kyrin
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| Okay, so since somebody brokered a trade with me, here are the Epic stats for the Wizard of Turnips... um, Turmish:
178 points
Level 14
Speed F8
AC 23
hp 135
Melee Attack +16/+9 (10 magic)
Type Humanoid (Human)
Special Abilities
Flight
Cooperative Spellcasting (this creature spell DC +1 for each spellcaster adjacent)
Devoted Familiar x1 (Kitty takes a bullet for you)
Spells
7th -- Antimagic Ray x1 (range 6; target loses ability to cast spells/psionics; DC 19)
         Ironguard x1 (touch; creature gains DR 10)
6th -- Greater Anyspell x2 (cast any spell of 5th level or lower that adjacent ally can cast)
5th -- Shroud of Flame x2 (sight; 10 fire damage whenever target activates; DC 17)
1st -- Backbiter (unlimited; range 6; target attacks self; DC 13)
Hmmm... I wonder how this guy got access to 7th level spells with only a 13 or 14 INT...
Enjoy.
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Pedro
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| | 04/29/2007 1:01 PM |
| DC's are too low And surrounding him with 5 another sorcerers just to ensure 1:1 chance on epic beaters for 10dmg/turn...
Which level are Moldy's Swords?  Could cast it two times...
IÂ also see no Spell Resistence, Spell Penetration, Quick Cast...
Range 6 for the Assay spells thing seems very restrictive to me... he has to expose himself (thus almost no cooperative spellcasting), which could be a high risk/high reward. Still seems bad to me. | |
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Pedro
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| | 04/29/2007 1:10 PM |
| The Backbiter is also stupid...DC 13?
His attacks are also lowly, so he can't even fight after he has used up all his spells. | |
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nyjastul69
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| | 04/29/2007 1:25 PM |
| Posted By Pedro on 04/29/2007 1:10 PM
His attacks are also lowly, so he can't even fight after he has used up all his spells.
As a Wizard, why should he be able to? | |
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Pedro
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| | 04/29/2007 4:39 PM |
| Yes, that's true, but even some wizards have moderate attacks, eg. Vlaakith, Elminster. I thought Archmage does, too. The first one is good, it is. But it still doesn't convince me that it's a good creature.
He could be played with Elminster, using Spell Focus 2. | |
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| | 04/29/2007 7:13 PM |
| | Mordy's Swords are definitely 7th level | |
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| | 04/29/2007 7:36 PM |
| but what happen with the epic crads of demogron, orcus and bane; or other older mini. wizard
is crazy the people don´t want too see more epics of the last set, what happen with the older
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| | this sucks! as i posted elsewhere, i am against the old epics, and i want them more than this s**t!  WTF? i waited a whole month for this, they looked like they got the werewolf lord card right, but Wizard of Turmish? Pick a good rare next time. Wizards, i used to have hope, but no more. | | | |
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SYB
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| | 04/29/2007 8:53 PM |
| DC 24 Confusion... (I'll let you figure out the trick to raise the DC by 10). Exciting!
Is there any way to get a Hold Monster spell into CG? That could be a DC 27.
Oh, and, stop WHINING! Seriously, people, you sound like kindergarteners when you whine about the FREE stuff WotC is giving you.
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Faragdar the Wise
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| | 04/29/2007 9:24 PM |
| 8 adjacent spellcasters plus Elminster nets DC +10. Generally, I doubt that'd be worth the risk of clustering your spellcasters in Epic. Also, is Elminster a good commander for this guy? Regular Elly can't grab Epic Turnip's spells, and Epic Elly + Epic Turnip is way too many points for not enough offense.
I look over the stats, and I have a nagging feeling that there's a combo that actually makes this guy worth considering, but I don't see it yet. | |
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| Don't forget potential combos. Much like Elminster, this guy's stats improve with every CG spellcaster that is made.
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| | 04/29/2007 9:43 PM |
| Jim,
I will need one of those cards for closer inspection.
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ScruffyRanger
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| | 04/29/2007 9:47 PM |
| You're kidding? I have to have one of these wankers on my bookshelf?
This is why drug testing should be mandatory at Wizards. Maybe, someone, somewhere within Wizards or the RPGA thought:
"Oh... I know how to repulse our long-standing and loyal customers! Let's give them a Wizard of Turnips epic card! I mean, we already disgusted them by releasing the miniature in the first place... then we natural 20'd the disappointment by making it a rare. Let's go the whole hog and do our best to keep them offside. And while we're at it - let's flat-up not listen to them, EVER! HAHAHA! AWESOME!"
Maybe.
I guess I can understand though. I mean, what would the wider DDM community want with something like an epic Orcus, Eillistraee or Beholder? I'm sure deep down they'd much prefer an epic Valorous Prince, Champion of Yondalla or Stonechild. Considering also we're not meant to be paying for these, that is they're given free (as prizes) at events and organised play - I think we have the right to complain  | |
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| | How many poeple are playing at stores that just give the epics away for free? I know our store charges to play in tournaments. They have to cover the cost of the kits somehow. | |
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kyrin
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| | 04/30/2007 7:09 AM |
| Posted By Username on 04/29/2007 9:43 PM Jim, I will need one of those cards for closer inspection.
Come to the Austin Qualifier, my friend, and we can arrange that...
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| Posted By SYB on 04/29/2007 8:53 PM
Oh, and, stop WHINING! Seriously, people, you sound like kindergarteners when you whine about the FREE stuff WotC is giving you.
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| | 04/30/2007 10:07 AM |
| Posted By Faragdar the Wise on 04/29/2007 9:24 PM
8 adjacent spellcasters plus Elminster nets DC +10. Generally, I doubt that'd be worth the risk of clustering your spellcasters in Epic. Also, is Elminster a good commander for this guy? Regular Elly can't grab Epic Turnip's spells, and Epic Elly + Epic Turnip is way too many points for not enough offense.
I look over the stats, and I have a nagging feeling that there's a combo that actually makes this guy worth considering, but I don't see it yet.
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you get 8 adjacent spellcasters? | |
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| Posted By nyjastul69 on 04/30/2007 10:48 AM
The four sides and the four corners.
Which calls for a Bigby's Slapping Hand.... or even EPIC Mordy's dual lightning spheres. 40dmg lightning x2 due to quick cast.Â
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| | 04/30/2007 12:38 PM |
| Yeah, his DC's need to be higher. That would make him a playable piece.
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| | 04/30/2007 6:34 PM |
| Posted By SYB on 04/29/2007 8:53 PM
Oh, and, stop WHINING! Seriously, people, you sound like kindergarteners when you whine about the FREE stuff WotC is giving you.
-SYB
Thank you for finally saying that! I've been kinda thinking it for a while now...
and seriously, compare the ratio of decently usable rares in epic to 200pts, I'd guess that they're probably not that much different. Also, imagine if a truly unbalanced epic card snuck through, imagine the whinging then...
The Wizard does suck majorly though, I don't deny it, and it would still be nicer if WoTC would release more playable epic cards. | |
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| | 04/30/2007 10:56 PM |
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SYB
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| People seem to forget that WotC can see multiple sets ahead. Raistlin is about to come out. He is almost definitely going to be unique and rumor says he is CG. He may very well have some really stellar 5th level spells (in his normal or epic form) that would be so much better if you could cast more than one. Heck, the non-epic turnip may suddenly shine as well (standing next to Raistlin) for the same reason (but with 2nd level spells instead).
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| Posted By SYB on 05/01/2007 7:18 AM
People seem to forget that WotC can see multiple sets ahead. Raistlin is about to come out. He is almost definitely going to be unique and rumor says he is CG. He may very well have some really stellar 5th level spells (in his normal or epic form) that would be so much better if you could cast more than one. Heck, the non-epic turnip may suddenly shine as well (standing next to Raistlin) for the same reason (but with 2nd level spells instead).
-SYB
Also a good point- but if Epic Raistlin is CG I'm gonna be a little pissed, somehow somebody who ends up (almost) destroying the entire pantheon and the planet as well doesn't really get the Good moniker anymore... | |
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| Posted By warty_nosed_goblin on 05/01/2007 8:05 AM Posted By SYB on 05/01/2007 7:18 AM
People seem to forget that WotC can see multiple sets ahead. Raistlin is about to come out. He is almost definitely going to be unique and rumor says he is CG. He may very well have some really stellar 5th level spells (in his normal or epic form) that would be so much better if you could cast more than one. Heck, the non-epic turnip may suddenly shine as well (standing next to Raistlin) for the same reason (but with 2nd level spells instead).
-SYB Also a good point- but if Epic Raistlin is CG I'm gonna be a little pissed, somehow somebody who ends up (almost) destroying the entire pantheon and the planet as well doesn't really get the Good moniker anymore...
Yeah, I'm hoping he's the first epic with a different alignment than the original piece.
That would be cool.
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vanrulzz
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| | 05/01/2007 9:59 AM |
| | but its not going to happen. Its too complicated, you would have to put it in 2 slots in the set list, people would get confused and ask even more infinetly nooby questions on the Wizards boards (i hate the noobs there "what pack should i buy?" "WTF is a ranged atk?" stuff like that) | | | |
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SYB
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| | 05/01/2007 10:10 AM |
| Posted By vanrulzz on 05/01/2007 9:59 AM
but its not going to happen. Its too complicated, you would have to put it in 2 slots in the set list, people would get confused and ask even more infinetly nooby questions on the Wizards boards (i hate the noobs there "what pack should i buy?" "WTF is a ranged atk?" stuff like that)
Calm down. Everyone was a noob once. If you don't show patience to noobs, they will leave the game in frustration. Then there won't be anybody to play the game (new players are the life blood of the game).
Here is something to think on Van. Take a look at the "power players" in this game. Yes, they are all good players. But, for the most part, they have something else in common. They advance the game. They do this by promoting it, running tournaments, officiating, writing articles, and helping new players. Basically, they add in every way they can. I've read the tournament reports. I know you made top 8 recently. But, in attitude, I'd say you have a long way to go before you are someone I feel is advancing the game.
*shakes head in disappointment*
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| | 05/01/2007 12:21 PM |
| Posted By vanrulzz on 05/01/2007 9:59 AM
but its not going to happen. Its too complicated, you would have to put it in 2 slots in the set list, people would get confused and ask even more infinetly nooby questions on the Wizards boards (i hate the noobs there "what pack should i buy?" "WTF is a ranged atk?" stuff like that)
(Throw in what SYB said here)
Yeah, part of what makes the game awesome is the community. It's one of the major reasons I left dreamblade. It feels chilly in that game. Being welcoming and friendly is what sets DDM apart.
Anywho, I'm specifically talking about making the epic card a retailer kit card.
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| | 05/01/2007 1:20 PM |
| | Damn, those stats kinda suck. I still like the sculpt of the mini a lot; just wish that it was a little bigger and more detailed. At 178 points, and the need for other spellcasters to have any good synergy, this "cat" just isn't gonna stand up in a 500 pt game with things like Bahamut flying around breathing death on everybody. | |
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Bert the Troll
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| | 05/01/2007 4:16 PM |
| First mod note: Please don't use the word whining.Â
People are allowed to complain or otherwise discuss 'stuff' as long as it is polite.
Though I would agree that some posts skirt that polite line on a knife edge.
There is also some off topic stuff that looks like it might need to go in a new thread if you wish to further discuss it too.
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I was surprised/disappointed/frumpy to see wizoturnips made epic.
I want to see the older ones. And will keep nagging to see older ones :p
Bt with cruddy stats for the normal card, why expect good stats for the epics is my thought. Case in point: lord of blades.
But it also wouldn't surprise me if as said that some spells would be over balanced if wizoturnips was better, or similar. I would hate to see future spells nerfed just 'cause of anyspell. (more an argument to skip the piece over than anything know)
Another factor would be is different formats of play. Most people posting here are hard core 200 pt competitive players, then some more fun players at different point values.
And in 1000 pts mark, I'm sure the wizoturnips would shine bright.
and seriously, compare the ratio of decently usable rares in epic to 200pts, I'd guess that they're probably not that much different. Also, imagine if a truly unbalanced epic card snuck through, imagine It's sad. but you are probably right re ratio of useable rares/useable epics. That however, doesnt maen it is a good thing, or something that can be avoided. True or not, the perception of most people is that the 'orgainised play/retailers' epics are easier to balance as there is just one, not an entire set.
And people do complain about the existing overbalanced epics, or rather they complain more that there aren't others equal in ower to them (ie tordek, storm archer). There are more complaints about wussy epics than broken ones.
Hmmm... I wonder how this guy got access to 7th level spells with only a 13 or 14 INT...
Thats because he is a DM's PC.
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| | 05/01/2007 5:19 PM |
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| Posted By warty_nosed_goblin on 05/01/2007 8:05 AM Posted By SYB on 05/01/2007 7:18 AM
People seem to forget that WotC can see multiple sets ahead. Raistlin is about to come out. He is almost definitely going to be unique and rumor says he is CG. He may very well have some really stellar 5th level spells (in his normal or epic form) that would be so much better if you could cast more than one. Heck, the non-epic turnip may suddenly shine as well (standing next to Raistlin) for the same reason (but with 2nd level spells instead).
-SYB Also a good point- but if Epic Raistlin is CG I'm gonna be a little pissed, somehow somebody who ends up (almost) destroying the entire pantheon and the planet as well doesn't really get the Good moniker anymore...
Assuming the Raistlin mini that Shoe was carrying around at D&D XP is a production mini (or at least a final version of the mini sent for approval), Raistlin is probably not going to come with an epic card in the booster, since the base doesn't have an epic point cost on it. | | | |
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| Posted By nyjastul69 on 04/30/2007 10:48 AM
The four sides and the four corners.
So at least one of those spellcasters would have to be in your opponents band and thus your wizard couldn't cast anyway. Since temsry has a Phd in math I am pretty sure he can count and the point of his question was how can you legally get the eight additional spellcasters in the band. | |
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| | 05/02/2007 7:57 PM |
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