heirodule
Sneak
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Philly
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| Can anyone put these two minis next to each other and take a pic for size comparison purposes?
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Richard II
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3663 Posts
| | 10/29/2006 4:40 PM |
| | No, but I can tell you the fire giant forgepriest's hammer is bigger than the pit fiend from base to top of pit fiend's head. | |
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Harneloot
Sergeant
575 Posts
| | 10/29/2006 6:18 PM |
| Yes, a side by side comparison would be excellent to see. Maybe add King Snurre as well?
That sounds like a VERY big hammer. | |
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| | Yeah I played against 2 warbands with FGFB...he IS big. | |
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| | 10/29/2006 6:56 PM |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/29/2006 8:50 PM |
| | He looks like a giant version of a fire giant. Like he's storm giant size but the appearance of a fire giant. Sorry, I don't have one nor do I have a digital camera. | |
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greyhaze
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7737 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 6:19 AM |
| I was simply amazed at the difference in scale when I put them side by side. Here, I'll illustrate the point with a comparison (sorry, I took a photo, but forgot the cable at home). Keeping in mind the bases are now larger than they used to be...
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shoesan
Warrior
263 Posts
Beaufort, SC
| | 10/30/2006 6:53 AM |
| Perfect... if the Forgepriest was actually Snurre that is... There really shouldn't be a fire giant bigger than Snurre...
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yack
Commander
3321 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 10/30/2006 6:57 AM |
| | Sweet thanks for sharing that... can't wait to actually have one in my hands. | |
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Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/30/2006 7:43 AM |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 10/30/2006 7:55 AM |
| If that is truly the difference in size, I am dumbfounded by all the complaints. The forgepriest is supposed to be strong - he works in a forge all day. That explains the bulk. As for his height, if you ignore the hair, he is only about 5% taller than the other two giants. That makes him slightly tall for his race. Big deal. Â
I wish all of the giants were a bit smaller, as they are a slight bit out of proportion compared to the D&D RPG specifications, but the difference between this new FG and the old FG isn't worth worrying about. | |
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Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/30/2006 7:58 AM |
| | Maybe I can pull this unit quickly by Box Weight......... How many weight??? | |
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yack
Commander
3321 Posts
Gatineau Canada
| | 10/30/2006 9:07 AM |
| I agree with jgsugden
If that is what the difference is this is no big deal its not like the human commoner. | |
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| | 10/30/2006 10:52 AM |
| | ...And the three of them are RARE! We need Uncommon Fire (and Frost) Giants NOW! | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 11:31 AM |
| Posted By jgsugden on 10/30/2006 7:55 AM
If that is truly the difference in size, I am dumbfounded by all the complaints.Â
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He's got a full head of height on Snurre, from head top (not hair top) to head top, Snurre is supposed to be a biggin... this scale suxxors.
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 10/30/2006 11:37 AM |
| | I know these arent Bloodwar minis...But for a real good laugh I'd love someone to post a side-by-side pic of a Goliath Barbarian next to a Goliath Cleric. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 11:42 AM |
| | For me the complaint isn't that he's bigger than the other fire giants, the problem is that ALL the fire giants are too big. Fire giants should only be about twice as tall as a human (~12 feet.) These are a LOT bigger than that.
The problem extends to all the giants. Hill giants and ogres are just as bad if not worse in DDM. | |
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Harneloot
Sergeant
575 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 1:45 PM |
| | Obviously too big, but I'll agree with others and say its not as bad as people made it out to be. I'm a full head taller than my dad, and my brother-in-law is 4 inches and 60lbs bigger than i am.... | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 3:33 PM |
| Posted By IanB on 10/30/2006 11:42 AM
For me the complaint isn't that he's bigger than the other fire giants, the problem is that ALL the fire giants are too big. Fire giants should only be about twice as tall as a human (~12 feet.) These are a LOT bigger than that. The problem extends to all the giants. Hill giants and ogres are just as bad if not worse in DDM.
Dang it. See, that's what I'd like to see. The minis representing their proper size. The fact that the originals were too large bothers me even more. When I play I use these things as representations of the MM creatures. Their scale affects my reactions to them in play. | |
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Red Ranger
Sergeant
708 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 8:00 PM |
| Posted By jgsugden on 10/30/2006 7:55 AM
If that is truly the difference in size, I am dumbfounded by all the complaints. The forgepriest is supposed to be strong - he works in a forge all day. That explains the bulk. As for his height, if you ignore the hair, he is only about 5% taller than the other two giants. That makes him slightly tall for his race. Big deal. Â
I wish all of the giants were a bit smaller, as they are a slight bit out of proportion compared to the D&D RPG specifications, but the difference between this new FG and the old FG isn't worth worrying about.Â
That's not truley the difference in size, the new large bases are the same vertical thickness as the old ones, and the above pictures are clearly not to scale becase the forgepriest's base appears much thinner than Snurre's and the firegiant.
I compared a Cadaver Collector to Snurre when the Forgepriest was first previewed and disregarding Snurre's upheld sword they are about the same height. Perhaps somone with more photoshop-fu than I could put a picture of the CC and FGFP next to each other to see the difference? I'll doa pic of the two next to each other in actuality once I have a FGFP to take a picture of. | |
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 8:24 PM |
| | Don't use photoshop. Someone with a camera just needs to take pictures of both figures standing together. | |
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Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 2:38 AM |
| Posted By shoesan on 10/30/2006 6:53 AM
Perfect... if the Forgepriest was actually Snurre that is... There really shouldn't be a fire giant bigger than Snurre...
Ditto.
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1399 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 2:40 AM |
| Posted By IanB on 10/30/2006 11:42 AM
 the problem is that ALL the fire giants are too big. Fire giants should only be about twice as tall as a human (~12 feet.) These are a LOT bigger than that. The problem extends to all the giants. Hill giants and ogres are just as bad if not worse in DDM. QFT.
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 4:29 AM |
| I like bigger giants. I always found that D&D had made thier giants too small anyway.
As for it not matching what is listed in the book.
????? how does that hurt anything???
the giant mini is 15' tall for example (just a guess) In the MM is says they are 12' (not sure, but something like that).
How the hell does it not matching that one line in the MM effect your game in the least way. It is still a large.
I am not trying to attack anyone posting here, but I just don't see how it makes any difference. The MM is not a holy scripture. They don't even match with eairlier versons of themselves. I alway use the MM a as only a guideline of what a monster is like.
Also remember that most entries in the MM are the weakest version on the race. A 10HD version of a monster that ranges from 10 - 20 hd is likly going to be smaller then a 20 hd verson. (I know thats not giant HD, but since I don't have any books at work I just made up numbers) | |
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kritter
Underboss
1336 Posts
Calgary, Alberta Canada
| | 10/31/2006 6:29 AM |
| its weird that between 2nd edition and 3-3.5 fire giants lost 6 feet in height
they were listed as 18 feet in the old books | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 7:07 AM |
| Posted By Red Ranger on 10/30/2006 8:00 PM
That's not truley the difference in size, the new large bases are the same vertical thickness as the old ones, and the above pictures are clearly not to scale becase the forgepriest's base appears much thinner than Snurre's and the firegiant.
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Benimoto
Underboss
1125 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 7:53 AM |
| Here, not the best picture since my GoL Fire Giant has a case of the leans, but this should show the difference.
The Forgepriest is about a full head taller than the GoL giant, and much bulkier.
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Benimoto
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1125 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 7:56 AM |
| Posted By orcdoubleax on 10/31/2006 4:29 AM
Also remember that most entries in the MM are the weakest version on the race. A 10HD version of a monster that ranges from 10 - 20 hd is likly going to be smaller then a 20 hd verson. (I know thats not giant HD, but since I don't have any books at work I just made up numbers) That's true. Statistics-wise, the Forgepriest and Snurre are using elite stats, while the normal giant is an average warrior. I can definitely see that being reflected in their size.
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Underboss
2151 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 8:37 AM |
| | his head is 2x bigger than the other guys. he could be working at the forge and you could justify the arms and legs but not the head. must be on the barry bonds juice. the hill giant barbarian was also bigger than the older one but the older one just looked like he missed a few meals to begin with | |
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Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 10/31/2006 9:30 AM |
| Posted By Count Dooku on 10/30/2006 11:37 AM
I know these arent Bloodwar minis...But for a real good laugh I'd love someone to post a side-by-side pic of a Goliath Barbarian next to a Goliath Cleric.
It would seem worshipping Kaveki stunts your growth 
As long as the forgepriest isn't pushing the boundaries of Huge, I'm cool with it. If my group actually has the time to start worrying about specific scale issues, I'm obviously not close enough the TPKs.
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heirodule
Sneak
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Philly
| | 10/31/2006 11:12 AM |
| Posted By orcdoubleax on 10/31/2006 4:29 AM
I like bigger giants. I always found that D&D had made thier giants too small anyway.
As for it not matching what is listed in the book.
????? how does that hurt anything???
the giant mini is 15' tall for example (just a guess) In the MM is says they are 12' (not sure, but something like that).
How the hell does it not matching that one line in the MM effect your game in the least way. It is still a large.
The issue to me is that the giants segregate themselves by size. Frost are going to be bigger. Stone are bigger than fire giants, hill are smaller. If the forgepriest is the new scale for fire giants (and he's like at the top of the scale for what you can fit on a Large base) then Frost and stone won't look right next to him.
It isn't just about fire giznt size variance, but how they fit into the scheme of all giant sizes.
I still say the problem the sculptors have made is that the 10x 10 base is too big to make a 9'-11' tall creature look "kewl" when you put it on the base. Flesh Golem, I'm looking at you.
So instead we get scale creep because it looks kewler.
If anyone wants to put the stone giant and the frost giant and the fomorian in the picture too, I'd appreciate it...
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Oryan77
Sergeant
959 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 12:37 PM |
| The size difference doesn't look that bad to me. Of course I haven't seen it in person yet. But I'm not really freaking out when I see that pic.
It's not terribly out of wack. And I don't mind thinking about it as if the forgepriests were like Snurre's elite bodyguards. I really don't mind them being bigger than the regular Fire Giant. I don't mind slight variations as long as the bulk is bigger also (which these look to be bulked up).
I just don't like having minis with normal proportions but obviously scaled bigger. If 1 human mini is way bigger than another human mini, but the head is obviously bigger, than it doesn't look like a big man, it looks like a difference in scale.
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Oryan77
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959 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 12:39 PM |
| Posted By heirodule on 10/31/2006 11:12 AM Posted By orcdoubleax on 10/31/2006 4:29 AM
It isn't just about fire giznt size variance, but how they fit into the scheme of all giant sizes.
Can anyone post what it looks like with a Frost Giant next to the Forgepriest?
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Harneloot
Sergeant
575 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 1:15 PM |
| | How about a full Giant Line-up? One where they are in order of size as listed in the MM.... | |
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Anaxagoras
Warrior
318 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 1:20 PM |
| I have to concur, the Forge Priest is nowhere near as bad as I feared. I'm 5'8 and 200 lbs...one of my best friends is 6'5 and 400 lbs. Now we have figs to represent us!
I DO fear, however, the idea of new-base induced size creep. However, figs like the Horned Devil, Solar and Hellcat give me hope. The Green Slaad, Maug and Howler does not.
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 10/31/2006 2:15 PM |
| Posted By IanB on 10/30/2006 11:42 AM
For me the complaint isn't that he's bigger than the other fire giants, the problem is that ALL the fire giants are too big. Fire giants should only be about twice as tall as a human (~12 feet.) These are a LOT bigger than that. The problem extends to all the giants. Hill giants and ogres are just as bad if not worse in DDM.
I'll second what Ian said - the DDM Fire Giants are WAY WAY too big or outta scale.Â
Next, Firegiant Forgepriest is the next mess up. Way too big compared to the other Fire Giant and especially so even bigger than King Snurre. Should'nt have happened.Â
BUT, I really like the Firegiant Forgepriest. Cool sculpt and mini.Â
And a big thanks to those posting the picture comparrison.Â
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1379 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 10/31/2006 3:28 PM |
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12541 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 10/31/2006 3:37 PM |
| Posted By kritter on 10/31/2006 6:29 AM
its weird that between 2nd edition and 3-3.5 fire giants lost 6 feet in height
they were listed as 18 feet in the old books
2nd ed. is more what I thought giants to be like. Huge mothers that could stomp us like ants. Not some guy that Shaq could out-muscle in the paint. | |
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SYB
Warrior
328 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 8:41 PM |
| Why is it that everyone seems to think that creatures other than humans are not allowed to have variation. I have met a number of people who are at least a head taller than me and weigh twice as much as I do (I weigh ~150 and I am 5'11"). Standard human beings vary from about 4'9" to 7'6". This is a nearly three foot variance (which is a lot on a creature that averages at about 5'7").
Just because every fire giant (or hobgoblin or orc or whatever) isn't EXACTLY the same build, doesn't mean it is wrong. There just seems to be a lot of complaining for no good reason.
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Ridureyu
Underboss
1622 Posts
| | 10/31/2006 8:44 PM |
| | It's because there's really nothing else "wrong" with this set. | |
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