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11/04/2006 12:27 AM
Posted By Azalin on 11/03/2006 11:36 PM Posted By Star on 11/02/2006 11:03 PM It will be cool to have a Raistlin mini. I would have rather of had a Tasselhof mini If they're going to do another character from Dragonlance, but Raistlin would be my second pick from the Dragonlance books. Tasselhof over Raistlin????? That just might be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You're expecting something that's not ridiculous from someone that enjoys playing kenders?

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11/04/2006 2:52 AM
Good point....

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11/04/2006 5:34 AM
Posted By PatEllis15 on 11/03/2006 7:59 AM Well, I think that Raistlin will be in set 13 or 14. He will have Red Robes as well... However, at Gen Con they will release (ala EdCon) repainted Raistlin in black, along with his Epic card... Pat E Yes, I suppose his stats depend upon at what point they draw him from the novels. If taken from the first book of the Chronicles, say, he might be a 3rd-level magic-user (that's the term from the books, by god, not wizard, 3.5 Edition be damned!). However, if taken from his apex in the Twins trilogy, he'll be able to wipe out our Colossal Red Dragon in a single round. I'll be disappointed if he weighs in at less than 100 points. Pat's prediction is probably profound (as is my alliteration!).

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11/04/2006 6:25 AM
Posted By Lance H on 11/04/2006 5:34 AM Posted By PatEllis15 on 11/03/2006 7:59 AM Well, I think that Raistlin will be in set 13 or 14. He will have Red Robes as well... However, at Gen Con they will release (ala EdCon) repainted Raistlin in black, along with his Epic card... Pat E Yes, I suppose his stats depend upon at what point they draw him from the novels. If taken from the first book of the Chronicles, say, he might be a 3rd-level magic-user (that's the term from the books, by god, not wizard, 3.5 Edition be damned!). However, if taken from his apex in the Twins trilogy, he'll be able to wipe out our Colossal Red Dragon in a single round. I'll be disappointed if he weighs in at less than 100 points. Pat's prediction is probably profound (as is my alliteration!). Well, it would make sense... As a red wizard he could be kept as a CG piece (where spell casters seem to be pigeon holed), but as black, he needs to be evil. What level was he by the end of the last of the original trilogy books? If he was ~12-14th level, they could make a VERY nice 50-60 point wizard. Epic LE, at 200 points or so.. I'm not all that familiar with him (read the original trilogy a couple of times, and the time of the twins books once when I was in 9th grade or so..). Care to shed some light on what pyrotechnics he liked to throw around, or approximate chronology of color/level? Pat E

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11/04/2006 8:56 PM
Posted By PatEllis15 on 11/04/2006 6:25 AM Posted By Lance H on 11/04/2006 5:34 AM Posted By PatEllis15 on 11/03/2006 7:59 AM Well, I think that Raistlin will be in set 13 or 14. He will have Red Robes as well... However, at Gen Con they will release (ala EdCon) repainted Raistlin in black, along with his Epic card... Pat E Yes, I suppose his stats depend upon at what point they draw him from the novels. If taken from the first book of the Chronicles, say, he might be a 3rd-level magic-user (that's the term from the books, by god, not wizard, 3.5 Edition be damned!). However, if taken from his apex in the Twins trilogy, he'll be able to wipe out our Colossal Red Dragon in a single round. I'll be disappointed if he weighs in at less than 100 points. Pat's prediction is probably profound (as is my alliteration!). Well, it would make sense... As a red wizard he could be kept as a CG piece (where spell casters seem to be pigeon holed), but as black, he needs to be evil. What level was he by the end of the last of the original trilogy books? If he was ~12-14th level, they could make a VERY nice 50-60 point wizard. Epic LE, at 200 points or so.. I'm not all that familiar with him (read the original trilogy a couple of times, and the time of the twins books once when I was in 9th grade or so..). Care to shed some light on what pyrotechnics he liked to throw around, or approximate chronology of color/level? Pat E he's level 20 which was 2 levels above the cap for the dragonlance setting. So basicly he was the most powerful wizard alive in the dragonlance setting and he's listed as CE. I honestly think he'ld make a great epic have him be true neutral at the low level and CE at high.

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11/04/2006 9:30 PM
If you were to honestly gauge his level at his apex,(in the alternate timeline where he defeated Takhisis and all the other gods), he would have to be at least level 50. The old 2nd edition books have most of the gods in Dragonlance in the 40 's and 50's in multiple classes.

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11/05/2006 6:36 AM
Posted By Azalin on 11/04/2006 9:30 PM If you were to honestly gauge his level at his apex,(in the alternate timeline where he defeated Takhisis and all the other gods), he would have to be at least level 50. The old 2nd edition books have most of the gods in Dragonlance in the 40 's and 50's in multiple classes. Very true. He kills every god, every dragon, everything. Raistlin is literally the last man standing, mortal or otherwise.

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11/05/2006 7:22 AM
Posted By Azalin on 11/04/2006 9:30 PM If you were to honestly gauge his level at his apex,(in the alternate timeline where he defeated Takhisis and all the other gods), he would have to be at least level 50. The old 2nd edition books have most of the gods in Dragonlance in the 40 's and 50's in multiple classes. 20 was his level during the legends timeline, I looked him up in my dragonlance book from the late 80's. He beat Takhisis on krynn which is why he was able to defeat her (she would have been more of an avatar on the mortal plane) once he won against her, then he became a god and defeated the rest of the god one by one.

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11/05/2006 8:00 AM
You have to consider that he was 20th level in AD&D. With 2nd edition it was much much much harder to get anywhere near that level. Post 20th level seems all too common any more.

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11/05/2006 8:17 AM
Which level was Elminster back in AD&D?

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11/05/2006 8:43 AM
Interesting. I found a site that has a list of cards that was published by TSR in 1991. So I know it's AD&D timeframe. Elminster is listed as lvl 26 Raistlin is listed as lvl 20 Here is the site if anyone else wants to compare and pull things out of it. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/add91.htm

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11/05/2006 11:39 AM
Posted By sage_raistlin on 11/05/2006 7:22 AM Posted By Azalin on 11/04/2006 9:30 PM If you were to honestly gauge his level at his apex,(in the alternate timeline where he defeated Takhisis and all the other gods), he would have to be at least level 50. The old 2nd edition books have most of the gods in Dragonlance in the 40 's and 50's in multiple classes. 20 was his level during the legends timeline, I looked him up in my dragonlance book from the late 80's. He beat Takhisis on krynn which is why he was able to defeat her (she would have been more of an avatar on the mortal plane) once he won against her, then he became a god and defeated the rest of the god one by one. You honestly think a 20th level mage would be able to defeat a God on Krynn or otherwise? I find that a little hard to swallow. But i suppose it's possible if not rather silly.

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11/05/2006 12:26 PM
A normal 20th level mage, no, but Raistlin was wierd with the whole Fistandantalus inhabiting him craziness. Who knows what that really should make him.

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11/05/2006 4:02 PM
Posted By Azalin on 11/05/2006 11:39 AM Posted By sage_raistlin on 11/05/2006 7:22 AM Posted By Azalin on 11/04/2006 9:30 PM If you were to honestly gauge his level at his apex,(in the alternate timeline where he defeated Takhisis and all the other gods), he would have to be at least level 50. The old 2nd edition books have most of the gods in Dragonlance in the 40 's and 50's in multiple classes. 20 was his level during the legends timeline, I looked him up in my dragonlance book from the late 80's. He beat Takhisis on krynn which is why he was able to defeat her (she would have been more of an avatar on the mortal plane) once he won against her, then he became a god and defeated the rest of the god one by one. You honestly think a 20th level mage would be able to defeat a God on Krynn or otherwise? I find that a little hard to swallow. But i suppose it's possible if not rather silly. Well I didn't write the novel, just looked up the info in the book for the correct timeline.�

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Azalin
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11/05/2006 4:37 PM
I think if you combined Raistlin at level 20 with the levels he got from Fistandantalus at say level 18 or whatever you would get a better gauge of is level and power.

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11/05/2006 7:01 PM
It would be bizaar to have him be CG and then switch to LE. And to think of him as CE is just even wierder. Just make him LE all the way.

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11/05/2006 7:04 PM
Posted By lingster on 11/03/2006 4:44 PM I talked to a friend about this list. The "Hierophant of the Seven Winds" is a high level driud. Back in 2nd Edition D&D there were only a few 20th level druids. He was one of them. We're getting an EPIC DRUID! I believe there could only ever be 1 Hierophant Druid in an order of druids.

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11/05/2006 7:13 PM
Epic Druid? Are we getting SUPER HIPPIE POWERS?

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11/05/2006 7:53 PM
The Carnage Demon could be from the Book of vile Darkness http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20030126a

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11/05/2006 11:51 PM
Posted By greyhaze on 11/05/2006 7:04 PM Posted By lingster on 11/03/2006 4:44 PM I talked to a friend about this list. The "Hierophant of the Seven Winds" is a high level driud. Back in 2nd Edition D&D there were only a few 20th level druids. He was one of them. We're getting an EPIC DRUID! I believe there could only ever be 1 Hierophant Druid in an order of druids. Not exactly. One great druid per circle, one grand druid period. Heirophants were all ex-great druids, and there could be more than one of them. In the Gord the Rogue books, Gygax portrayed them as a small group (three?) who tended to speak in unison.

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11/06/2006 1:02 AM
Well, an epic Divine spellcaster would rock. We've seen 9th level Arcane spells like Meteor Storm and Wail of the Banshee. Now what we need is 9th level divine spells... Mass Heal, Storm of Vengeance, Implosion, Elemental Swarm, you name it.

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11/06/2006 6:48 AM
Posted By Purple Warlock on 11/05/2006 7:53 PM The Carnage Demon could be from the Book of vile Darkness http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20030126a I don't see it listed there...

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11/06/2006 8:05 AM
Carnage Demon probably comes out of the Fiendish Codex II to be released in December, rather than from MM V. Not excited about mounted minis either. In my RPG sessions, it is very rare to fight on horseback, and besides fight I don't need miniatures. And anyway mounted minis come so slowly it would be ages before we get everything required for proper mounted encounters. However, mounted thingies always look cool, so... Cheers Al.

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11/06/2006 9:26 AM
I was going to say the same thing. We hardly ever have mounted combat in our sessions, but at least they are nice looking minis, the slots aren't a waste.

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11/06/2006 3:57 PM
Mounted halflings are a lot more common in my group, but for several of us who have mounted/paladin characters having more minis to represent them is good. And strange mounts do come up (I know someone who would love a figure on a dire elk, I'm being serious).

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11/06/2006 4:42 PM
In my party we use the mounted paladin often, because we have a lot of terrain to covert, and with prestige class of cavalier, paladin/cavalier is devastating with his charge!!!

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11/06/2006 11:18 PM
Mounted combat comes up in my games dependant on the situation and characters involved. The last game that I ran the players weren't interested in it. This next game that I'm running one of the players has taken some mounted feats and concentrating on his ride skill. There has to be some opportunities for him to use those feats and his ride skill. Not every session - but once in while.

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11/07/2006 5:31 AM
Most importantly... does this give me a vindication?

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11/07/2006 5:45 AM
any chance he doesnt make it too unhallowed and in reality hes in the set after that. If hes in the set chances should be good he makes booster art?

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11/07/2006 11:41 AM
Posted By Alakhai on 11/06/2006 8:05 AM Carnage Demon probably comes out of the Fiendish Codex II to be released in December, rather than from MM V. I don't think they'll add any demons to a tome for devils, so MM V would be my guess.

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11/07/2006 12:16 PM
Posted By greyhaze on 11/07/2006 5:31 AM Most importantly... does this give me a vindication? Sorry, not so much. I'm not even 100% sure about my own vindication, though if there isn't a Strahd in Unhallowed, heads will roll! There's no guarantee that any of the minis from the artist's page will actually be made, or when.

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11/07/2006 6:44 PM
Yeh, I know. But, they'll slip, and when they do, I'll move on to my next vindication (almost had 1 per set there for a bit).

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11/08/2006 6:09 AM
Posted By Mjollnir on 11/02/2006 12:35 PM Carnage Demon? Isn't that redundent?

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11/09/2006 6:24 PM
I tried to get some info from Ralph Horseley about the Raistlin mini but he wouldn't give it up: I am not sure what you know about the forthcoming D&D miniatures but sadly I can't comment on anything prior to release. This includes talking about specific designs that I may, or may not, have worked on. I enjoy working on these and wouldn't want to get into trouble However I can speak generalitys about the process of miniature design. As the commissioned artist I am required to a do a minimum of two drawings of the figure - usually front and back. If the design is that much larger, for instance as with the Gargantuan Blue Dragon it may require many more viewpoints. In that specific instance 5different 'shots' were required. These pencil drawings are then given to the sculptor to work from in creating the master figure from which the moulds are created. Grrr..I want to know...

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