintball companies; or Sailing Boat makers.
Um, they do have a responsibility to their shareholers, and if they price themselves out of their target demographic, they will not be holding up that responsibilty.
While we're offering alternatives, don't forget the one many will pursue: Stop buying DDM.
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 07/24/2006 5:29 AM |
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Originally posted by Kunimatyu
You know, if they're going to be upping the price on minis sets, now wouldn't be the worst time to cut back to 40 minis/set. They're running a little low on a lot of the cores already, and it'll make it easier on the wallet of the average consumer, by far.
The only problem with this argument is that it assumes the number of core minis per set would stay the same - that dropping from 60 to 40 would just eliminate the filler.
I think it is more likely that the proportion of filler would still be high, meaning that a 40-set just has even fewer core minis.
With so many MM1 minis left to make, and a rapidly dropping proportion of useful minis in each successive set, I'd like to see WotC increase to three 120 mini sets a year. That way, there's be still be enough useful stuff to be worth buying on the secondary market. [)]
Seriously, though, I hope the price increase comes with a realization from the designers that the set lists need to be a lot better to keep people buying. | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 07/24/2006 5:35 AM |
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Originally posted by Gunthar
What I don't understand is everyone who's trying to tie this to the price of oil. Oil schmoil. Materials are BY FAR the cheapest portion of the product, even cheaper than the 8-year-olds painting the Frost Dwarves. [:P].
True, but there may be another increase in production cost that is having an impact - labour. Has anyone considered that salaries are increasing in China?
Perhaps as we all approach our twilight years, our countries' economies will have crashed and we'll be having to supplement meager pensions by painting plastic minis for the Chinese market [:0]. | |
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Anti-Champion of the Fozzie Bugbear Strangler (Demonweb 32/60).
Called Shots- Blood War: Green Slaad (53/60), Night Below: Kuo-Toa Whip (55/60),
Demonweb: Aboleth, Feywild: Fire Beetle,
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Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 07/24/2006 7:06 AM |
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Originally posted by JodyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
Like Dreamblade at $15 a pop for 7 figures?
Yeah, that's a good deal. [eyes]
If I can't afford DDM at $14.99 a booster, what makes WoTC think I can afford Dreamblade at basically the same price and less figures? | |
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Vash
Underboss
1995 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 8:14 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by JodyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
Like Dreamblade at $15 a pop for 7 figures?
Yeah, that's a good deal. [eyes]
If I can't afford DDM at $14.99 a booster, what makes WoTC think I can afford Dreamblade at basically the same price and less figures?
Because we're mindless drones that buy anything they spew out at us? | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13069 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 07/24/2006 8:16 AM |
| quote:
Originally posted by Vash
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
quote:
Originally posted by JodyJ
quote:
Originally posted by Ghendar
At $14.99 a pop, I will NOT be buying boosters. These price increases will not bring any new players into the game. The rising prices will force them to other games.
Like Dreamblade at $15 a pop for 7 figures?
Yeah, that's a good deal. [eyes]
If I can't afford DDM at $14.99 a booster, what makes WoTC think I can afford Dreamblade at basically the same price and less figures?
Because we're mindless drones that buy anything they spew out at us?
Careful Vash. I almost got banned once for referring to people as drones. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 9:24 AM |
| My two formulae relating to this news:
A+B=C
C=D
Leged:
A (DDM price increase)
B (My DDM budget remains the same)
C (Wizard's get's no more of my money, I get fewer figures)
D (This sucks) | |
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PatEllis15
Commander
4463 Posts
| | 07/24/2006 11:11 AM |
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This is only partly related to the topic, but I have to comment: the price of oil isn't/hasn't gone up significantly to affect the final price of D&D miniatures. The oil companies (and therefore gas stations) are needlessly/greedily gouging vehicle owners, because we're so dependent on gasoline.
Kith: Your really off base with this. While I agree that aggregate production costs are not "highly" effected by the increased price of oil, transportation costs certainly are. My company in fact would go from a highly profitable one to one that lost money every day if we had been unable to pass through to our customers/clients the increased cost of diesel fuel.
Those Mini's are getting shipping over the pacific using fuel, and then by truck from the west coast to the balance of North America. While those folks near the distribution center might have an argument, the rest of us don't.
(I won't argue the merits of the FULL increase, just that some increase is likely justified...).
When DDM was released in the fall of 2003, diesel fuel cost just $1.44, and it now stands at $2.93 (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/ftparea/wogirs/xls/psw18vwall.xls). The haulers that we use report that about 25% of their price to us is tied directly to the price of fuel. That means that distribution costs have gone up more 25% in whole dollars.
It was theorized at the time of the original price increase that WotC underpriced the figure to start with (say by a buck). Which means that we'll see $4.00 in "real" increase from Harbinger. Between inflation and fuel, a $1.33 per year of increas would seem steep. BUT, if the price hold at $14.99 for the next 18- 24 months, it suddenly starts to water the increase down to less than $1.00 per year.
It still hurts. I know that my buying habits are on the declien already. Chances are thoughn, I'll still buy a case or two, but I'll be selling most of my Early duplicates that I have a more recent figure for to compensate, and trim my overall collection.
I am frankly surprised we didn't see the increase for Blood War... I'd also point out that AAM have alwasy been priced at this particular price point, and of course Dreamblade will have 2 or 3 sets on the street with this price by the time we are paying it...
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