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heirodule
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08/11/2006 9:19 PM
I was checking my 1e monster manual to see if the pit fiend had a tongue wagging (no), and i turned to the marilith and noted she had no belly scales. So blame the late Dave Sutherland :-)

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08/11/2006 10:44 PM
Did she have a belly button?

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08/11/2006 11:35 PM
Heh. Not everything from first edition was better. Kobolds that look like scaled puppies for instance...

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08/11/2006 11:39 PM
I second that. Despite the naive charm of many of its illustrations, the MM1 should not be taken as the model for DDM. SGB

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08/12/2006 10:40 AM
Ah, the good old days. [:D]

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08/12/2006 10:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by xuthal I second that. Despite the naive charm of many of its illustrations, the MM1 should not be taken as the model for DDM. SGB Agreed!

kyrin
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3172 Posts

08/12/2006 1:56 PM
If the DDM Marilith had half the majesty and menace of the 1st Ed Type V Demon, I would forgive the lack of belly scales. And I liked the 1st Ed Kobolds. They had character; nowadays they're just the Small Lizard Guys. Ah well, as the saying goes: That's why they make Chocolate and Vanilla -- 'cuz you like crappy ice cream. [)] JIM aka kyrin (who likes both chocolate and vanilla)

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08/12/2006 2:15 PM
Given the artistic talent displayed in 1st edition art, I'm amazed she had 3 arms on each side ;)

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kyrin
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08/12/2006 3:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by ehren37 Given the artistic talent displayed in 1st edition art, I'm amazed she had 3 arms on each side ;) Yeah, today's modern artists (coughBAXAcough) just run rings around those no-talent hacks. I mean, all those old feebs did was capture peoples' imaginations and lay the visual groundwork for a game that has endured for over three decades. I mean, how hard is that? Just like Jerry Bruckheimer absolutely PWNS old fogies like that Hitchcock d00d! Remember folks, new = better! Today's uber-l33t artists are teh R0XX0RS!!!!!11!!ONE!!! Sigh, JIM aka kyrin

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kyrin
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08/12/2006 3:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by xuthal I second that. Despite the naive charm of many of its illustrations, the MM1 should not be taken as the model for DDM. SGB As surprising as this may be to some, I actually agree with this statement for the most part. The Carrion Crawler, Beholder, and Owlbear are the most stunning examples of improvement over 1st Ed art. However, in the case of the Unicorn, Medusa, Spectre, and Wraith I could not disagree more. Those minis are desperately in need of rescuplts, and the 1st Edition visions would be a massive improvement. JIM aka kyrin

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08/12/2006 4:05 PM
kyrin, Well said and I agree...

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xuthal
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08/12/2006 7:57 PM
Yes, I find myself agreeing with you, Jim. Guess my imagination was stuck on the worst ones, like the Thought Eater (awful!). The examples you listed are still pretty cool. SGB

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08/12/2006 9:53 PM
Someone put a bottle of grumpy pills in Dr. Jim's coffee! [)] Of course, I'm not much of a fan of the new Beholder--I think it looks too humanoid. I'm not exactly a fan of the tennis ball, either. But the 1st Ed. Spectre was top-notch! And I'm very glad that Orcs are no longer pig-headed. You know what I mean.

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ehren37
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08/12/2006 10:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by kyrin quote: Originally posted by ehren37 Given the artistic talent displayed in 1st edition art, I'm amazed she had 3 arms on each side ;) Yeah, today's modern artists (coughBAXAcough) just run rings around those no-talent hacks. I mean, all those old feebs did was capture peoples' imaginations and lay the visual groundwork for a game that has endured for over three decades. I mean, how hard is that? Just like Jerry Bruckheimer absolutely PWNS old fogies like that Hitchcock d00d! Remember folks, new = better! Today's uber-l33t artists are teh R0XX0RS!!!!!11!!ONE!!! Sigh, JIM aka kyrin If by "capture imagination", you mean look like the crap I doodled on my notebooks in junior high, I agree. Then again, what do I know about style, I dont have a mullet.

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MightyEinherjar
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08/12/2006 10:33 PM
Not to mention how bad the 1e Gnolls looked...

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KitShickers
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08/13/2006 4:35 PM
Marilith's majesty in the mm 1e rendition was all tied up in her hair. So to speak. Minus the headdress, I think she would resemble our six armed fiend who we saw in the ddm preview, minus the slack jaw, breast plate, and what not. I think someone asked if she has a belly button. Yes she does, but no Arnold abs. As far as monster sketches go in 1ed. I liked Intelect Devourer, Were Boar, and the Efreeti. Oh yeah, and the Quasit, Rakshasa, pseudo-dragon,

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08/13/2006 4:54 PM
Just look for the original Marilith in Eldritch Wizardry!

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kyrin
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3172 Posts

08/13/2006 9:31 PM
[QUOTE]ehren37 wrote If by "capture imagination", you mean look like the crap I doodled on my notebooks in junior high, I agree. [/QUOTE] Well, at least it's obvious those gentlemen helped imbue you with a rich fantasy life. Bordering on delusion, in fact... Growing up and leaving junior high does lead to inconvenient realizations. Like, for example, the realization of how ludicrous and immature it is to say that any artist -- especially an artist that makes a living at their art -- lacks "talent." It's much more mature to say that you just don't like it and move on. But don't worry, you'll realize that and move on to high school some day, son. [QUOTE]Then again, what do I know about style, I dont have a mullet.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because choice of hairstyle is clearly an indicator of... well, absolutely nothing, actually. Your taunts, like your doodles, haven't changed much since junior high, I see. But like I said, you'll get past it some day. I have faith in you. JIM aka kyrin

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ehren37
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08/14/2006 7:57 AM

[QUOTE]kyrin wrote

ehren37 wrote
If by "capture imagination", you mean look like the crap I doodled on my notebooks in junior high, I agree.

Well, at least it's obvious those gentlemen helped imbue you with a rich fantasy life. Bordering on delusion, in fact...

Growing up and leaving junior high does lead to inconvenient realizations. Like, for example, the realization of how ludicrous and immature it is to say that any artist -- especially an artist that makes a living at their art -- lacks "talent." It's much more mature to say that you just don't like it and move on. But don't worry, you'll realize that and move on to high school some day, son.

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Then again, what do I know about style, I dont have a mullet.

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Yeah, because choice of hairstyle is clearly an indicator of... well, absolutely nothing, actually. Your taunts, like your doodles, haven't changed much since junior high, I see. But like I said, you'll get past it some day. I have faith in you.

JIM
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Really? Its more mature to say you dont like it and move on? Guess that explains why you did your typical schtick: insult anyone who disagrees with you. Not to mention throw in another typical Jim insult towards anyone under 40 who dares "infiltrate" your game. Guess we might need to move on to high school together. In case you were still confused about irony Jim, that was a fine example.

As to your hair, I would have thought the link pretty evident. You have terrible taste.

But maybe you're right. This certainly is a majestic piece of art.

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08/14/2006 9:52 AM
Some 1e art was good (Elmore), some was utter shit (Erol Otus), and a lot was in the middle. Some 2e art was good (Diterlizzi), some was utter shit (Baxa), and a lot was in the middle. Some 3e art is good (Wayne Reynolds), some is utter shit (Denis Crabapple), and a lot was in the middle. IMO 3e art generally skews to the better while 1e art generally skews to the worse, but neither editions art is uniformally superior to any other. That said, 1e had a certain style that is best described as "naive" and which is, IMO, not well suited to DDM. It was very "of its time," and that time is long past.

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08/14/2006 10:51 AM
Sigh. Reading the "discussion" between kyrin and ehren, I started to wonder whether this new-fangled board I'm using is the new version of maxminis or the new version of the WotC boards. Can we possibly keep it civil? That has always been the biggest charm that kept me coming back to maxminis. I'd love to see it stay that way.

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kyrin
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08/14/2006 11:16 AM
[QUOTE]ehren37 wrote Really? Its more mature to say you dont like it and move on? Guess that explains why you did your typical schtick: insult anyone who disagrees with you. [/QUOTE] While you like to insult artists you don't even know -- or are dead. That's a real step up. [QUOTE] Not to mention throw in another typical Jim insult towards anyone under 40 who dares "infiltrate" your game. [/QUOTE] Not "anyone," not by a longshot. Just people who make brainless generalizations. Actually, just you, this time around. [QUOTE] As to your hair, I would have thought the link pretty evident. You have terrible taste. [/QUOTE] Yeah, like you're Brad Pitt. Oh I forgot: delusions of grandeur. I hope you and Angelina are very happy. [QUOTE] But maybe you're right. This certainly is a majestic piece of art. http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/wpm_gallery/WPM_Room23.jpg The Louvre is eagerly awaiting the aquisition of the full Diaperman in Peril series, which is far superior to anything done by a 3rd edition artist. [/QUOTE] Yeppers, throwing up a random piece of artwork definitely proves your point. And what core books or supplements have yourjunior high doodles been published in? Or perhaps they're in the Louvre? I could go on about how the First Ed. artists were operating under restrictions that modern artists don't have in terms of publishing resources and technology. I could mention how they were essentially creating things out of nothing in many cases, with only whatever descriptions came out of Dave and Gary's fevre dreams when it came to things like the Beholder, so maybe that's why those illos are a little on the lame side. And I could also mention how completely ludicrous it is to disparage the talents of those early artists since they were the inspiration for the very talented artists of today, and most of those modern artists would gladly admit to that. And if (as Sulaco rightly asserts) the artists of today generally produce superior work, maybe, just maybe, that is so partly because they are building on the foundation those earlier gentlemen laid. But to understand those points would require a sense of persepective, and I can see that I'm just trying to teach a catty little piggy to sing. So I'll stop, for Faragdar's sake. I'm going to go talk to the adults now, Junior. You go doodle in your junior high notebook and look at some hairstyles. And dream, son. Dream. JIM aka kyrin

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08/14/2006 11:21 AM
[QUOTE]MightyEinherjar wrote Not to mention how bad the 1e Gnolls looked...[/QUOTE] I was always bugged by their tiny little heads. Definitely an improvement. Interesting how I find myself using more gnolls in my game now that their artwork has improved! 'Course, some of those sweet Chainmail minis I've got help... JIM aka kyrin

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08/14/2006 11:26 AM
[QUOTE]KitShickers wrote Marilith's majesty in the mm 1e rendition was all tied up in her hair. So to speak. [/QUOTE] The headdress and hairdo are a distinctive trait. I also prefer the scowl in the MM 1.0 to the "Curse you, Buffy!" look in the minis face. Hopefully that will change when I see it in person. [QUOTE] I think someone asked if she has a belly button. Yes she does, but no Arnold abs. [/QUOTE] That's because Arnold invented abs back in 1983, and they didn't become commercially available until '85. JIM aka kyrin

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08/14/2006 11:35 AM
[QUOTE]xuthal wrote Yes, I find myself agreeing with you, Jim. Guess my imagination was stuck on the worst ones, like the Thought Eater (awful!). The examples you listed are still pretty cool. SGB[/QUOTE] Now what's wrong with an ethereal platypus that invades your mind? Tops on the list of Monsters I Never Used, Even in High School. I would have loved to have listened to that planning session with the artist, though. JIM aka kyrin

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