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bradu
Sergeant
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Portland, OR
 | | 02/11/2007 7:56 AM |
| I just picked up a few boosters from the first few sets for fairly cheap. I know you can't find this stuff at all anymore which is why I picked them up, however, I don't need anything from these sets. So I got them just for trade bait. I made a post that I have them available and to my surprise, have not received 1 offer. A couple people asked "what do you want for them?" But even those people never followed up.
When I got them, I did not think I would have any trouble finding people who are interested. However, given that I've already tried that and got little to no interest, I'm thinking of just busting into them myself, and trading/selling the contents.
There's always the option also of not doing anything and just keeping them. The value doesn't seem like it's going to go down any time soon.
Right now about the only reason I could see to keep them sealed is if I'm going to keep them. Also, I do want to cover the money I paid for them, and it's probably going to be a bit easier to get cash if I keep them sealed than if I open them.
Originally, I was thinking they'd be WORTH more sealed, but seeing as how they've generated so little interest, I'm thinking I may get more value out of them by opening and trading off the contents.
Any thoughts?
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6637 Posts
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| | 02/11/2007 8:46 AM |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 02/11/2007 9:49 AM |
| You opened up a trade thread for them. People see boosters of Harbinger being sold for an insane amount of money on ebay and figure that you're going to expect that much in trade value - but they know that there isn't that much of value in the booster. So they're not interested.
I would sell them on ebay if I were you. Recoup what you spent on them and buy the mini's you want with what's left over. | |
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Vrecknidj
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10493 Posts
United States
| | 02/11/2007 9:50 AM |
| Sometimes there are lulls in activity. I'd hold onto them for a little while, sooner or later you'll find someone who wants them.
Well, unless Wolfgang just gobbled them up.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 02/11/2007 10:41 AM |
| Posted By Star on 02/11/2007 9:49 AM
You opened up a trade thread for them. People see boosters of Harbinger being sold for an insane amount of money on ebay and figure that you're going to expect that much in trade value - but they know that there isn't that much of value in the booster. So they're not interested.
So true. It's probably that one rare that is the big selling point for most people. I think your post is fine to bring interested parties in, but you may need them to give them more information to finalize a trade. One person on your thread said he had both of your mini wants, and in essence offering them to you. Since there is so much possible range, you may have to be more active about making offerings.
If you're really after the money, Ebay is the best solution, as Star said. If you want really good trade stock, open them up and potentially get 2 or 3 newer rares for each one of the older ones.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 02/11/2007 10:50 AM |
| I think a lot of people want to see what you want for them. Could be that you're asking too much for their liking.
On a side note, PM me what you are asking, approximately, as I might be interested.
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/11/2007 11:04 AM |
| Jeff you might have a point in that I haven't given an idea what I want for them, I've pretty much just left it open to offers. If someone makes an offer that knocks my socks off, I'll take it.
And perhaps I'm simply not going to get an offer that's good enough for that. In which case, I might as well open them myself.
Here's the best I can do to say what I DO want:
*part cash...at least $50, closer to $100 would be nice
*the rest in trade, the more the better. Since I only have 2 DDM wants right now, they would take prededence. I also have tons of heroclix wants, so someone offering heroclix probably beats out someone offering DDM.
While it might be true that people aren't willing to give much because they are selling on ebay for more than the sum of what's inside, I kinda beg to differ. Take Archfiends, for instance. The average rare in that set is over $30 now, right? With a handful of c/u in the $5-10 range, means you're probably gonna get another $25 or so in value out of the c/u. So if the best offer I get is, let's say, $30 in trade according to our monthly price guide, I'd pass. I'd rather rip into it myself and enjoy that part, and then trade off the remains. In order to trade them sealed, I'd need some incentive to keep them sealed as opposed to enjoying opening them myself.
I'm really leaning towards at least opening a booster or 2 myself, for the simple fact that I enjoy opening so much, and I'm beginning to think I'd get more in trade that way anyway, EVEN if I didn't do so well in my pulls! | |
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emontedodger
Warrior
285 Posts
El Monte, CA
| | 02/11/2007 11:47 AM |
| Yeah you might as well keep them for yourself. Personally, I wouldn't offer you more than the ebay rate. But good luck though.  | |
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Harneloot
Sergeant
575 Posts
| | 02/11/2007 1:17 PM |
| | i sold a case of GoL on e-bay for $350 this past Summer. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 02/11/2007 2:04 PM |
| Just send them to me. I've never opened any really old boosters.  I'll open them for you and tell you what's inside. Then we can negotiate a price.Â
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/11/2007 2:10 PM |
| Being unopened means it could be a sucky rare, which is why people may be less likley to give you the same as much as it 'could' be worth.
Similar to how you arent opening to sell/trade bit by bit in case it's not worth as much I guess. | |
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 02/11/2007 3:29 PM |
| MiniatureMarket.com are currently selling Harbringer boosters for $74, Archfiends for $62 and Dragoneye for $44. I doubt that you will get more than that price for each booster. However, having said that, eBay can throw up some strange prices sometimes.
I personally think it is because a lot of people really only want one or two particular minis from the earlier sets so they would rather buy or trade for a particular mini than buy a booster and have to trade away everything again since they don't need any of the minis.
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shoesan
Warrior
263 Posts
Beaufort, SC
| | 02/11/2007 4:46 PM |
| Posted By Olaf the Stout on 02/11/2007 3:29 PM
MiniatureMarket.com are currently selling Harbringer boosters for $74, Archfiends for $62 and Dragoneye for $44.Â
I doubt they are "selling" boosters at that price. More likely they have them adverstised at that price, and they are just sitting there. Maybe someone will eventually come along that will pay that price, but the word "selling" kinda infers that is a regular thing... peaople are buying them at that price there every week, and I seriously doubt that is the case.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 02/11/2007 6:53 PM |
| | I know that I'm sitting on a case of archfiends right now... I'll be off loading it on ebay in another year or so... Unfortunatly it was one of the least loved sets of the past... | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
12507 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 02/11/2007 10:27 PM |
| Posted By Lord_rock on 02/11/2007 6:53 PM
I know that I'm sitting on a case of archfiends right now... I'll be off loading it on ebay in another year or so... Unfortunatly it was one of the least loved sets of the past...
You're being sarcastic, right? I think Archfiends is either the favourite or second favourite set among collectors in general. Maybe you mean Aberrations? | |
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 02/11/2007 10:28 PM |
| Posted By shoesan on 02/11/2007 4:46 PM
I doubt they are "selling" boosters at that price. More likely they have them adverstised at that price, and they are just sitting there. Maybe someone will eventually come along that will pay that price, but the word "selling" kinda infers that is a regular thing... peaople are buying them at that price there every week, and I seriously doubt that is the case.
Shoe
Actually I think that the term selling implies offering the product for sale at a certain price. Now no-one may be "buying" them at that price but they are definitely selling them at that price.
Out of interest, how much do people think is a reasonable price for boosters from older mini sets?
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| | 02/11/2007 11:26 PM |
| | Man... It's insane what HP Boosters go for given the quality of the old minis, let along their ability in the current skirmish environment (with a couple exceptions). Harb became too rice for my blood when the boosters were going for $20 a pop. | |
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/12/2007 12:01 AM |
| well, I did a little bit of my own homework on what these 'could' be worth. This is based on Madda's price guide, with each figure rounded to the nearest dollar.
Dragoneye: avg booster value= $46
avg rare $23
avg u $5 (x3)
avg c $2 (x4)
Harbinger:
booster: $62
starter: $96? (assuming 7 u's per starter, that was my guess)
rare: $34
u: $5.50
c: $3
Archfiends booster: $73
rare: $42
u: $5
c: $4
These are just approximates, but it gives me an idea of what I should expect in trade. It also tells me that, at least with Archfiends, I might be better off taking a gamble and opening them myself. I doubt I'd get $70+ even in trade for an Arch booster, but if I open them and pull a Drizzt or something else decent, I'll probably get a better offer trading the figs individually. We'll see | |
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/12/2007 12:24 AM |
| well I went ahead and opened one of the Archfiends. Can't be too disappointed. I'll resist the urge to keep busting them open....for now
here's my pull:
cultist of the dragon $3.50
dalelands militia $2
cursed spirit $4.40
sage $2.60
human dragonslayer $3.30
ragnara $4.25
halfling ranger $5.50
red wizard $40
total $65 | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 02/12/2007 8:09 AM |
| There's a couple of problems with this.
First and foremost most people (at least most people on Maxmini's) don't actually pay those prices for their mini's. They just use those prices for comparative value while making trades. Expecting people on Maxmini's to pay or trade for those values is unreasonable. This is why I suggested Ebay. For example, I just got a Red Wizard for $19 - and I think I overpaid a little bit.
Second, paying high prices for a booster with unknown mini's in it is insane. Basically in a situation like that you're paying for the excitement of opening up an old booster and the excitement of thinking about what might be inside. If someone (like most people on Maxmini's) is more interested in the mini's inside than the excitement of opening it then they will trade or buy for the individual mini. They'll get what they want and at a lower price.
Third, buying old boosters and expecting to sell or trade them at a profit is a speculative proposition. You're buying it to make a profit. There's nothing wrong with that. But in order to do it correctly you have to be patient and sit on them for some time. As you've already opened a booster it seems unlikely that you have the patience. (That's not an insult, I'm not certain that I would have the patience either.)
Lastly, This is a hobby. It's something you and I do to have fun. Some people are lucky enough to make money off their hobby. I'm not. If you're not one of those people then you probably shouldn't try to turn your hobby into a profitable business. You bought the boosters for what you considered a fair price. You're happy with the pulls that you got from the Archfiends booster. Open the rest and enjoy them. | |
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shoesan
Warrior
263 Posts
Beaufort, SC
| | 02/12/2007 9:55 AM |
| Posted By Olaf the Stout on 02/11/2007 10:28 PM Posted By shoesan on 02/11/2007 4:46 PM
I doubt they are "selling" boosters at that price. More likely they have them adverstised at that price, and they are just sitting there. Maybe someone will eventually come along that will pay that price, but the word "selling" kinda infers that is a regular thing... peaople are buying them at that price there every week, and I seriously doubt that is the case.
Shoe
Actually I think that the term selling implies offering the product for sale at a certain price. Now no-one may be "buying" them at that price but they are definitely selling them at that price. Out of interest, how much do people think is a reasonable price for boosters from older mini sets? Olaf the Stout
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/12/2007 2:28 PM |
| If you look at piazo, and the prices they sell at, you see higher ranges.
I see the point you are making shoesan, but putting a price to something and offering it for sale, is selling something. It may not be successfully selling, but it means the shop is confident that it will be bought at some point or it will lower prices.
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And I have to agree, maddas price guide, and zenako's before then were known to be inflated compared to what people typically/normally spend.
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 02/12/2007 3:59 PM |
| Posted By shoesan on 02/12/2007 9:55 AM How are people definitley "selling" them at those prices if no one is "buying" them at those prices? That doesn't make sense. For every booster sold there has to be a booster bought, so your logic doesn't make sense. More likely, they are "offering" the boosters at those prices, but they are not getting very many sales, if they are even getting any at all. Thus, there is no "selling" at those prices.
Shoe
I think that we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point shoesan as we're kind of pulling this thread off-topic.
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King O Vrock
Sergeant
397 Posts
| | 02/12/2007 5:04 PM |
| I think Star said it best. Madda's price guide is not an accurate reading of the going rate for particular minis. It just means that's what price the average store is listing the mini for. It doesn't reveal whether any are actually purchased.
If you want a more accurate reading, go to ebay and do a search on completed items. You'll see that your boosters are probably worth about 60% of what you've estimated. For example, you can't expect to get an average of $4 per archfiend uncommon, because it's just not realistic. | |
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/12/2007 6:30 PM |
| I never expected that Madda's was actual cash going rate...but when I'm talking about trading, I would use madda's guide for the trade values of the figs I'm getting vs the trade values of the figs in the booster. Anyway, I'll probably just sit on the rest for awhile unless I decide to bust into them
busted the 2nd Archfiends booster, and probably shouldn't have, but oh well:
cultist of dragon $3.50
duergar warrior $5
gnoll archer $4
cursed spirit $4.40
ialdabode $4.50
wereboar $4
moon elf fighter $6
unicorn $30.50
total $62
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shoesan
Warrior
263 Posts
Beaufort, SC
| | 02/12/2007 7:30 PM |
| My point about the boosters "selling" was this: If someone says they have a booster, and they want to sell it, and are asking what price they should ask in order to sell it (reasonably quickly), I would not tell them the price that a store like Miniature Market is trying to sell them for. If they are asking, it means they are probably unsure of the value in the first place. And if they are unsure of the value, then telling them their Archfiends Booster sells online for $74 is kinda misleading. The person, if they really have no clue (maybe they are new to the hobby), may figure "great, its worth $74, so I'll list it for $70"... and then they will wonder why no one buys it. That is why I say its not really "selling" for $74.  Gramatically, Olaf and I are both right about the terminology. But I think the point is that its really doubtful they are actually selling for that much.Â
A quick Ebay check shows three active auctions up at this moment... at $49.99, $54.99 and $62.  If a person wants to unload a booster, its not likely to happen at anywhere near $74. So that is really my point.  Unfortunately there were no completed Archfiend Booster auctions when I ran the search, so I don't know exactly what they have been selling for the last few days. But generally, I'd say $50 would be a good number, and $35 $40 would probably ensure a very quick transaction if they really wanted to dump it fast.
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 02/12/2007 10:37 PM |
| I was telling him the prices from Miniature Market to give him an upper limit more than anything. Since he didn't have much idea of how much to price them (and neither did I) I thought I would at least give him a price not to go over.
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/12/2007 11:36 PM |
| it's funny, you guys turned this into a complex topic. I actually understood both of you the whole way, but you seemed to get hung up on the difference between 'selling' and 'for sale'. I am selling my hat for $5 (but it hasn't sold yet). Vs I have sold several hats at $5 (ie, I am selling hats at $5).
So, harbinger boosters are selling on ebay for $90 ish (buy it nows). But how many are actually being SOLD at that price? Probably not many. They are selling more consistently if the price is much lower, obviously.
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gss_000
Commander
3204 Posts
Baltimore, MD
| | 02/13/2007 11:40 AM |
| I think here it is almost a question of what are your needs. You may have to decide which is most important:
a) Sell quickly
b) Sell for the most money
c) Sell in the most convenient manner
and then use the best method (full boster, individual pieces, low asking price, etc). When I use ebay, I'm more looking to get rid of the product and have some extra spending cash. I'm not looking to get rich. So I usually sell for less than others might get for it, but I end up happy. Your motivations might be different, so your tactics would be different, too.
You probably also need more information. Watch those auctions and see if they do get sold, how long it takes, and for how much. Then you can have a better gauge of what is reasonable. | |
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Sir Bozak The Damned
Commander
2854 Posts
Québec
| | 02/13/2007 11:48 AM |
| | Do you really expect someone to pay 30$ for a Unicorn ? LOL | |
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kdyal
49 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/13/2007 12:56 PM |
| Where do you skirmish? I live in deep NE but am able to get around a bit...
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 02/13/2007 6:36 PM |
| Posted By Sir Bozak The Damned on 02/13/2007 11:48 AM
Do you really expect someone to pay 30$ for a Unicorn ? LOL I got two for $20 off ebay in December.
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/13/2007 6:57 PM |
| "Do you really expect someone to pay 30$ for a Unicorn ? LOL"
no, I simply looked it up using the price guide here on the forums | |
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bradu
Sergeant
456 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 02/17/2007 1:52 PM |
| | well I decided to give ebay a shot for the Dragoneye. I'm still hanging on to the Harbingers for now, but I guess it depends on how the ebay experience goes. I've never sold on ebay before, just bought a few times and browsed a lot, so I'm a bit nervous about it but we'll see. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 02/18/2007 1:57 PM |
| Posted By bradu on 02/17/2007 1:52 PM
well I decided to give ebay a shot for the Dragoneye. I'm still hanging on to the Harbingers for now, but I guess it depends on how the ebay experience goes. I've never sold on ebay before, just bought a few times and browsed a lot, so I'm a bit nervous about it but we'll see.
Good luck with it. You should place an advert with link to auction in the Marketplace section here. | |
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