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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
    
Prospect Park, Pa
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Now The Duke is THE classic D&D character. Why the hate ? I just got him on eBay for I think $3.00. Don't get me wrong I'm glad i stole it, but that's just disrespectful. he should go for for more. Ok I know he isn't good for skirmish but damn it He's The Duke.Why?Give the Duke a pat on the back . He has to be sad. | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 01/23/2007 8:04 PM |
| | All you who scorn The Duke better answer for yourselves. | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 01/23/2007 8:09 PM |
| | I'm indifferent. Yes, he is a classic, but I never played in a campaign that involved him. | |
Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 01/23/2007 8:13 PM |
| | I grew up with the Duke! | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6843 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/23/2007 8:58 PM |
| | I never heard of him before the mini came out. To me, it's just another bad dude figure that I only want one of. | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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Luisjoey
Underboss
1704 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 01/23/2007 9:02 PM |
| He is a nice fellow  | |
Knight of the Quori
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Dargoth
Underboss
1274 Posts
| | 01/23/2007 9:28 PM |
| | Its an exstremely ugly mini every time I look at it I think hes been decapitated | |
Champion of the Zhentarim: Manshoon, Fzoul and Scyllua Darkhope | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 01/23/2007 9:35 PM |
| I was so happy when he was reishued in Dragon. It brough back so many memories. A DM during a FR game later ran that Critical Threat and man was he a deadly encounter.
Then one of our fellow adventurers thought it would be neat to put on the helmet.
That was even worse. | |
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AnarionZelle
Underboss
1197 Posts
USA
| | 01/23/2007 10:04 PM |
| | I don't know much about the Warduke's origins, but I think he makes a fine gladiator. Couple him with the Mercykiller and let the games begin! | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 01/23/2007 10:09 PM |
| | I think it's a cool looking mini - maybe the head is a little out of proportion with the body though, it's head seems too small. Other than that I like it and could use it as a bad ass NPC for RPG. Before this thread though I had no idea that it was a classic character from back in the day though. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 01/23/2007 10:10 PM |
| Posted By AnarionZelle on 01/23/2007 10:04 PM
I don't know much about the Warduke's origins, but I think he makes a fine gladiator. Couple him with the Mercykiller and let the games begin!
If you want to learn more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warduke
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AnarionZelle
Underboss
1197 Posts
USA
| | 01/24/2007 12:08 AM |
| Thanks for the link, gss_000 
Here's even more info if anyone's interested:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/alumni/20060414a&pf=true
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Fun Guy from Yuggoth
Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11113 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 01/24/2007 12:30 AM |
| | I always wondered why they didn't stat him up as a Barbarian in the new edition. It would fit his image as a lightly armored killing machine. | |
Pathetic Earthlings. Hurling your bodies out into the void - without the slightest inkling of who or what is out here. If you had known anything about the true nature of the universe - anything at all - you would have hidden from it in terror. | |
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Azalin
Sneak
76 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 1:34 AM |
| | i think his anemic damage output has kept him from seeing play. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 01/24/2007 3:14 AM |
| The Warduke - meh. Duke Nukem - now were talking. There's a true killing machine.Â 
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nyjastul69
Commander
2731 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 01/24/2007 4:59 AM |
| | I don't think his low price is because people hate the mini. I think it's because he's not particularly good in skirmish and for RPG he's not much more than a sword and board fighter type. | |
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prchamb
Warrior
220 Posts
Charlotte, NC
| | 01/24/2007 5:41 AM |
| Why no love for Warduke?
1. He's a unique, so skirmishers don't need more than one.
2. He has lousy skirmish stats, so skirmishers really don't need more than zero.
3. He's a PC/NPC type created as a rare mini, which equates to low demand from RPG players as having one is nice, but no reason to have more.
4. He isn't a popular character like Elminster, so no demand boost over #3.
5. He has a poor paint job.
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 6:50 AM |
| Maybe I'm bias, but I love the Duke. That said, there's a difference between liking something and it having universal appeal.
He is difficult to use and costly in skirmish. He is a unique looking figure for RPG. Needing more than 1 of him is just crazy. Many were produced. Equals low price on ebay. | |
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Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger.
Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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Sulaco
Underboss
1605 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 8:07 AM |
| "You're the Duke, you're 'A' Number One!"
(cookie if you get the reference). | |
Champion of the Gelatinous Cube. Nemesis of Gnomes and Dinosaurs.
Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil... prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. ~ Terry Pratchett | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 01/24/2007 8:20 AM |
| C'mon. Make it harder. Romero...Kurt Russel...eyepatch....East Coast....classic... Escape from New York, and I like chocolate chip no nuts.
But I agree with others. I love the piece as is, but although it is classic, it doesn't have the legion of new fans. Other than Drizzt, does any other unique humanoid figure sell well? | |
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stephengroy
Underboss
1440 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 01/24/2007 8:25 AM |
| | ....Well, he's a more viable option than, say, Strongheart. | |
Waiting for Chainmail Equivalencies since 2005
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 01/24/2007 8:37 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 01/24/2007 8:20 AM
But I agree with others. I love the piece as is, but although it is classic, it doesn't have the legion of new fans. Other than Drizzt, does any other unique humanoid figure sell well? I think that Drizzt's incredibly high market value actually has as much to do with it's availability as it's popularity. There weren't as many Archfiends mini's made - making them more rare than mini's in recent sets. It's the low supply coupled with the high demand that drove the price up.
Wether the Warduke or Raistlin or whatever is more popular than Drizzt is a subjective debate. Everyone has their favorites. But Drizzt's high market value alone is not indicative of popularity. If they were to rerelease another Drizzt mini it's price would not be anywhere near the original - because the supply would be greater to meet the demand.
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 01/24/2007 9:01 AM |
| Like others have said...
It has limited use in rpg, and apparently isn't that good a skirmish piece. So nobody needs more than one of them. Thus a bit of oversupply, and thus the fall in pricing. Look at the Valorous Prince dude, same problem. Nobody needs more than 1, and it's a crap piece for skirmishing.
I'm personally a pretty big fan of Warduke, glad to have him, plan on using him in a rpg eventually. | |
Champion of the Aspect of Gruumsh
Nemesis of Gnomes and Warforged
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 01/24/2007 9:06 AM |
| Posted By MuscledDestroyer on 01/23/2007 7:44 PM
Now The Duke is THE classic D&D character. Why the hate ?
Probably for these reasons.
from wikipedia
Warduke originated as a character for the Dungeons & Dragons toy line in the 1980s. Warduke originally appeared as a D&D action figure along with such other characters as Strongheart the paladin, Elkhorn the dwarf fighter, and Zarak the half-orc assassin.
He often was seen teamed with the villanous sorcerer Kelek, and even once appeared on the Dungeons & Dragons animated TV series. In 2003, the staff of Dungeon magazine retconned Warduke into Greyhawk continuity.
First appeared as a toy
Once featured in the hideous animated series
retconned into Greyhawk in 2003
THE classic D&D character? I hardly think so.
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I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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King O Vrock
Sergeant
397 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 10:31 AM |
| I just got him on eBay for I think $3.00.
When I put my Warduke on ebay, someone paid $18.83 for it! I guess they had love for him. | |
Champion of Devas
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| Man of Renown
Wraithborne
Warlord
5309 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 01/24/2007 11:33 AM |
| | I love Warduke....I actually kept 2!!!! Then again, I still have a soft spot for the old cartoon and still have some of the original LJN action figures, so YMMV. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 01/24/2007 12:19 PM |
| | Love John Wayne, pilgrim. | | | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 3:46 PM |
| Without knowing his history the only thing to love about Warduke is his sculpt which could be a little better done and painted.
The reasons he is inexpensive are already stated: a unique without outstanding skirmish qualities kills skirmish demand, being a rare humanoid N/PC type fighter lower RPG value because it can easily be substituted for, and a relatively obscure history keeps him away from fanboy collectors.
I personnally like the fellow. Although not great in skirmish he does present some option. For RPG the mini almost screams BBEG. Inspite of all of that I still wouldn't pay much for him as he is a cool mini but definitely NOT an essencial one.
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Faragdar the Wise
Commander
3547 Posts
Albuquerque, NM, USA
| | 01/24/2007 4:13 PM |
| I voted yes and no. Mostly because I could.
I think he's a pretty good and interesting sculpt, but he's not very good in skirmish, and though I go way back with D&D ('84-5, I think), I apparently don't go back far enough to have any history with the Warduke. | |
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein
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IanB
Commander
3112 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 5:52 PM |
| He's:
- silly looking in a cartoony sort of way
- got kind of a dumb name
- associated with a misguided attempt to move D&D into the mainstream toy market
I will say the piece is fairly interesting for skirmish, I think. | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 01/24/2007 9:07 PM |
| Naturally I completely disagree. Warduke is an awesome name. If I heard a man named Warduke was coming to waste me i'd head for the hills. The sculpt is very good. The toy is exactly why he was a classic. Coalitions against D&D had a lot to do with almost underground status in the 80's. That stupid movie with those jackasses climbing around in buildings in a trance didn't help either. If anyone knows what I'm talking about chime in. I don't know it's name.
Also as a side note Warduke had an Ice sword not a flaming sword. | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 01/24/2007 9:40 PM |
| That would be an early Tom Hanks film, Mazes and Monster. That was one of the classic rants against D&D of the time. Alos classic around that time are the Pulling report (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BADD) and the reaction by Michael Stackpole (http://www.rpgstudies.net/stackpole/pulling_report.html).
I'm not sure about the ages of people reading this, but to put the whole thing in perspective for the younger folks out there, Pulling was the Jack Thomson of the time and D&D was blamed for everything like Grand Theft Auto is today. | |
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shazam01
Warrior
230 Posts
| | 01/24/2007 9:56 PM |
| I voted yes, I just watched the cartoon episode where he captures Dungeon Master with his ice sword & tries to sell him to Venger. Admittedly I think the mini is nicer than his cartoon image.
Off topic: how bout a Venger mini? | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 01/24/2007 10:01 PM |
| | I honestly think it was worse. I remember the rumor was back then that the D&D cartoon was pulled because Venger looked like Satan. I remember my mom being about four years behind on that one and taking my books from me in like 87. She told me i was in love with the devil and other various stupid things. Funny thing was when I was 10 my mom and my aunt bought me and my cousins the D&D basic game. They were 9 and 8 years old. We had no idea what we were doing but it was great and the toys were awesome! Then when I turned 15 I was Satan. D&D kept me out of trouble. | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 01/24/2007 10:12 PM |
| | Yeah, the whole D&D = devil worship was annoying. I only got a minor taste of it since in my neck of the woods fundamentalism never was that big. After one talk with my parents after they heard a news report on it made them convinced them it was silly. | |
Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
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Frederyck
Sneak
139 Posts
Uppsala, Sweden
| | 01/25/2007 3:56 AM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 01/24/2007 12:19 PM
Love John Wayne, pilgrim.
Ah, good to see I wasn't the only one to think at first that this thread was about John Wayne... | |
If voting could really change things, it would be illegal. | |
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Low Key
Underboss
1231 Posts
| | 01/25/2007 5:16 AM |
| Posted By IanB on 01/24/2007 5:52 PM
He's:
- silly looking in a cartoony sort of way
- got kind of a dumb name
- associated with a misguided attempt to move D&D into the mainstream toy market
I will say the piece is fairly interesting for skirmish, I think.
I voted "No" for exactly the same reasons. | |
Champion of the Sarrukh | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 01/25/2007 11:11 AM |
| To quote Seinfeld: "Everyone loves the Duke !"
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Champion Of Kaz the Minotaur Knight of ALL Draconians. Squire Of ALL Constructs
The number ONE fanatic Of Dread Guards ! I own 66 !!! And the GMR1 !!!
119 completed trades so far...NB called shot: Medusa | |
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6843 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 01/25/2007 1:48 PM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 01/24/2007 4:13 PM I voted yes and no. Mostly because I could.
That's hilarious. (I am not talking about Warduke thread.) You can actually select Yes and No and vote, and both totals increase. The software has a bug then. Either that or the survey was set up incorrectly. I wouldn't know, as I have never set up a survey here.Â
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"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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