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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
    
Baltimore, MD
 | | 09/28/2006 4:26 PM |
| With some of the discussions going on I was thinking back to old campaigns and one of the first games I ever judged had a player that was a cleric of Thor. Now if she collected minis, I bet she would love to see an Aspect or cleric of Thor mini. Do you think they should expand into the "real world" pantheons, since they have discussed them in some of the RPG books, or should they just stick to FR, Greyhawk, and Eberron?
I'd like to see more pantheons represented, frankly. I think it would also bring in minis of differnet cultural backgrounds that haven't been represented very well todate.
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Orion72
Underboss
1917 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 5:59 PM |
| RPGers would say, "only if they can be proxied for something else". Skirmishers only care if the critters have playable stats.
Put a hammer in his hand, and Kord makes an acceptable Aspect of Thor. And if the mini had been Thor instead of Kord, it would still be a great skirmish piece.
Personally, I'd like the variety available by bringing in Greco-Roman, Norse, Celtic and Oriental pantheons. However, there are already so many FR, Eberron and core Gods yet to be made, that it would dilute the focus of the line. Let's wait until we have Corellon and Gruumsh, Vecna, the Archfiends and so on before we start getting Zeus, Odin and such. | | | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 09/28/2006 6:12 PM |
| Yes they exploit their main things, Greyhawk is the one who has more aspects, Forgotten has some, but Eberron None yet; i hope some day odin and athenas are included as minis (since there is a Gods and Demigods Book which includes them all)
For now i would be happy to have many misc gods and clerics, like Ladruger (for Duergars) | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 09/28/2006 6:17 PM |
| | I am with Orion, we need the base gods first, along with the FR gods and maybe then, say,...Dragonlance !!! | |
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Corim Danex
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6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 09/28/2006 6:30 PM |
| | I am not interested in the pantheons or non-standard deity aspects or clerics. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 09/28/2006 7:11 PM |
| I am interested in the whole thing. I'd love to see material on the Greek and Egyptian deities (even if they don't go by those names in the Deities and Demigods book).
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maijstral
Underboss
2105 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 7:39 PM |
| Posted By Luisjoey on 09/28/2006 6:12 PM
Yes they exploit their main things, Greyhawk is the one who has more aspects, Forgotten has some, but Eberron None yet; i hope some day odin and athenas are included as minis (since there is a Gods and Demigods Book which includes them all)
For now i would be happy to have many misc gods and clerics, like Ladruger (for Duergars)
I hope they never make an aspect of an Eberron God. One of the principles of Eberron is is that the gods may not actually exsist. No one has seen them they never manifest even the celestials have never seen them, the Gods are a matter of faith.
Argueably the aspect could be a celestial taking form,but I think aspects are supposed to be a little piece of the diety and the dieties never take a hands on approach in Eberron. | | | |
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 09/28/2006 8:15 PM |
| Well i´m not talking about the sovereing Host, But things like VOL would be nice  | |
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 09/28/2006 8:17 PM |
| | As an RPG person, I only want aspects if they can substitute for something else. So a medium sized aspect of a Norse or Egyptian or Greek/Roman deity would be fine with me, as it could substitute as something else, but a large one would not be o.k. unless it could easily and gracefully substitute for a giant or ogre or other large creature from the core D&D rules or an enlarged adventurer not already covered (such as an enlarged wizard or enlarged human fighter or cleric. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 09/29/2006 1:08 AM |
| I would like to have as much of the aspects of FR and Greyhawk deities as possible. If they did most of them, there would be plenty of proxies for the non-core setting gamer to pick from.
So: no other aspects please for me.
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 09/29/2006 3:21 AM |
| IMO finish all of the base D&D Gods first.Â
Then after that, have a ball, any Aspects of other gods are ok by me. Â
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gss_000
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3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/29/2006 6:28 AM |
| In FR, if they branched out to the Mulhurandi pantheon, that'd be great. But the standard set is so standard, or at least there hasn't been much variety beyond the typical fantsy tropes. Nothing wrong with that, you need to do the most common first. But now we're closing in on the 4th year of minis and 10 sets. I think we can branch out a little.
Classic pantheons have been such a staple of D&D back to the original Dieties and Demigods, it'd be a shame just to ignore them. | |
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Dordledum
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3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 09/29/2006 6:37 AM |
| gss_000, I think you are representing a minority with that point of view. A minority which probably is even smaller outside the group of hardcore mini-freaks here at maxminis. But only a poll would show whether my feelings are right.
I think some gamers would enjoy a more diverse take on aspects, but the majority does play in a Greyhawk/FR/Eberron/Dragonlance setting or in some other classic fantasy setting. All those players would have no clear use for the "weird god aspect" minis if those had no clear proxy-use within core D&D.
Note that my entire post is based on speculation. I'd start a poll, but I don't know how.
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Mjollnir
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1500 Posts
Canary Islands - Spain
| | 09/29/2006 3:05 PM |
| | I would like to see made some Aspects of the elven and dwarven pantheon as well as some other demihuman deities, ie.: Corellon Larethian, Eillistraee, Dumathoin, Clangeddin SilverBeard, Callarduran SmoothHands,... | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 09/29/2006 5:26 PM |
| | I wouldn't mind seeing aspects of real world deities but I'd prefer some more Forgotten Realms ones first. | | | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1067 Posts
| | 09/29/2006 5:34 PM |
| | Still Waaaaay too much good stuff right from the propper D&D books before it's necessary to throw Norse, Greek or Roman mythology into the mix. Where's the Cleric of Helm for example? | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/29/2006 5:48 PM |
| Oh, I completely agree that I'm in the minority, and quite expected it. But why not put something like this out there for people to consider? It does no good just rattling inside my head. Squeaky wheel and all that. 
I think there's no problem with staying with the homegrown campaigns, just why be limited to them when WOTC doesn't have to be. I could agree with the Aspects, but I don't see what the problem with clerics are, which are also part of the thread. We have so many that span an impressive array of gods already, I don't see why it can't be further expanded. Even one or two from another pantheon, even one representing the whole pantheon, I think would make the whole game more inclusive. Three or four minis over three or four sets seems like a very small thing for a big gain. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 09/29/2006 6:17 PM |
| | We could have one Lawful Good aspect for an oriental campaign and samurai's, Shugenja's of all campaigns. I use Guan Yu as God Of War in my OA campaign. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 09/29/2006 8:19 PM |
| My only issue with this idea if they put even just one in each set then it would be taking a slot that would have gone to something else - possibly a more playable or useful mini. As an aspect it would likely be a rare and for many gamers (RPG and DDM skirmishers) it likely wouldn't be a valued mini.
It will take years before they run out of D+D Aspects. Maybe then they'll include Aspects from other pantheons. I can wait.
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zdrake
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279 Posts
Albany, CA (near Berkeley)
| | 09/29/2006 9:48 PM |
| | I'd love to see the Egyptian/Mulhorandi pantheon represented in terms of priests, aspects, and monsters (sphinxes!). We already have the Hound Archon, mummy, and mummy lord that sort of fit in this genre. I think enough fantasy settings have an Egyptian-inspired area that the inclusion of some of these shouldn't be too annoying. And some classic modules have Egyptian themes or inspiration: the Desert of Desolation series (I3-I5), Tomb of Horrors (sort of), the old Dragon Magazine adventure Ruins of Andril, etc. | |
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yack
Commander
3321 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 09/30/2006 6:13 AM |
| | if it ain't in D&D it shouldn't be made for this miniature line, its Dungeons and Dragon Miniatures not anything fantasy minis. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/30/2006 7:07 AM |
| Posted By Star on 09/29/2006 8:19 PM
My only issue with this idea if they put even just one in each set then it would be taking a slot that would have gone to something else - possibly a more playable or useful mini. As an aspect it would likely be a rare and for many gamers (RPG and DDM skirmishers) it likely wouldn't be a valued mini.
It will take years before they run out of D+D Aspects. Maybe then they'll include Aspects from other pantheons. I can wait.
As I said, I can agree with the idea of limiting Aspects. I see that their rarity means that they should be focused on more commn or useful figures. But what about clerics? I think we can give up the space taken by the tavern brawler or commoner and put in more uncommon (not fig rarity, more in terms of rarity of use) cleric or two.
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gss_000
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Baltimore, MD
| | 09/30/2006 7:16 AM |
| Posted By yack on 09/30/2006 6:13 AM
if it ain't in D&D it shouldn't be made for this miniature line, its Dungeons and Dragon Miniatures not anything fantasy minis.
But these are in D&D. Let's forget about what happened pre-3rd Ed, just for arguments sake. In Dieties and Demigods from pages 99-201 they list fantasy versions of the Greek, Egyptian, and Norse gods and goddesses. They are not standard, granted, nor the most common. But they are there in the latest edition.
I'd even be pleased if they went beyond the standard gods in the Greyhawk and FR worlds. The Olmec have Mezoamericn gods, the Mulhorandi are Egyptian/Babylonian, Chult = African, etc. Making figs for these would even satisfy what I'd like to see.Â
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PaSquall
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1399 Posts
| | 09/30/2006 10:37 AM |
| I'd like some clerics and even aspects of norse, egyptian and greek gods, although not a priority. Could be useful as I think many people play in homebrew settings and these pantheons are classic ones that every fantasy gamer know more or less, at least a little bit.
But as zoroaster said, make aspects medium-sized to proxy them as PCs/NPCs, for those non-interested.
I'd like to see aspects and clerics of Aphrodite, Ra and Isis. | |
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yack
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3321 Posts
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| | 09/30/2006 8:49 PM |
| gss_000
I take part of that back, that would fine as I playin the FR world i was talking more like the odd gods from cultures that you rarely hear about..sorry for the misunderstanding like I said if they are in a D&D book go for it. (don't care what edition)
AS for them being meduim thats where I disagree... I like them large that way when you drop them on the top fear begins. But thats just me. | |
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gss_000
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3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 09/30/2006 9:16 PM |
| | No prob. I think Aspects should be large, and there I can see what people are saying. I think I've come around to see that Aspects should be of the "standard" pantheons while there are just so many that haven't been done. My comments are now gearing more towards clerics now, which I think they can spread out to other pantheons. | |
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12541 Posts
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| | 10/01/2006 6:11 PM |
| | I wouldn't mind some expansion to cover other deities, but I would like it to stay within the realm of D&D. And let's take care of some of the staples first. I'd really like to see an Asp. of Mephistopheles and an Asp. of Gruumsh. | |
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DinoBen
Sergeant
412 Posts
Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
| | 10/02/2006 11:34 AM |
| I am both an avid Skirmisher and Role-Player, but from the viewpoint of the latter, I think the most common use of many "aspects" is the Enlarge Person spell.
Right now, most enlarged PCs end up looking like Kord or a Sand Giant. An aspect of St. Cuthbert would be great for most enlarged fighters or clerics - the most likely recipients of that spell. Dwarves are covered by the Aspect of Moradin, but there are no suitable Large sized Female humanoids, the only think close is the Storm Giant, and she's just a bit TOO big. Making an "aspect" may be the only venue to get a Large female miniature, an Aspect of Baccob would be nice. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
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Québec
| | 10/02/2006 12:21 PM |
| | An Aspect of Mystra would fill the enlarged humanoid female void and add a magic deity as well. Just a thought. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 10/02/2006 12:51 PM |
| I think the enlarged humanoid aspects are good example, but I think we could take it farther than just PCs. I'd love to see monstrous humanoid Aspects as well. An Aspect of Gruumsh would be very useful, as would Aspects of Maglubiyet or Yeenoghu. I'd love to have large versions of these epic humanoid race deities...
Another use of Aspects that could be interesting: Ones that could double as typical monsters. Kord has doubled as a Hill Giant for many players. An aspect of Malar would be an example of a Hill Giant Lycanthrope, or an Aspect of Auril could be a Frost Giant Cleric/Sorcereress.... | |
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Talistran
Warrior
310 Posts
| | 10/02/2006 2:28 PM |
| I am posting again to simply point out to Shoe or anyone from WotC that I do not want Egyptian Gods or anything like that until we get some of the regular ones again.
Gruumsh, Helm, Mystara, etc. PLEASE if you HAVE to put in Aspects.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/02/2006 6:11 PM |
| Well if you can do it....
I'd ask to see those Egyptian gods (as their Mulhorandim counterparts, if needs be). While I'd like to see those others mentioned as well, I think we're at the stage where a little expansion of flavor would be nice. | |
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