Bert the Troll
Commander
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Adelaide
 | | 08/10/2006 8:56 PM |
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Originally posted by maijstral
nope its a skeletal reaper I'm holding one in my grubby little hands right now. Forgot my camera in the car so no pics for now but the stats are:
Wow. I like. Pretty good stats for a cheapie fearless flying guy. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/10/2006 8:58 PM |
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Originally posted by maijstral
nope its a skeletal reaper
Yeh, it's well costed cause it's not LE.
Do you know the set number for this mini? | |
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 08/10/2006 11:17 PM |
| | sorry guys I wrote to fast in a hurry to get back to the fun. the mini is 21 not 11. And to answer other questions,yes its the same pic as the entropic reaper, and its 58 of 60 in the set list. | | | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 08/10/2006 11:30 PM |
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Originally posted by maijstral
sorry guys I wrote to fast in a hurry to get back to the fun. the mini is 21 not 11. And to answer other questions,yes its the same pic as the entropic reaper, and its 58 of 60 in the set list.
No wonder it seemed so good | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 08/10/2006 11:32 PM |
| So the promo looks like a robed skeleton with a scythe?
Lemme See!!! | |
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Nixlord
Underboss
2468 Posts
Quezon City, Philippines
| | 08/11/2006 1:46 AM |
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Originally posted by zenthrus
Point #1: I'm pretty sure Bluespawn Thunderlizard was changed to Bluespawn Stormlizard between RHoD's release and the MM4/Blood War. Logically, that seems to be the case. I'd guess that any reference to either Stormlizard or Thunderlizard is indicating the same critter (hopefully Shoe will correct me if I'm wrong).
Point #2: Please be uncommon, please be uncommon, please be uncommon (if you say something enough times, it'll come true, right?) [:D]
The reason they probably decided to change it to StormLizard is because of potential legal issues.
The ThunderLizard name was already originally used in the game WarCraft III and World of WarCraft. In fact, I'm pretty sure the Thunderlizard of WarCraft III was the inspiration for the StormLizard and Redspawn Firebelcher.
Take a look at the actual in-game pics below and tell me I'm wrong.
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MechaKingGhidra
Sergeant
632 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:16 AM |
| | Yeah.........................................................pretty hard to not think Warcraft had at least SOMETHING to do with the inspiration for the spawn. | |
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rtcmc
Sneak
146 Posts
Eugene, OR
| | 08/11/2006 2:27 AM |
| | I wouldn't think Blizzard would be dumb enough to start a "you ripped off" war with gaming companies - they took their orcs from Warhammer, and huge amounts of the Warcraft series from D&D. | |
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Kunimatyu
Sergeant
725 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:30 AM |
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Originally posted by rtcmc
I wouldn't think Blizzard would be dumb enough to start a "you ripped off" war with gaming companies - they took their orcs from Warhammer, and huge amounts of the Warcraft series from D&D.
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Nixlord
Underboss
2468 Posts
Quezon City, Philippines
| | 08/11/2006 2:39 AM |
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Originally posted by rtcmc
I wouldn't think Blizzard would be dumb enough to start a "you ripped off" war with gaming companies - they took their orcs from Warhammer, and huge amounts of the Warcraft series from D&D.
Actually, I don't think Blizzard would ever sue them. But the legal department of big corporations can be very conservative and wouldn't try to risk a potential lawsuit, and probably advised them to slightly change the name just to be on the safeside.
On a side note, Blizzard did steal two monsters from D&D mythology - the Gnoll and Owlbear in WarCraft III. But when Frozen Throne came out, they wisely changed the name of the Owlbear to something else. Strangely, gnolls have retained their names.
As for orcs, no, Blizzard didn't rip off Warhammer (although they look pretty much like Warhammer orcs). It was ripped from Tolkien mythology. So, everybody (including D&D) who used orcs ripped from Tolkien. [)]
Although after much thought, the more plausible reason is that the creative team decided to just rename the spawn to StormLizard so as not to make it an outright all-too-obvious ripoff.
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Tasmanian_tiger
Warrior
300 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 4:15 AM |
| Argh.. no. At least make the skulpt somewhat dynamic.. And please, what a strangily bent front pawn. It's possible anatomically, but I don't recall animals bending their pawns forward, when in this stage of walking.
As a side note, I received a SoBD from a trade and .. well, the proportions of the dragon looked off too.
It seems the sculpters or the concept artists know less of animal anatomy. Of course, the dragon is no real animal, but it's based of something real..
Again.. I have no use for these spawn. Pity. I hope this is the only one in the set. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 08/11/2006 5:51 AM |
| so, what's the set number of the Storm/Thunder Lizard and the rarity of the reaper?
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 7:21 AM |
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Originally posted by Dordledum
so, what's the set number of the Storm/Thunder Lizard and the rarity of the reaper?
D.
bluespawn set number is 30/60 and uncommon and the reaper is 58/60 and a common. | | | |
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Ack
Underboss
1476 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 8:43 AM |
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Originally posted by Richard II
Weird. The mini is called a bluespawn storm lizard, but the electricity arc specifies another bluespawn thunderlizard, not storm lizard. We're not getting both a storm and thunder lizard in the same set are we? That would be sorta redundant.
I think we have our first errata / mistake discovered for the set. Hope Guy is taking notes.
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hardinjmm
Sergeant
573 Posts
Madison, WI
| | 08/11/2006 10:34 AM |
| | How do they not notice that glaring of an error? I mean, it doesn't bother me, but still, that seems pretty bad. Otherwise, though, I am extremely pleased with Blood War (and with pretty much every other set they have done so far). | | | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 08/11/2006 10:42 AM |
| Are the Bluespawn Thinderlizard and Bluespawn Stormlizard 2 different creatures?
I dont own MM4 yet. | |
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yack
Commander
3321 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 08/11/2006 11:01 AM |
| | I think Count in our world they are... [)] | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:27 AM |
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Originally posted by maijstral
level 6
speed 6
ac17
hp40
melee attack +7(10)
type Undead
flight
devestating attack:quadruple damage on crit
fearless
immune cold undead traits
CE cost 11
[:0]
Damn! You could run a few of those with a Tiefling Captain.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:32 AM |
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Originally posted by scifirules
I wonder how much damage it'd do if one rolled a critical by Lareth the Beautiful...
It would only do triple, if they use the cfx. The Tiefling Captain is your best bet to get in some crits. | |
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:43 AM |
| Quadruple damage is still only 40 non-magic. Considering how often a +7 attack will miss, you'll need all the crits you can get.
And for fewer points, a Sacred Watcher can eat scores of these guys for breakfast, and still have room for pop-tarts.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:53 AM |
| | Too expensive for Grim Necromancer, too weak for epic Nerull. | |
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 11:56 AM |
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Originally posted by greyhaze
Too expensive for Grim Necromancer, too weak for epic Nerull.
*shrugs* It seems like a good fodder piece. Flight, 40 HP, 40 damage critical...
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scifirules
Sergeant
354 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 12:53 PM |
| Ugh. I just read on the skirmish forum: Skeletal Reaper is 21 points, not 11 points. [xx(]
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 08/11/2006 1:30 PM |
| | The blue lizard is never going to be a dominant piece: The justice Archon is still a widely used piece, and is immune to electricity. If this band became strong, the justice archons would return to prominance and keep it down... 5 rounds to kill a justice archon? The justice Archon should take this guy down well before then, even with those abyssmal attack bonuses. And, the JA is much cheaper... | |
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True_Blue
Underboss
2386 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 2:44 PM |
| | I think of the Swift lightning as useless. The Lightning Bolt he has is nice, but its nothing like the Belches of the Redspawn. While his AC is high, we've seen a marked increase of to hits for a lot of the lawful factions. I still dont think ppl will have a hard time hitting him. I'd rather take the Duergar Champ for less and get the Conceal 6 from it. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 08/11/2006 3:34 PM |
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Originally posted by True_Blue
I think of the Swift lightning as useless.
Yup, it's not skirmish worthy. But, I hear a lot of voices saying they want it for the RHoD, so I guess we know why it was made. | |
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