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07/21/2006 10:58 PM  
I received a mini in a trade today, sent in a plain old letter-sized envelope (not even a padded one, not that those are OK anyway).

These pictures should make it clear to everyone that envelopes (padded or not), which are designed to send FLAT objects, just don't cut it when sending non-flat objects -- unless, of course, you WANT them to be flat:






From now on, if anyone sends me a trade without using a box, I'm sending the damaged stuff back and they're getting a negative feedback from me.



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07/21/2006 11:03 PM  
I received a Stirge in a flat envelope (at least some packing peanuts were tossed in for good measure). The only reason I wasn't fuming was the fact that the Stirge is in perfect condition (no bending at all).

Post Offices have free shipping boxes available. They also have cheap shipping boxes available. If you have an ebay account, you can get a stack of free priority shipping boxes. Order online and they send them to your addrees (all free of charge).

There's really no excuse for not using boxes. They're readily available, and cheap.

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07/21/2006 11:17 PM  
Priority costs over $4 to ship no matter what the weight doesn't it? And first class can be as low as $0.80 to ship, $3 is expensive for first class.

Then you still have to pay for the priority boxes don't you? You can walk out with one free of charge, but when you ship it, don't they scan the box to see if it's been paid for yet and charge you around $1 for the box before shipping? Or is it figured into the priority rate already? What happens if you ship priority with your own box?

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07/21/2006 11:30 PM  
I don't care about Priority Mail. I want my stuff protected. I do it for my trading partners. Besides, a small box can be shipped First Class for less than $2. I just did it today, in fact: Maryland to Missouri: $0.87. Even to Canada: $1.95 for Air Letter Post. And those are BOXES.

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07/21/2006 11:31 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Oryan77

Priority costs over $4 to ship no matter what the weight doesn't it? And first class can be as low as $0.80 to ship, $3 is expensive for first class.

Then you still have to pay for the priority boxes don't you? You can walk out with one free of charge, but when you ship it, don't they scan the box to see if it's been paid for yet and charge you around $1 for the box before shipping? Or is it figured into the priority rate already? What happens if you ship priority with your own box?


Priority mail = $4.55 with shipping confirmation, $4.05 without confirmation. The priority boxes are free (I thought I made that clear in my last post; apologies for not being clear enough). Priority is flat-rate for anything you can fit in the box provided by the Post Office (up to 70 pounds, but who ships 70 pounds of minis [:O][?]).

I'm very particular in my trading. I only send priority, and I only trade with those who reciprocate. I'm getting to where I will pay a bit more on an ebay auction if they have a priority mail option, as well.

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07/21/2006 11:33 PM  
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Originally posted by Oryan77

Priority costs over $4 to ship no matter what the weight doesn't it? And first class can be as low as $0.80 to ship, $3 is expensive for first class.

Then you still have to pay for the priority boxes don't you? You can walk out with one free of charge, but when you ship it, don't they scan the box to see if it's been paid for yet and charge you around $1 for the box before shipping? Or is it figured into the priority rate already? What happens if you ship priority with your own box?



There's the priority flat rate box, which is $8.10, where no matter what weight it is, if you can fit it, it's fine. Link here: http://www.usps.com/shipping/flatrate.htm?from=priority&page=flatrate

The priority boxes are free, but when you go to mail out, you have to pay the priority rate. You can ship priority with your own box, it's still the same rate.

What I do is use boxes that I have received from previous transactions. It keeps from me having to buy my own boxes or pay for the outrageous priority rates. Priority is good for shipping multiple minis that have some weight to them, but not 1 or 2.

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07/21/2006 11:43 PM  
You don't pay for the priority box or at least they don't charge you for a box if you use your own.

I do know you can't mail first class if the box weighs more than 13oz. Most of the time this may not be aplicable but with this huge set its easy to go over (I just did). mailing a couple of huges and a handfull of regular minis made my box just over 13oz. and I couldn't mail it first class either express or priority and the price jump is steep(but still not worth the effort to go home and repackage,maybe mulitiple times, in hopes of squeezing out that last ounce).


BTW I always use boxes, I have stacks of them from previous trades so I never need to buy. Its just not worth the few cents you may save to mail in an envelope.
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07/21/2006 11:59 PM  
Kithmaker,

I have two extra Meepos. I will give you one if you email me your mailing address again (I say again because I deleted the email with your address after our last trade was completed). I will box it the right way.

I don't think the demand for those is very high, and I won't miss one low-end rare.

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07/22/2006 12:01 AM  
I would also like to say that something like this should be stickied in the Trading Q&A section for permanent reference.

The general thread was a good place to bring this up, so people will see it. But, by the time it starts slipping onto page 2, we should get it moved to the other forum and sticked. Or, this should be added to the Trading 101 thread. In the first post, near the bottom, for example.

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07/22/2006 12:07 AM  
Shipping in a 3" x 3" box usually costs me between .87 and 1.50$.

If you 'can't find' boxes, reuse booster boxes.

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07/22/2006 12:15 AM  
Wait a minute... you've got the Super-Rare, Limited-Edition ROADKILL MEEPO!!!
Right on! How'd you get a hold of that Rarity?! [:o)]

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07/22/2006 12:24 AM  
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I have two extra Meepos. I will give you one if you email me your mailing address again (I say again because I deleted the email with your address after our last trade was completed). I will box it the right way.
While I truly appreciate the offer, it just so happens that my wife got me a couple of boosters today as well, and one of the rares was Meepo (figures, since I just traded for one).

Thus, I have...

quote:
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...the Super-Rare, Limited-Edition ROADKILL MEEPO!!!
...for trade. Let the bidding war begin!


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07/22/2006 12:26 AM  
And here I though boxes were a given. [v]

First class isn't horrible for cost--I shipped five huge figures for under $6 with DC.

I mean, seriously, it doesn't exactly take much effort to do something properly the first time.

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07/22/2006 1:03 AM  
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Originally posted by Kithmaker

I don't care about Priority Mail. Besides, a small box can be shipped First Class for less than $2. I just did it today, in fact: Maryland to Missouri: $0.87.

Which was my whole point. I was saying, why ship priority when you can ship a box first class for cheaper.

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07/22/2006 1:09 AM  
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Originally posted by maijstral

I do know you can't mail first class if the box weighs more than 13oz. Most of the time this may not be aplicable but with this huge set its easy to go over (I just did). mailing a couple of huges and a handfull of regular minis made my box just over 13oz. and I couldn't mail it first class either express or priority and the price jump is steep(but still not worth the effort to go home and repackage,maybe mulitiple times, in hopes of squeezing out that last ounce)


You can usually send Parcel Post, which is somewhat cheaper. However, the delivery time is much longer.

What's nice about shipping D&D books is you can send them Media Mail, which is much cheaper (if you ship lots of books overseas, there is something called an "m-bag" which is a flat rate Media Mail type rate, but it takes months).


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07/22/2006 5:38 AM  
I always ship in boxes (though I didn't trade a lot). I can't imagine the horror of shipping minis in envelopes overseas..[xx(]

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07/22/2006 7:51 AM  
Everyone who deals in minis has a ready supply of shipping boxes...

THEY ARE CALLED BOOSTERS!!!

Dont throw out the boxes people!! I personally buy brown wrapping paper and wrap the package..But I have received trades where the package is a booster box wrapped in clear tape and my address written on scrap paper and taped to the booster. You stuff either some styrofoam peanuts in with the minis or you wrap each mini in a peice of paper towel.

It boggles the mind that so many people dont use the free shipping box that all DDM boosters come with.

Oh and to save more $$ on supplies. Keep a box to store the strofoam peanuts in. When you receive a trade just dump the peanuts in the box so you can reuse them later someday...Reuse card protectors you receive to.

Its not hard...Theres no excuse for shipping in envelopes.

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07/22/2006 8:37 AM  
Kith,

first, sorry to see meepo in such a sad condition. he was
worked very hard to get to the level of dragon lord, and
this is his rewards.

secondly, have you contacted your trading partner to discuss
this. I've found that is BY FAR the most effecive method
for correcting these sorts of things.

I do know there used to be a trade primer stickied somewhere,
where packaging methods were discussed...i think it may have
disssapeared during black friday (it was, if memory serves,
authored by the Zenako).

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07/22/2006 8:45 AM  
Just to let you know. Priority starts at $4.05 but they do weigh the box and will charge more for the weight. That's why they came out with the box the charges the flat $8.10 for whatever you can fit inside.

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07/22/2006 9:20 AM  
I'm not sure what method I use, but my boxes generally go out for ~$1.85 - $2.50 and my trading partners usually have them within 3 business days. THat doesn't seem awful.

I recycle boxes. I have about 3-4 at any given time. When I send one out, generally there is another on it's way with minis for me which will be used for a future trade. I print my lables on just a regular sheet of paper which can be taped to most of the box to cover previous mailing information. Therfore, after the first few transactions, there should be no packaging cost at all.

By the way, I have no Meepo and would consider Roadkill Meepo only a slight upgrade from that (you get the card). The only time something like this happened to me was an ebay purchase and the seller was willing to make up for it. Hopefully your trade partner is as well.

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07/22/2006 10:07 AM  
I always use boxes, I always use packaging peanuts (or whatever they're called these days), and I never have to pay much for shipping. I always tell the clerk at the post office that I want to send the package at the cheapest rate available, and that's what I get.

Sorry about your experience--yuck.

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07/22/2006 10:10 AM  
Yo--it's sooooooooooo easy.
I like card boxes, but WHO cares! Are you buying DDM or just trading it around the country??? Do you own a DDM booster that you can cut in half and insert one half into the other (I know you did this with straws when you were a kid to make some great bridge you architect you :) to make a 'double ply' box, cover with 1 sheet of printer paper for aesthetic purposes and voila! You're set.

Let's not make this complicated, if you've ever owned a piece of cardboard, you too can make a box. So, priority if specified (though I wouldn't do it) and box---manditory.

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07/22/2006 10:25 AM  
In my experience (over 100 trades, some international, though), Priority does almost nothing to change the delivery time. Priority isn't worth it unless you need a box badly enough. Parcel post, which takes longer, isn't very nice to your trading partner, though. All packages (within US) should be sent first class with delivery confirmation.

I have seen people use boosters when shipping to me, and the cards get bent more easily. I don't like it when people use booster boxes as the cardboard is weaker. Two booster boxes together is stronger than one booster box. But if you are sticking one inside the other, it can cut down on the space for the card.

Kithmaker, glad to hear that you got Meepo in a booster.

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07/22/2006 1:27 PM  
I've found that, after trading a bit, if you save the better boxes, you rarely need a new one. Resending boxes does make for some interesting events, however. A recent trade with Doubtofbuddha involved me recieving a box that I sent to him on a previous trade, that someone else sent to me on a previous trade (all labels still underneath the new one). Kinda neat.


Poor Meepo.

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07/22/2006 1:33 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Corim Danex
Priority isn't worth it unless you need a box badly enough.

Or your package weighs over 13 oz.

quote:
I don't like it when people use booster boxes as the cardboard is weaker.

Yup. I occasionally get shipments in reconstituted booster boxes and the cards are almost always bent. The exception has been items shipped in Huge boxes (DQ, GoL) since there's adequate room for unbent cards.
Also, because the cardboard is very flimsy, I've received reconstituted boosters that had crushed corners, holes, etc. Not very reassuring to see when you open your mailbox...

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07/22/2006 1:35 PM  
What do you guys do about e-bay sellers who ship minis in envelopes? I've only left neutral feedback and made a note to steer clear of those sellers. I considered leaving negative feedback, but since I can straighten the minis out again with a hot water treatment, I haven't let myself get bent out of shape.

That said, I agree that sending minis in envelopes is not acceptable.

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07/22/2006 1:50 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Count Dooku

Everyone who deals in minis has a ready supply of shipping boxes...

THEY ARE CALLED BOOSTERS!!!

Dont throw out the boxes people!! I personally buy brown wrapping paper and wrap the package..But I have received trades where the package is a booster box wrapped in clear tape and my address written on scrap paper and taped to the booster. You stuff either some styrofoam peanuts in with the minis or you wrap each mini in a peice of paper towel.

It boggles the mind that so many people dont use the free shipping box that all DDM boosters come with.





Booster boxes can be pretty flimsy and can get cruched rather easily. I'v seen some smushed pretty bad. Back when I first started trading, I used booster boxes, but later switched to sturdier cardboard boxes.

In most cases, booster boxes will be fine, but crushing is a real possibility. Much less so with thicker cardboard boxes.

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07/22/2006 1:58 PM  
Getting one mini from an eBay seller in an envelope is not immediate ground for poor feedback if the mini is still in good condition and the shipping/handling cost is appropriate (less than $2 although less the $1 is better.) If a larger number of minis are ordered boxes definitely become appropriate although I'd always base feedback on what comes out of a different package but still mention how things get packaged.

Meepo or a stirge (and other smaller creatures) may work in a standard envelope IF some precautions are taken but note that the US mail doesn't like fat envelopes.

As for actual shipping prices I sent my Eldritch Giant (and another min) away in the box my Piazo SoBD arrived in for $2.66 including confirmation. I may help to have a friendly postal employee for a neighbor however so you get the best deal.

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07/22/2006 2:00 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise

What do you guys do about e-bay sellers who ship minis in envelopes?



I once emailed the seller to let him know that envelopes can easily lead to squishing of the mini(s). That particular seller understood and appreciated me for telling him that. However, not all sellers are so cordial.

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07/22/2006 2:36 PM  
I thought the rules were boxes only anyways...when it comes too this site. Oh well I always use boxes.

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07/22/2006 2:39 PM  
just boil the base.
This is one of the most easy fixes and takes 20 to 30 seconds to do.
I don't understand what the problem is.

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07/22/2006 2:48 PM  
Wow. I haven't seen a mini that flat since my first Deathknell booster which happened to have a Kruthik Hatchling on the very bottom of the minis "dog-pile" in the box.

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07/22/2006 2:48 PM  
I'm not a big fan of using boosters (even doubled up) to ship with. Like others have already said, they are not very durable. I have had a few get through OK but, I have also had some not fair so well on their trip through the USPS.

I did leave Neutral feed back for a E-Bay seller who shipped a Stone Golem in a unpadded envelope. It arrived just like poor Meepo did. I was able to correct his posture with the hot water trick but, I should'nt have to. Especailly since he charged $3 or $3.50 for shipping and the acual postage was $0.87.


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07/22/2006 3:29 PM  
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Meepo or a stirge (and other smaller creatures) may work in a standard envelope IF some precautions are taken but note that the US mail doesn't like fat envelopes.


I agree. I recently sent out 3 medium common minis in an padded envelope. However, I put the cards in reinforced card sleeves and I put the minis in a small hard plastic tube to protect them.

In general though, I agree. Boxes are the only way to go.

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07/22/2006 3:51 PM  
Slightly off topic: It must be nice to ship from the US where you can mail small packages for a dollar or so. Canada Post's minimum package size is 14cm x 9cm x 2cm (6"x3.5"x1") and they charge $4.75 ground or $6 air. [:(] It means we can't re-use the boosters to ship, as they don't meet the minimums.

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07/22/2006 4:07 PM  
That's one flat Meepo!

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07/22/2006 9:23 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by Faragdar the Wise

What do you guys do about e-bay sellers who ship minis in envelopes?


I wouldn't return to those sellers. It's only happened to me a couple times (and the minis were still in the booster box, so it's not like they were unprotected), but I've not since had the desire to return to that seller.

Positive, Neutral or Negative feedback would depend on the condition of the minis, but I would note in the feedback that I was shipped goods in an envelope and not a box.

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07/22/2006 9:28 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by sam500

just boil the base.
This is one of the most easy fixes and takes 20 to 30 seconds to do.
I don't understand what the problem is.


It's an issue of respect. Just because something can be (relatively) easily fixed is not the issue. Shipping something like that (where it is almost guaranteed to be damaged or where the envelope could be torn and the contents lost) shows a complete lack of respect for the trading partner.

"Do unto others..." and all that.

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07/22/2006 11:46 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by sam500

just boil the base.
This is one of the most easy fixes and takes 20 to 30 seconds to do.
I don't understand what the problem is.
The problem is that I shouldn't have to do that. The mini should have arrived in its intended position/shape. I care enough to ensure that for people I trade with; I expect the same from them.

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07/23/2006 2:32 PM  
The thread is still there in Trading Q&A forum....

http://www.maxminis.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12373

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