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02/01/2007 1:59 PM  
Posted By greyhaze on 02/01/2007 1:47 PM
The tips could be faced away from view.

That would be really cool.  I would love a giant owl.  Are they large or huge, though?

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02/01/2007 2:48 PM  
They are large, so it could fit i the set size-wise at least. I don't see how a Giant Owl would be "hard to describe", though. That seems a pretty easy one actually.

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02/01/2007 3:21 PM  
I'm not convinced it's a large

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02/01/2007 3:36 PM  
My guess is a Cleric under the effects of Divine Might (?the one that boost your size)

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02/01/2007 3:37 PM  
Upon second thought and glance, Giant owl makes a lot more sense.

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02/01/2007 4:39 PM  
Large Myconid! (though it doesn't really look like one)

The silhouette is REALLY "frilly"....hard to imagine what those frills would be...the whole way around the picture too...

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02/01/2007 5:42 PM  
cyrusprisoner may be spot on: Carnage Demon.

Exactly how does one sculpt the Carnage Demon? That may account for the odd shape.... a funnel with a cloud of chaos on top...

Moreover, how does one explain the Carnage Demon?

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02/01/2007 6:03 PM  
Posted By Cthulhufnord on 02/01/2007 12:59 PM
An Owl Monster of some sort..... I don't recall Were-Owls being all that common.  How about the Eyekiller?  It's a pretty classic D&D monster.  


I was thinking of the Owl Archon, thought there was another one too, but just found the one picture with a brief look.
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02/01/2007 6:35 PM  
Which book is the Carnage Demon in?

Which reminds me - we need a multi-book index of all the monster books.

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02/01/2007 7:00 PM  
Go to http://www.crystalkeep.com/d20/index.php It hasn't been updated since September, but it does have a PDF with all the monsters up to that point.

I can't find Carnage Demon anywhere, not in any of the MM or Hordes of the Abyss (and it is not listed in the reference of that book either).

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02/02/2007 12:51 AM  
Posted By Harneloot on 02/01/2007 6:35 PM
Which book is the Carnage Demon in?

Which reminds me - we need a multi-book index of all the monster books.
Consolidated lists:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/lists

Carnage demon is not mentioned though, does it have another name it might be mentioned under? Or hasn't it been updated to 3.x possibly? MM 5 critter perhaps?
 
Google won't help either, does it actually exist?

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02/02/2007 1:59 AM  
I still bet for the Umber Hulk, though

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02/02/2007 2:09 AM  
Posted By Mjollnir on 02/02/2007 1:59 AM
I still bet for the Umber Hulk, though

I would be thrilled, but I don't dare to hope. Am still intruiged by the frills though.

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02/02/2007 5:10 AM  
Wow it could be a large owl as said way above.
As in owl... whoooo whooo whhoo... and the song from the Who.

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02/02/2007 6:32 AM  
Posted By Dordledum on 02/02/2007 12:51 AM
Google won't help either, does it actually exist?

I went looking for it too when I posted the list.  Maybe it's another wotc special "Bloodhulk", "Justice Archon" or "Wrackspawn"...


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02/02/2007 6:37 AM  
Posted By greyhaze on 02/02/2007 6:32 AM

I went looking for it too when I posted the list.  Maybe it's another wotc special "Bloodhulk", "Justice Archon" or "Wrackspawn"...

All of which have been published later in MM 4 IIRC. My best guess is that The Carnage Demon will appear in MM 5.

What's the original picture on your website which you used for the carnage demon? Bloodmote swarm or something like it?

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02/02/2007 7:20 AM  
I'm not sure if someone has said this already, but it could be something a lot easier to tell.
What about a Large Fire Elemental?

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02/02/2007 7:25 AM  
Posted By ShadowLord XT on 02/02/2007 7:20 AM
I'm not sure if someone has said this already, but it could be something a lot easier to tell.
What about a Large Fire Elemental?

An uncommon Large Fire Elemental would be so cool!

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02/02/2007 7:26 AM  
An uncommon Large Fire Elemental would be so cool!

I hope not they already did an uncommon Huge fire elemental.

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02/02/2007 7:49 AM  
Posted By Dordledum on 02/02/2007 6:37 AM
What's the original picture on your website which you used for the carnage demon? Bloodmote swarm or something like it?

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02/02/2007 1:45 PM  
Yes, something on fire or smoking seems to fit the edges mroe than something feathery IMHO.

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02/03/2007 8:55 AM  
A Noctral?

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02/03/2007 2:47 PM  
I'd say it's an invisible stalker! You can't normally see it, only feel it. This time you can really see it, it's large, it's definitely not easy to describe and it's from the MM1! It should be transparent, have no discernable anatomy AND if you look in your MM, I think the outline in the picture is pretty close to the silhouette as well!

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02/03/2007 10:18 PM  
Not a bad call at all. I could see this now that you mention it.

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02/04/2007 7:07 AM  
Excellent deductions oyvind!!!

Kind fits the pciture roll-overs as well.

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02/04/2007 10:53 AM  
yea! invisible stalker yea!

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02/04/2007 11:47 AM  
Invisible Stalker makes more sense than anything else that we've guessed.

Got to say that I'm not in favor of an invisible stalker mini. I've used invisible creatures before and I find that it's best if there's no representation of them on the table. It takes a really good player to keep the knowledge of where he knows the invisible creature to be seperate from what his character knows. As a DM I just keep track of where the invisible creatures are.

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02/04/2007 12:10 PM  
You have a point. I wouldn't mind a piece that I can put on the board or give to PCs to put on the board to indicate where they think it is or somewhat know because it just attacked them. For me it would just illimiate another possible area of mistakes.

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02/04/2007 1:51 PM  
I hope not an invisible stalker. I have a base I can use for that. But could well be.

Giant owl would be funky. Players just finnished that in Red hand.

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02/05/2007 2:57 PM  
It's from 'Horton Hears a Who' and we're getting a winged elephant!

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02/05/2007 2:57 PM  

Darn, I always thought double posts only happened to other people.


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02/05/2007 3:07 PM  
Posted By Almalik on 02/05/2007 2:57 PM
It's from 'Horton Hears a Who' and we're getting a winged elephant!

Oliphant!  Woot!  If I had to pick one I'd still go with the Invisible Stalker, but this would be a fun piece as well.

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02/05/2007 4:57 PM  
I just erased a fairly long rant about how much I don't want it to be an Oliphant. We have no idea what it's going to be at this point so no sense complaining about a mini that may or may not be in the set. I'll save it for when the preview actually comes out.

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02/05/2007 6:20 PM  
I do doubt it will be an oliphant as I think they are a toliken copy righted critter. An war elephant on the other hand...
But yeah, no point complaining about something until we see it

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02/05/2007 7:48 PM  
I might be thinking of another creature. Oliphants were in the original 1st ed MM2, but they had no wings. So, crisis averted.

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02/05/2007 9:57 PM  
Nah I used to get them all the time myself. I like the idea of the Cinder Swarm critter. That would be realy boss looking in translucent plastic.
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02/06/2007 6:24 AM  
Posted By gss_000 on 02/05/2007 7:48 PM
I might be thinking of another creature. Oliphants were in the original 1st ed MM2, but they had no wings. So, crisis averted.
That's because the winged elephant is a extrapalanr HOLLYPHANT, which was reprinted in the Book of Exalted Deeds. The Oliphant is a natural animal from the 1e MM2.


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02/06/2007 9:17 AM  
Thank you. I knew I saw it somewhere. D&D seems to have a fascination with elephants and elephant headed creatures, doesn't it. The more I think on it, the more lkely the hollyphant isn't the pic. If it was, there'd be some mention of Dumbo, Babar, etc somewhere in the page or pic title.

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02/07/2007 7:08 AM  
Ah, I know what the creature I saw ........... it is Tsucora Quori in Eberron Campaign
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02/07/2007 7:12 AM  
Where did you see it? and can you show us?


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