 dj-chuckles Underboss
 2455 Posts



 The State that invented Spam!
 | | 03/13/2007 3:52 AM |
| Ok, The month of the release... what do we get. Stone Giant Runecarver
Epic Cards? For this set!? Make the epic card in the actual set. Give
us old epics! There are still tons of Epics that should be made are
arent even out yet.
Aspect of Demogorgon
Aspect of Orcus
Aspect of Bane
(Aspects are god-avatars... they should have epics)
There are a ton more epics that could be made and I'm sure this community could create a big list of epics wanted!
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Star Sergeant
 978 Posts



 New Britain, CT
 | | 03/13/2007 4:03 AM |
| | WOTC's reasoning probably is that releasing an epic card from Unhallowed helps to generate interest in it. If someone gets a Stone Giant Runecarver epic card at their FLGS but doesn't actually own the mini for it perhaps they will buy boosters until they do get one. That may seem slightly far fetched but an outside chance of helping their Unhallowed sales is better than no chance of helping their sales - and they know that releasing an epic Aspect of Orcus card doesn't help them at all. | | Champion of Gromph Baenre | |
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Duke of Spoils greyhaze Warlord
 7737 Posts




 | | 03/13/2007 6:51 AM |
| | I'm with the OP on this one. Getting epic cards for sets as they come out sucks. Throw the old dogs some bones, finish what was started please. Thanks kindly. | | Greyhaze's DDM Spoilers Champion of a Medium Dog & then a Darkenbeast , Raistlin Majere, Nightmare WDQ25/60, Warduke WD60/60, Anti-Champion of Guns, "Knight of Bugbears", and Joke Champion of Venger. Called Shots: Frost Giant in Dangerous Delves. | |
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ShadowLord XT Commander
 2646 Posts



 Plane of Shadow
 | | 03/13/2007 9:01 AM |
| | I agree. We need more older EPICs not brand new minis getting them. | | Disipline is the only way to overcome chaos. Champion of Half-Golems Knight of Golems "This world is made for love and peace" - Trigun "anyway..shadow..you've figured women out. KUDOS." - raye_kino16 | |
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Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
 12507 Posts



 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 03/13/2007 9:06 AM |
| | I'll throw my voice in the hat as well. Please, WotC, let's get some epic cards for those older minis. We have been your longest serving DDM customers. | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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jacksonm Warlord
 5560 Posts



 River City
 | | 03/13/2007 9:08 AM |
| While I want some of those older figures to get cards too I can see their point. Cards for minis that everyone can potentialy get do more to grow the brand so to speak.
Still, they could be doing a better job of balancing both sides. | | | |
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kritter Underboss
 1336 Posts



 Calgary, Alberta Canada
 | | 03/13/2007 10:05 AM |
| WoTc already said they will/can reprint any set they want
so release some older mini epic cards then they will for sure sell the boosters.
all the aspects need "good" epic cards | | Trades: Complete: 134 Ongoing: 1 BAD: 2 = Cha0tic g0od, Thor <--- thief and a liar Champion of the Aspect of Yeenoghu, Demon Prince of Gnolls and Bigby | |
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Idzy Commander
 3082 Posts



 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
 | | 03/13/2007 10:21 AM |
| I'm with the OP on this one as well.  When I got the rune carver card at the tournament on saturday the day after the set released I was like wtf.Â
We need some epic cards for older figures like the aspects.Â
Sure there might be a slight intrest created by the card but there is also people like me that feel slighted that the run carver card wasn't in the boosters to begin with. | | Champion of Champions (for all races! even Gnomes ) Reference Thread Winnipeg Gryphon Cavalry Forums
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MackeyJ Underboss
 1414 Posts




 | | 03/13/2007 10:55 AM |
| EPIC Aspect of Demogorgon EPIC Aspect of Orcus EPIC Aspect of Bane
Bring em on! These 3 are long overdue. Git er done WoTC!
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 Faragdar the Wise Commander
 3547 Posts



 Albuquerque, NM, USA
 | | 03/13/2007 1:01 PM |
| Dude, how about an Epic Red Wizard (with circle magic)? Of course, it'll probably suck worse than the original Red Wizard card.
I'd love to see Epic Ialdabode, too, especially now that the Large Astral Construct is out. You could do some sweet new stuff with high level psionics, like create astral constructs.
As long as there's an Epic Vlaakith, it wouldn't hurt to make an Epic Lich Necromancer (whose commander effect could maybe generate more powerful undead )
Epic Eye of Gruumsh and/or Orc Champion? That would be cool. | | "Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." - Albert Einstein Champion of Myopic Half-Orcs Winner, WBC X | |
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gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 03/13/2007 1:37 PM |
| | I don't keep track of epic cards, but what were the last few months' epic cards? Were they from other sets or blood war? If from other sets, is it unreasonable to have one card in the month of release of a set be from that set before returning to the old pattern? I can definitely see why people are annoyed, as newer sets shouldn't need epic cards as the older sets do, though. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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jacksonm Warlord
 5560 Posts



 River City
 | | 03/13/2007 1:47 PM |
| | 3 of the last 5 (Kolayrut, Lord of Blades, and GDK) were from Blood War, 1 from Angelfire (Archmage), and one from Achfriends (Drizzt) which was put out for 2 months. | | | |
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The Beer Baron Underboss
 1553 Posts



 "Champion of the Centaur Commander. Knight of the Gnoll Druid. Vindicated Champion of the Dragon Wrought Kobold!
 | | 03/13/2007 1:49 PM |
| How about both in a retailer pack? I've heard both sides of this arguement and I agree with both. How much can these things cost to produce? I can hand out one of each to each player at the tournaments I run. People with complete older sets get something unique, while not denying newcomers prizes that count for them as well. And heck, since wishes are free today, how about a re-costed Drider Sorceror card, and a puppy.
Epic cards old, Epic cards new, Repainted minis in cloaks of blue. | | "GameKnight Games and Cool Stuff Winnipeg's source for RPGs and minis!" www.gameknight.ca | |
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ScruffyRanger Sergeant
 361 Posts



 Central Coast AUSTRALIA
 | | 03/13/2007 2:04 PM |
| | I agree also with dj-chuckles. We need retro epics. Starting with the top cards from each set. Stat! | | ScruffyRanger's Promo Page! Check it out here!
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froffenhoffer Sergeant
 702 Posts




 | | 03/13/2007 2:19 PM |
| 1: whats an OP? 2: Bring on the epic FB with GREAT CLEAVE! gotta love that 5 foot step ad infinitum.. And, i dont think that only producing older epics is good, as there will then be some players that cant use them.. I mean what do i do with ma epic drizzt? | | Champion of Wildshaped druid in with natural spell!
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jacksonm Warlord
 5560 Posts



 River City
 | | 03/13/2007 2:25 PM |
| Posted By froffenhoffer on 03/13/2007 2:19 PM 1: whats an OP? 2: Bring on the epic FB with GREAT CLEAVE! gotta love that 5 foot step ad infinitum.. And, i dont think that only producing older epics is good, as there will then be some players that cant use them.. I mean what do i do with ma epic drizzt? OP is short hand for Original Poster.
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E Thug of the Round Table Wolfgang Warlord
 6637 Posts



 Milton, Ontario Canada
 | | 03/13/2007 2:53 PM |
| | DJ please contact me as you have no emailed me back about our trade thats almost 5 MONTHS late please respond ASAP | | Proud member since March 26 2005 Champion of the SIVAK DRACONIAN Completed trades: (94) Bad traders(2) DJchuckles, sardal Called shots:Sivak Draconian in DD Trade References Email Me | |
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SYB Warrior
 328 Posts




 | | 03/13/2007 2:55 PM |
| I've been playing since Harbringer and I couldn't disagree more. Currently, my FLGS has nearly as many players who started within the last year as started before that. Those players have barely any older pieces. Epic cards for the older pieces is just wasted cardboard for them. I see no reason to turn off a significant portion of the player base with worthless cards.
Even more significant was what I noticed at XP. I'd say that nearly half the people in the Limited Championship and the Constructed Qualifier were "new faces". There were a lot of new or newer players, which seems to indicate that the player base is changing. Once again, rewarding the newer players (or more importantly, not turning them off to the hobby) by providing cards that are likely to be useful is a good thing. I am generally disappointed by the rather selfish attitude that many (not all) older players seem to have that WotC should be catering to them (and thus ignoring a large percentage of the player base).
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 Bert the Troll Commander
 3964 Posts



 Adelaide
 | | 03/13/2007 3:03 PM |
| I would dearly love to see the old cards get epic treatment. The longer it is, the less likley it will be ):
I do see the point of having new minis get epic cards, but I would rather a higher ratio of older ones until they get done. | | "Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit Semi-Secret sig business: "In the age of the internet attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy." - Benjamin Franklin Champion of Epic Lolth, Orcus, & Demogorgon and bring us Asmodeus! | |
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Star Sergeant
 978 Posts



 New Britain, CT
 | | 03/13/2007 4:37 PM |
| Posted By Star on 03/13/2007 4:03 AM WOTC's reasoning probably is that releasing an epic card from Unhallowed helps to generate interest in it. If someone gets a Stone Giant Runecarver epic card at their FLGS but doesn't actually own the mini for it perhaps they will buy boosters until they do get one. That may seem slightly far fetched but an outside chance of helping their Unhallowed sales is better than no chance of helping their sales - and they know that releasing an epic Aspect of Orcus card doesn't help them at all. Just to be clear - I'm explaining what I believe to be WOTC's rationale for releasing epic cards for current sets. I certainly agree with the OP and would much rather have epic cards for current mini's released with the boosters and release promo epic cards for the older mini's that did not originally get them but should have.
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 Kypdurron Underboss
 1206 Posts



 Broken Hill
 | | 03/13/2007 4:46 PM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 03/13/2007 1:01 PM Dude, how about an Epic Red Wizard (with circle magic)? Of course, it'll probably suck worse than the original Red Wizard card. I'd love to see Epic Ialdabode, too, especially now that the Large Astral Construct is out. You could do some sweet new stuff with high level psionics, like create astral constructs. As long as there's an Epic Vlaakith, it wouldn't hurt to make an Epic Lich Necromancer (whose commander effect could maybe generate more powerful undead  ) Epic Eye of Gruumsh and/or Orc Champion? That would be cool. Faragdar For President
An epic Red wizard would be awesome and finally my brother may be able to use him in a competetive band ! An epic Orc champ would be awesome but quite frankly terrifies me!
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gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 03/13/2007 7:06 PM |
| | Maybe instead of epic cards they should update the normal skirmish stats for those older figs to make them playable for 200 pt games. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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Ryoga Underboss
 1124 Posts



 Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
 | | 03/13/2007 8:29 PM |
| Im waiting a long time for Ao Bane and Mina, The Dark Cleric.......... Is very sad that WoTC use Epic-MonthKits to promo the releasing sets..... WoTC, PLZ Give the great Price to the old and fiel players..... Thats would be  | | Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :( Some day I will be back in board | |
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realmaster Underboss
 2017 Posts



 Home of the 2002 Winter Olympics
 | | 03/13/2007 9:44 PM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 03/13/2007 9:08 AM While I want some of those older figures to get cards too I can see their point. Cards for minis that everyone can potentialy get do more to grow the brand so to speak. this is what I was going to say and think WOTC is following. | | Thanks, realmaster. Let's split up!!!!!
RIP Gary Gygax 1938-2008
Unhallowed vindicated champion: van richten Successful trades:72 Trades in progress:0 Have issues with:1 burning_kazuki Bad trades:0 | |
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Monsoon28 Underboss
 2313 Posts



 Toronto
 | | 03/13/2007 9:52 PM |
| | Add my voice/vote for older epics, especially Bane and Demogorgon....ok one for Orcus as well. | | "I was sittin' here eatin' my muffin, drinkin' my coffee, replayin' the incident in my head, when I had what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity." - Jules Winnfield Sales/Trades Bad (1): Ironfist Boulderbender Trades/Sales completed (8.): Danthl, Dafrca, Garyaxe, qillan_dvra, realmaster, Vandal_Savage, cavedweller, unearthed arcana. Champion of Gem Dragons, VINDICATED Squire of Duergar Commander, Knight of the Astral Stalker.
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Idzy Commander
 3082 Posts



 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
 | | 03/14/2007 7:32 AM |
| Posted By The Beer Baron on 03/13/2007 1:49 PM How about both in a retailer pack? I've heard both sides of this arguement and I agree with both. How much can these things cost to produce? I can hand out one of each to each player at the tournaments I run. People with complete older sets get something unique, while not denying newcomers prizes that count for them as well. And heck, since wishes are free today, how about a re-costed Drider Sorceror card, and a puppy.
Epic cards old, Epic cards new, Repainted minis in cloaks of blue.
You know that is a very good idea, and 2 cards still takes up less cardboard and ink than a tile (which is what the epic cards replaced)Â and that should satisfy both newer and older players. | | Champion of Champions (for all races! even Gnomes ) Reference Thread Winnipeg Gryphon Cavalry Forums
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Ryoga Underboss
 1124 Posts



 Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
 | | 03/14/2007 8:48 AM |
| | YEAH! | | Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :( Some day I will be back in board | |
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Dordledum Commander
 3463 Posts



 Netherlands
 | | 03/14/2007 8:51 AM |
| Posted By Ryoga on 03/14/2007 8:48 AM YEAH! What a Wake-esque statement: respect!
D.
| | Member of the Bearded Devils Champion of the Huge Spider (WotDQ 46/60), A New Umber Hulk (DoDe 57/60), and the Orog Fighter! | |
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lingster Sergeant
 778 Posts




 | | 03/14/2007 11:28 AM |
| We need Epic cards of these minis as well:
King Obuld All Aspects Ryld Alusar
and any other named mini that is more than 30pts in cost... | | May you find peace and happiness at the hand of Hextor.
Champion of Black Pudding Called Shot Desert of Desolation: Drider - VINDICATED! Called Shot Demonweb: Drow Cleric of Lloth Called Shot FeyWild: Water Nymph (06-26-08)
Member of Team Millennium
4E takes away our Big Bad Evil Guy (BBEG) and give us this:
The Big Bad Mis-Understood But Not Quite Inherently Evil Who Does Naughty Things Guy (BBMUBNQIEWDNTG for short) | |
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Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
 12507 Posts



 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 03/14/2007 11:50 AM |
| Posted By SYB on 03/13/2007 2:55 PM I've been playing since Harbringer and I couldn't disagree more. Currently, my FLGS has nearly as many players who started within the last year as started before that. Those players have barely any older pieces. Epic cards for the older pieces is just wasted cardboard for them. I see no reason to turn off a significant portion of the player base with worthless cards.
Even more significant was what I noticed at XP. I'd say that nearly half the people in the Limited Championship and the Constructed Qualifier were "new faces". There were a lot of new or newer players, which seems to indicate that the player base is changing. Once again, rewarding the newer players (or more importantly, not turning them off to the hobby) by providing cards that are likely to be useful is a good thing. I am generally disappointed by the rather selfish attitude that many (not all) older players seem to have that WotC should be catering to them (and thus ignoring a large percentage of the player base).
-SYB
I think calling some of the long time players/collectors selfish (for wanting epic cards for older figs) is a little bit harsh. I really enjoy the game, and have a sentimental soft spot for some of the minis from the earlier sets. I would love to dust off my Arcane Archer and have a competitive epic version on the game table. Yes, epic cards for older minis may not be useful to some newer players, but in a CMG, not everyone will have every mini/card. | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 03/14/2007 2:57 PM |
| | There has t be a balance between the two: enticing new players to continue collecting with recent epics and rewarding old time collectors for their support with epics for older figs. It shouldn't be a battle between the needs of one group and the other. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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Knight of the Round Table Thenameless Warlord
 12507 Posts



 The Fortress of Solitude
 | | 03/15/2007 8:23 AM |
| Posted By gss_000 on 03/14/2007 2:57 PM There has t be a balance between the two: enticing new players to continue collecting with recent epics and rewarding old time collectors for their support with epics for older figs. It shouldn't be a battle between the needs of one group and the other.
Yes, exactly. | | Over 270 successful online DDM trades. | |
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Man of Renown Wraithborne Warlord
 5309 Posts



 The Red Light District
 | | 03/15/2007 8:47 AM |
| | If they aren't going to release cards for older figs with any regularity, I wish they would just release them online for download. It couldn't take them more than 5 minutes to churn out the stats, as it's clear that the ones they do release in kits are never playtested. | | Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card -Jimgang So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away? So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay? Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end? Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin. -Sumerias Fain. | |
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kritter Underboss
 1336 Posts



 Calgary, Alberta Canada
 | | 03/15/2007 8:56 AM |
| the only solution is for them to pick a viable mini from Harbinger ( Arcane Archer, Medusa, Human Blackguard, etc.) and produce an Epic card. then the month after that produce an Epic card from Dragoneye (Gold Champion, Silver Sorcerer, Large Red Dragon, etc). then repeat , until they are producing one from the current set.
i personally think they should loosen the purse strings and support this game a bit more. could 2 Epic card releases per month really be that much more than 1? | | Trades: Complete: 134 Ongoing: 1 BAD: 2 = Cha0tic g0od, Thor <--- thief and a liar Champion of the Aspect of Yeenoghu, Demon Prince of Gnolls and Bigby | |
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warty_nosed_goblin Underboss
 1384 Posts




 | | 03/15/2007 9:02 AM |
| | Another comprimise solution is to provide epics from slightly older sets- say about Wardrums age. That way, a newly released figure isn't getting the epic treatment, which I agree doesn't make a lot of sense, but its still a figure that newer players can get their hands on if they want to. | | Call me: W.N. Gobo! originally posted by grim: While he is clearly insane, he does have a point. | |
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gss_000 Commander
 3204 Posts



 Baltimore, MD
 | | 03/15/2007 10:25 AM |
| | I really like the web enhancement idea. They could still do one a month or so to avoid oversaturation and making less than stellar choices from remaining figures that don't have epic cards("Why is the human commoner epic?"), while existing sets can have the current system of epic card production. That way you encourage people to buy the current sets from FLGS to get the figure and support their business. | | Completed trades: blackthorne, Drakkengi,Thorgrin, Ironfist Boulderbender x2, ckissee, nasamonkey, Username, Star, Ace13 x3, emontedodger x2, Drconveyor, church, Joeyb, Sir Bozak The Damned, Xeromod, the other guy x2, Qucalion of Celene, Dagaron x2, berus316, qillan_dvra, AshloreDarkShadow
For further info go to My Reference Thread and Trade Interface
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DinoBen Sergeant
 412 Posts



 Based outta Games of Berkeley, CA
 | | 03/19/2007 1:20 PM |
| | I posted similar sentiments on another recent ASPECTS thread, so I'll give another shout out here - EPIC STATS for white cards!!! How cool would an EPIC (and playable!) Drow Cleric of Lolth be?!? As said above, "c'mon WotC - get'r done"!!! | | Champion of all things Athasian "Don't sing it - Bring it!" | |
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 dj-chuckles Underboss
 2455 Posts



 The State that invented Spam!
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Ryoga Underboss
 1124 Posts



 Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
 | | 03/20/2007 1:17 PM |
| 2 EPIC stats Cards per month!!! PLZ older one and new one!!! PLZ WIZARDS!!!...  | | Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :( Some day I will be back in board | |
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Sharn Inquisitor Underboss
 1623 Posts




 | | 03/20/2007 2:34 PM |
| | It makes logical business sense to produce epic cards for the new stuff...not the old. Many newer players excited to get into the game would be remiss to have epic cards for old figures they can no longer afford. In addition, producing epic cards for new figures stimulates purchases for the new sets of figures. I'd rather WotC stay fiscally viable, than have some 'vanity' old Epic cards being produced that would likely be unplayable anyway...due to the obvious ease of overcosting. | | | |
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