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04/25/2007 9:01 PM  
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04/25/2007 9:06 PM  
A photo of the entire set? LOL...pretty cool even if it's fuzzy. Thanks, Shoe, for the Large White.

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04/25/2007 9:22 PM  
Wiiiii previews begins!

the white looks a little ugly painted... maybe is better live


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04/25/2007 9:24 PM  
Cool.  Pun intended.Â

The Frost Giant Jarl we new about, now we get the Large White Dragon.  Sounds kinda poor skirmish wise, but it depends on its cost I guess.Â

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04/25/2007 9:27 PM  
on the left hand side of the blurry set pic, i thinks that is an umber hulk?
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04/25/2007 9:33 PM  
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Frost Giant JarlWow, it's nearly May already. Pretty soon it'll be summer, which means it's not very long until we release the next expansion to the D&D Miniatures game: Night Below. July's Night Below release brings more dungeon into your D&D game and also brings more dragons while it's at it. The name of the set evokes the big boxed-set dungeons of the 1990's, like Dragon Mountain, Return to the Tomb of Horrors, The Rod of Seven Parts, and of course Night Below. I spent many weekends harrowing groups of PCs through those massive adventures.

I'm sure someone will create an exhaustive list of all the creatures from those 2nd Edition D&D adventures in the hope of divining which of them might be in the Night Below set. They may even figure out a few of them. But speculation should also look to other sources, including our campaign settings and monster manuals. A handful of creatures will also simultaneously debut in Monster Manual V, which also releases this summer.

In the coming weeks, we'll unveil more and more of the contents of Night Below. Mr. Smith has already given you a look at the Kobold Trapmaker and Frost Giant Jarl in his April and Beyond article. Fans at the D&D Experience this past February also got a look at a couple of minis such as the Uncommon Babau Demon and others. You'll soon get a peek or two (or three, or maybe three and three halves) at the dragons of the set. You'll learn which Realms, Eberron, and Dragonlance personalities will be immortalized in plastic. I'll give a glimpse into the design of monsters for MMV. And you'll see just how many legs I can fit into one preview.

Skirmish players will also want to pay attention, as I'll continue highlighting each mini's capabilities in the skirmish game. The new options in this set are sure to be considered for play in this year's D&D Miniatures Championship held this August at Gen Con in Indianapolis.

Large White DragonFor example, lets look at some stone cold classics from the Glacial Rift --

You might recognize that frost giant as the Jarl from Mat Smith's preview. He stands at the same height as the Frost Giant from Giants of Legend, though his shoulders are broader. His minis game stats are more comparable to the Fire Giant Forgepriest from the recent Blood War set, though the Chaotic Evil Jarl spends an extra 18 points on his Commander Effect (+5 damage vs enemies immune or resistant to fire), his Stunning Rend ability, and his Icequake Hammer area-effect power (cold damage and stun to nearby creatures). He's a little easier to hit, and his attack bonus is slightly lower, compared to the Forgepriest, but he dishes out slightly more (non-magic) damage with each swing.

What frost giant could be a Jarl without a Large White Dragon as a pet? White dragons have historically been on the low end of the dragon scale but still very close to black dragons in terms of overall power. The minis game continues this trend by shaving a bit of power off the black dragon's stats. AC and level are 2 lower, damage is 5 lower (even on the breath weapon), and instead of a morale-boosting Enforcer ability, this creature is much more likely to run when out of command thanks to its Flighty ability (-4 to morale saves when out of command). It remains to be seen if the triple and quad black dragon warbands will evolve into black-and-whites, but downgrading one of those blacks might allow a warband more options for carnage.

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04/25/2007 9:43 PM  
Woo hoo previews
I like the idea of the whole set being displayed

I thought dragons were meant to be getting better! not getting crud abilities that mean less likley to be warbandable - less ac and flightly. I wonder if it will see use ever... I wonder if it will still get a warband effecting ability? It is nice to have a white, and I sholdnt write it off this early but ...

The Jarl however looks awesome, (still) and sounds like a decent skirmish beast.


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04/25/2007 9:49 PM  
I'd hoped they'd give the white something to augment its low end of the chromatic hierarchy. Barbarian levels or something.


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04/25/2007 9:50 PM  
>>You'll soon get a peek or two (or three, or maybe three and three halves) at the dragons of the set.

Does this mean there will be 3 dragons and 3 half-dragons in the set?
Large White Dragon, (Large?) Shadow Dragon, (?Good Dragon to balance the bad?)

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04/25/2007 9:56 PM  
Posted By Dropbear on 04/25/2007 9:50 PM
>>You'll soon get a peek or two (or three, or maybe three and three halves) at the dragons of the set.

Does this mean there will be 3 dragons and 3 half-dragons in the set?
Large White Dragon, (Large?) Shadow Dragon, (?Good Dragon to balance the bad?)

Hmmm...he did say three and three halves.  Now that you mention it, I think there will be three dragons and three half dragons.  I was thinking 3.5 dragons with the .5 being one half dragon until you mentioned it.

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04/25/2007 10:27 PM  
yay previews ! how long till some one clears up that blurry image ?


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04/25/2007 10:29 PM  
The Large White looks like a less than par sculpt. I hope it looks better in person. I'm glad to finally be getting one, though.

The Jarl sounds like fun for skirmish. I am guessing that the Large White will have a point cost in the high 30's. It might turn out to be an alright skirmish piece.

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04/25/2007 10:58 PM  
Its nice to get Whitey, since there have been so few white made. While is certainly sounds less-skirmish worthy than the LBD I understand the relative power scale with Whites being on the low end. Maybe it'll make it easier to snag one compared to the Black.
Anyone notice that Shoe mentioned the Frost Giant Jarl is the same height as the one from GoL just broad shouldered? If thats not a nod toward size creep concerns I don't know what is.
I have no idea what the blob picture is, without looking closely it doesn't even look like its a complete set.
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04/25/2007 11:33 PM  
I was about to say the white dragon lovers must be in high heaven: a large in this set and a gargantuan later in the year.

I like seeing the whole set, maybe as they reveal more we'll see more clear figures and the fuzzy picture will then have more resolution. I like it better than the silhouette if they do it this way.

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04/26/2007 12:08 AM  
He mentioned the relative power of the Frost Giant Jarl vs the Fire Giant Forgepriest - a commander that hits about as frequently, about as hard, and has more abilites than the Fire Giant for only 18 more points?  I guess it depends on exactly how much lower its AC and attack bonus is, but this sounds pretty good to me.

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04/26/2007 1:19 AM  
Sweeeeeeet!!!!!

A large White and a Huge white around the same time.

Time for a cold shower - pun intended


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Posted By PhoenixInferno on 04/26/2007 12:08 AM
He mentioned the relative power of the Frost Giant Jarl vs the Fire Giant Forgepriest - a commander that hits about as frequently, about as hard, and has more abilites than the Fire Giant for only 18 more points?  I guess it depends on exactly how much lower its AC and attack bonus is, but this sounds pretty good to me.


Don't forget that the FGFP has something better than a commander effect in its forge blessing.  Some of the best LE pieces (Helmed Horror for one) lack magic damage, and he solves that for his whole warband.  Without fully knowing the stats of the new Frost Giant Jarl, I expect that it would lose in a head-to-match with the FGFP.  Ultroloth will nerf the Jarl (very painful considering its lower attack bonus, and the FGFP's fairly high AC), and Dragonmark Heir of Deneith can bodyguard and give the FGFP cold immunity.  Still, that's but one scenario.  I hope the Jarl proves strong in overall play.

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Posted By qillan_dvra on 04/26/2007 1:19 AM
Sweeeeeeet!!!!!

A large White and a Huge white around the same time.

Time for a cold shower - pun intended

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Posted By Dropbear on 04/25/2007 9:50 PM
>>You'll soon get a peek or two (or three, or maybe three and three halves) at the dragons of the set.

Does this mean there will be 3 dragons and 3 half-dragons in the set?
Large White Dragon, (Large?) Shadow Dragon, (?Good Dragon to balance the bad?)


I was thinking 3 Dragons and a Half Dragon but you bring up an interesting idea

I think we can safely say that the 3 dragons are

Large White (No brainer its been previewed)
Large Shadow (Its on the Night Below Box art)
Large Gold (Leaked by a mini artist a while ago)

Now depending on how many half dragons there are Im betting that its one or all of the following 

Hobgoblin/Half Dragon from Red Hand of Doom
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04/26/2007 4:11 AM  
Cool love the large white dragon...nothing a little bit of paint can't fix. (who cares) its finally made!
Frost giant we have seen... and it rocks

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04/26/2007 4:17 AM  
wth is "Stunning Rend"??

oooh.. what ever, it sounds cool. Will it play cool?

I can see it now, the Large White Dragon is NOT going to see play. Unless it's somehow "better" than the LBD

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04/26/2007 4:31 AM  
Good more large white dragons for me.....
See lots of play on my table.... as a large white dragon j/k

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04/26/2007 5:21 AM  
I'm glad we are getting a large white dragon. That is very good. But the paint job on this one looks pretty bad. I hope they fix it before the final product comes out. Dragons are such key minis that they deserve to have a nice paint job, at least the large rare ones.


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04/26/2007 5:22 AM  
Kinda bummed that we only get 1 new mini for the first preview.

The set pic really is a waste of time.

Like the Large White, will be put into immediate use this summer (my campaign's 1st dragon....)

It's going to be a long week....

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04/26/2007 6:07 AM  
It'll be nice to have the Large White Dragon.

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04/26/2007 8:03 AM  
Posted By Dropbear on 04/25/2007 9:50 PM
>>You'll soon get a peek or two (or three, or maybe three and three halves) at the dragons of the set.

Does this mean there will be 3 dragons and 3 half-dragons in the set?
Large White Dragon, (Large?) Shadow Dragon, (?Good Dragon to balance the bad?)


Maybe not dragons, but draconians? They did mention DL personalities...

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04/26/2007 8:11 AM  
The large white, great sculpt, crap stats.

It gets a 4 on it's morale checks when out of commmand. It loses 2 to saves and AC, -5 damage on it's attack and breath weapon compared to the LBD. Why does the white suck so much, it's supposed to be older than other dragons of that size?

I'm hoping because it costs 28pts.

3 dragons + 3 half dragons sounds tantilizing.

I do like the foggy pic in the background, nice touch Shoe.


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Posted By Kypdurron on 04/25/2007 10:27 PM
yay previews ! how long till some one clears up that blurry image ?

It's no good. There is imply not enough information to work with. It's just coloured blobs.

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Posted By Shottglazz on 04/26/2007 8:03 AM
Maybe not dragons, but draconians? They did mention DL personalities...

I really hope that those "halves" are draconians.  That would be cool.

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04/26/2007 9:39 AM  
Posted By Corim Danex on 04/26/2007 9:24 AM
Posted By Shottglazz on 04/26/2007 8:03 AM
Maybe not dragons, but draconians? They did mention DL personalities...

I really hope that those "halves" are draconians.  That would be cool.
Could even be: more dragonspawn (shudder),

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04/26/2007 9:49 AM  
Any chance that this White Dragon is a large uncommon, or has it been said somewhere that I missed that it is a rare?

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04/26/2007 9:58 AM  
it better be draconians for if i get anymore dragon spawn i will freak out!

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04/26/2007 10:02 AM  
I'm definitely looking forward to this set. Large white, well, it's about time!

Look like lots of dragons coming up, and I'm definitely looing forward to them all.

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Posted By Corim Danex on 04/26/2007 9:24 AM
Posted By Shottglazz on 04/26/2007 8:03 AM
Maybe not dragons, but draconians? They did mention DL personalities...

I really hope that those "halves" are draconians.  That would be cool.

well wizards did just buy dragonlance back...

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04/26/2007 10:33 AM  
Posted By vanrulzz on 04/26/2007 10:30 AM
Posted By Corim Danex on 04/26/2007 9:24 AM
Posted By Shottglazz on 04/26/2007 8:03 AM
Maybe not dragons, but draconians? They did mention DL personalities...

I really hope that those "halves" are draconians.  That would be cool.

well wizards did just buy dragonlance back...

Exactly Vanrulzz...that's what lead me to connect the "half-dragons" comment with Draconians...could we possibly be seeing a set with both twins? We know Raistlin is on his way - what about Caramon? Even though the Free League Ranger could sub (in looks) for Tanis, the "key" Companions would be good...

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04/26/2007 11:00 AM  
I love that there's a large white dragon - hope it looks a bit better in hand though.

I like that Shoe made a point of saying that the Jarl was the same height as the GOL frost Giant - I don't get as upset about size creep as some people do but the FGFP was a little out of hand.

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04/26/2007 12:48 PM  
You'll soon get a peek or two (or three, or maybe three and three halves)


They could conserve space by making the "three and three halves" 3 half-dragon dragons. Just kidding.

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04/26/2007 2:40 PM  
When I first read the half dragons, I figured he meant little dragons, but half-dragons sounds more plausible, as do draconians.


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04/26/2007 3:15 PM  
Or a healthy mix of half-dragons and draconians...

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Canary Islands - Spain

04/26/2007 3:25 PM  
LWD is a rare, isn't it?

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