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Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
    
West Valley City, Utah
 | | 10/30/2006 7:30 AM |
| I am starting this thread so that anyone who wants to petition WotC to pay more attention to scaling more in the future (like not making Fire Giant Warpriest too big, the Maug too big, the dwarf on Thundertusk as big as a human, and related issues) can post
Post "Yes" if you want to petition for more consistency in size and not having miniatures made too big (especially those on large bases).
Post "No" if you like them how they are and don't want them to spend time worrying about scaling, or that you like things being made bigger, or so much out of scale with previous DDM.
RESULTS (through delguidance's post-5)
Yes
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No
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Maybe (Agree generally, but lower priority than sculpt, paint--see Sulaco's post for more information)
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/30/2006 7:30 AM |
| | Yes | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 10/30/2006 7:41 AM |
| | YES!!!!!!!! Hi Calvar | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/30/2006 7:41 AM |
| | No. | |
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jgsugden
Commander
4320 Posts
Walnut Creek, CA
| | 10/30/2006 7:51 AM |
| This petition will serve no purpose. It isn't like WotC thinks that size doesn't matter. They know! They've mentioned it in multiple articles. They've posted comments on the issue in various threads. They're doing their best!
Crafting these miniatures isn't easy. There are a huge number of factors that come into play that most of us don't understand. In fact, given that much of their process is secret, I'd venture to say that the number of people reading these boards that don't work for WotC/Hasbro, yet know those factors, can be counted on zero hands. All we know is that there are issues - and we only know this because the people on the inside have told us that the issues exist.
Give them a break. | |
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 8:05 AM |
| Crafting these miniatures isn't easy. There are a huge number of factors that come into play that most of us don't understand. In fact, given that much of their process is secret, I'd venture to say that the number of people reading these boards that don't work for WotC/Hasbro, yet know those factors, can be counted on zero hands. All we know is that there are issues - and we only know this because the people on the inside have told us that the issues exist.
Give them a break.
I think that people are just expressing their opinion, is not like someone is aiming a gun or anything, besides maybe you have acces to people and info in WoTC but most of us don't, and since WoTC has not pronounced officially on the matter people (i.e. clients) are trying to give some feedback about the product which I think is understandable. | |
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zoroaster100
Sergeant
873 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 8:10 AM |
| | Yes! And by the way, I think this petition does serve a purpose. Sure, WOTC is not making things out of scale on purpose (I hope), but it's all about priorities. They need to know that for many customers, this is a very important issue. I would gladly give up clear plastic, and many other things that are less important to me than having the creatures be in more in scale than they have been lately. | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 8:37 AM |
| Put me down for "maybe."
In other words I would like a consistent scale but good-quality, decent-looking figures are far more important.
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 10/30/2006 8:48 AM |
| | I agree with Sulaco. I care about scaling, but I care about almost everything else more. If everything could be scaled correctly AND good quality sculpts and paintjobs - great. If I have to choose one or the other then scaling looses out. | |
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stephengroy
Underboss
1440 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 10/30/2006 8:51 AM |
| | YES! | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 8:55 AM |
| | I'll agree with Sulaco here. Besides, most of the time WotC does get it right. Just the occasional flukes get through. | |
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| Knight of Argenis
Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/30/2006 9:19 AM |
| Posted By jgsugden on 10/30/2006 7:51 AM This petition will serve no purpose. It isn't like WotC thinks that size doesn't matter. They know! They've mentioned it in multiple articles. They've posted comments on the issue in various threads. They're doing their best!
Crafting these miniatures isn't easy. There are a huge number of factors that come into play that most of us don't understand. In fact, given that much of their process is secret, I'd venture to say that the number of people reading these boards that don't work for WotC/Hasbro, yet know those factors, can be counted on zero hands. All we know is that there are issues - and we only know this because the people on the inside have told us that the issues exist.
Give them a break.
My intention is simply to draw their attention to the number of people who care. If it results in a few sculpts being closer to proportional, then great. If it's something that can't be helped much, due to sculpt and paint and other issues being so important, then oh well. I love the products and am very close to being highly pleased with just about everything. I'm still forking out my money like I was before. Actually, I'm forking out a bit more since I am buying about the same volume as I was before the price increase. I know I am not "in the know" about the true nature of all the factors that affect how DDM is produced and I don't expect the secrets to be spilled out. I do see that customer feedback regarding many other issues has been listened to. Some of that feedback has resulted in changes. This may or may not make a difference, but the issue is important enough to me to speak about. Even if my voice is tiny. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 10/30/2006 9:20 AM |
| Posted By Sulaco on 10/30/2006 8:37 AM
Put me down for "maybe."
In other words I would like a consistent scale but good-quality, decent-looking figures are far more important.
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Thenameless
Warlord
12541 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 10/30/2006 9:46 AM |
| Posted By Sulaco on 10/30/2006 8:37 AM
Put me down for "maybe."
In other words I would like a consistent scale but good-quality, decent-looking figures are far more important.
I like this position as well. While proper scale is nice, overall quality (i.e. paint & sculpt) rank higher for me. | |
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 9:58 AM |
| | I dont see why correct scaling is going to harm quility (sure, I know that if you make the fire giant as large as uncle bob you can make even the detail of its nose hair, but I think this is not the point). I think that WotC has the technologycal means to do in-scale good-quality minis (for example the Bralani looks good and in-scale), besides they've just increased the prices. | |
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Soup13
Sneak
51 Posts
NL Canada
| | 10/30/2006 10:08 AM |
| lets assume the Wotc try’s to get scaling right when
possible, however scaling is one of many constraints faced in making the mini's
(paint steps, amount of paint, number of colors, amount of plastic, complexity
of the mold, ect)
when faced with numerous constraints in production there are trade off whenever
all allocated resources are used up. That is assuming they use the entire
production budget on production, unless they add more resources (meaning higher
prices for us), more accurate scaling means less of something else.
One can take it on faith the Wotc is doing their best to enhance the quality and value associated
with one of their most profitable product lines. Therefore they are trying to make
the best mini's possible in order to increases sales.
If they can enhance scaling with no trade offs fine. However, if as I suspect optimizing
the scaling would results in losses elsewhere, then I would be against it.
Of course, they are not giving us everything we want
all at once, like any good dealer they are keeping us hooked, but thats
another issue all together.
Cheers,
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 10:13 AM |
| One can take it on faith the Wotc is doing their best to enhance the quality and value associated with one of their most profitable product lines.
Well, maybe your right, but who knows for sure, lest remember that they dont have competition (in what refers to original D&D minis), so maybe they do not worry that much. | |
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 10/30/2006 10:23 AM |
| | Yes | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/30/2006 10:25 AM |
| | I would be more convinced of the scaling being something that was slipping by because other things were higher on the list of priorities if the previewers didn't glamorize the larger size of the minis. I get the impression from reading the previews that bigger is better. Actually, bigger means there's more painting required. I realize that smaller means details are more challenging. But bigger does take more paint. | |
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nyjastul69
Commander
2731 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 10/30/2006 10:30 AM |
| | I'm in the maybe camp. | |
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AnarionZelle
Underboss
1197 Posts
USA
| | 10/30/2006 10:31 AM |
| | Yes | |
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Count Dooku
Commander
4637 Posts
New York
| | 10/30/2006 10:35 AM |
| I would be more convinced of the scaling being something that was slipping by because other things were higher on the list of priorities if the previewers didn't glamorize the larger size of the minis. I get the impression from reading the previews that bigger is better. I totally picked up on this vibe as well. Im surprised no one else has mentioned it. The previews do seem to hype up the fact that certain minis are bigger than they should be as if it were a good thing. | |
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 10:37 AM |
| | Yes | |
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Crisisman
Warrior
336 Posts
Kent, WA
| | 10/30/2006 10:49 AM |
| Yes.
A little variation is natural and normal, but too much is just distracting. My biggest issue is with the Large+ sizes. They don't need to, and shouldn't, overflow the bases. If they do, the scaling is clearly off. It also hinders gameplay when they are right next to one another.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 10/30/2006 10:53 AM |
| Posted By Sulaco on 10/30/2006 8:37 AM
Put me down for "maybe."
In other words I would like a consistent scale but good-quality, decent-looking figures are far more important.
This is why I said no. Since quality is most important to me, I don't want them to sacrifice that to have perfect scaling when already there have been scaling issues. If the entire collection isn't perfect, in my opinion it's not worth them to put more time into making the rest more so than it is already.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 11:22 AM |
| Put me down for Yes, I'd like to see more control over the scaling.
Quality, wasn't the issue raised, so I won't address it changing. | |
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 11:45 AM |
| At this point, since they've started adding saddles to all the mounted minis (hooray) scaling is probably my number one complaint with the minis line - and really I don't have many other complaints at all. I don't really believe that a lot of quality would be sacrificed by having giants be the size they're supposed to be according to the MM.
What I actually think causes the problem is that it is expensive to make sculptors resculpt a figure when it comes back too big. I guess that's just an economic reality type issue, but maybe the sculptors just need a little more direction or oversight. | |
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Hejas
Sergeant
435 Posts
Poland
| | 10/30/2006 12:03 PM |
| I totally agree with you.
It doesn't bother me too much, but I don't see any other problems with D&D Miniatures. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6844 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 10/30/2006 12:08 PM |
| Posted By IanB on 10/30/2006 11:45 AM
What I actually think causes the problem is that it is expensive to make sculptors resculpt a figure when it comes back too big. I guess that's just an economic reality type issue, but maybe the sculptors just need a little more direction or oversight.
This makes a lot of sense. I think that size parameters should be given to sculptors when the original requests are sent to them. They should have some kind of general standards, like humans are about x mm tall, dwarves about y mm tall.
1' should correspond to a certain distance in mm. Approx height 12', for example. And then a conversion number in mm for the sculptor.
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orcdoubleax
Sergeant
694 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:13 PM |
| no
I like variation in the sizes of creatures of the same races. They are not clones there should be variation. | |
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NATE919HORNET
Sneak
58 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:17 PM |
| | Yes | |
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PDK
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:17 PM |
| No not really a concern, compared to what i was using for figures before minis, i think complaining about the scale being off on some is extremely silly | |
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:22 PM |
| not really a concern, compared to what i was using for figures before minis, i think complaining about the scale being off on some is extremely silly
Remember that they are not free, and they've just rised prices. | |
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PDK
Sneak
134 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:25 PM |
| | ive spent thousands of dollars on these toys, i could never forget they are not free | |
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calvar
Warrior
226 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:32 PM |
| ive spent thousands of dollars on these toys, i could never forget they are not free
Thats my point, we spend lots of $$ in this so I think some scale is not so much to ask for. | |
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 10/30/2006 12:37 PM |
| Posted By orcdoubleax on 10/30/2006 12:13 PM
I like variation in the sizes of creatures of the same races. They are not clones there should be variation.
I don't think we're asking for clones, but a reasonable range would be nice.
It is hard not to think of them as clone-like when we've got 2-12 of the same things "on the board" we'd like them to look like the "average". | |
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qillan_dvra
Underboss
1588 Posts
Oztraylya
| | 10/30/2006 1:02 PM |
| Yes.
Snig, Worg Rider is a ridiculous example.
Worgs in Harbinger are a bit bigger than a wolf but still medium and then Snig turns up on a Worg the size of a horse and he is suddenly the size of a human.
What's up with that........ | |
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rtcmc
Sneak
146 Posts
Eugene, OR
| | 10/30/2006 1:03 PM |
| | yes | |
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