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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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United States
 | | 06/02/2007 4:52 AM |
| Posted By CoyoteNomad on 06/01/2007 5:55 PM
Out of curiosity, why does Trample 20 do 15 damage? Well, as everyone knows, unicorns are kind creatures. So, the trample is a kinder, softer trample.
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 06/02/2007 6:31 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 06/02/2007 4:52 AM Posted By CoyoteNomad on 06/01/2007 5:55 PM
Out of curiosity, why does Trample 20 do 15 damage? Well, as everyone knows, unicorns are kind creatures. So, the trample is a kinder, softer trample. Dave
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Raland
Sergeant
924 Posts
| | 06/02/2007 6:38 AM |
| | Have a feeling it is a typo and the clarifaction text won't matter. That it will be ruled to trample for 20. | |
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IANKAVIK
Warrior
211 Posts
COLOMBIA
| | 06/02/2007 7:25 PM |
| I agre iluvxtina, and althoug i am playing with any alignment in Epic skirmish, almost always use CG warbands.
However, i guess that i am so tired with stupid EPIC like archmage, Wizard of turmish and maybe this Virtuos Charger.
We are waiting for Epic Ryld, Epic Mina, Epic Alusayr, Epic Regdar, Epic Aspect of Bane, Epic Half Elf Bow Initiated, Epic Death Knight, Epic Frenzied Berzerker....
We need the ancient minis with new stats!!!
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evildani
Sneak
111 Posts
| | 06/03/2007 8:39 AM |
| LAst night I playtested with Ryoga the new epic , two comments:
The trample MUST be 15 dmg, or they would be to powerful
the spells are a waiste.
Play the while invisible and you will se the results.
2 of the them are a beast.
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 06/03/2007 8:54 AM |
| Interesting that an additional 5 trample damage could be so effective. I agree, I think with flying these guys can be what they are in 200: excellent, durable frst strike units. | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 06/03/2007 2:50 PM |
| Posted By evildani on 06/03/2007 8:39 AM
LAst night I playtested with Ryoga the new epic , two comments:
The trample MUST be 15 dmg, or they would be to powerful
the spells are a waiste.
Play the while invisible and you will se the results.
2 of the them are a beast.
Im near sure, 20 trample is soo huge!!! And Teflon is right, 5 adicional trampla damages change all the unit. This cavaldry is one of the best epic stats that I test... Amaizing...
We will inform if more tests.
Ryoga 
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/03/2007 4:03 PM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 05/31/2007 7:18 AM
People complain about quite a few epic cards that get posted. Now, admittedly, some of them stink (i.e. Lord of Blades). But, this brings me to some questions.
1) How many epic games do you actually play?
2) If there were more really good epic figures, would you play more epic games?
Here are my answers (time to be honest).
1) I haven't played many since GenCon last year, I think. I judged one tournament of 15 players, so I did some testing to help some of the locals beforehand.
2) Probably not.
Dave
1) Until fairly recently, every third/fouth gaming night. More when WoDQ was new though.
2) Yes. In times past, when we got a new epic, it meant for different band and then counter bands.
Posted By Wraithborne on 06/01/2007 7:09 PM Posted By CoyoteNomad on 06/01/2007 5:55 PM
Out of curiosity, why does Trample 20 do 15 damage? It'll have to have some sort ot errata, as that's how it is on the card.
Posted By Ryoga on 06/03/2007 2:50 PM
Posted By evildani on 06/03/2007 8:39 AM
LAst night I playtested with Ryoga the new epic , two comments:
The trample MUST be 15 dmg, or they would be to powerful
the spells are a waiste.
Play the while invisible and you will se the results.
2 of the them are a beast.
Im near sure, 20 trample is soo huge!!! And Teflon is right, 5 adicional trampla damages change all the unit. This cavaldry is one of the best epic stats that I test... Amaizing...
We will inform if more tests.
Ryoga
Well thats hopeful then. Though I dont see it. I should test it before opening my mouth further. But its not like skirmish attack goes with charge, and just dont see 15/5 (or 20/10) damage to one medium creature being that great in Epic.
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evildani
Sneak
111 Posts
| | 06/04/2007 9:06 AM |
| The game went on like this:
My band
2x VC (epic)
Silverhand
VNC
Gnome trickster
grayCloack ranger
2x Timberwolf
Ryogas Band:
2x Phomorian
1 Epic Thrall
3x Orc Wizard (the one with battering ram spell)
Tiefling Cap
Wardrummer
The battle was simple, I won map, it was frost fell rift.
I turned everything invisible, and starting trample (ing) every unit I had ranged on (moved 24), by the fourth round, and with a little help from the VNC thral was dead, I did not had a change to get the Tiefling Cap or the durmmer, they were pretty far away, then I used both VC to kill a fomorian in like one or maybe two rounds, and used the two timber wolfs to cut the path for the other fomorin, any way, it was fairly simple, two VCs kill with no effort almost any unit.
I imagine a tordek being trample twice every turn... same to any invisible archmage, since conceal does not apply.
As you can see, the VC is not only a formidable hitter, but with fly he can inflict some serious damage to tech units, then once against hit the main hitter. In order to be used effectively he has to move and give AoO, why not use him to inflict some damage to a tech 6 squares away?
Please believe me when we say, that this unit is by far the best epic I have tested, and I have tested a lot of epics.
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warty_nosed_goblin
Underboss
1384 Posts
| | 06/04/2007 9:30 AM |
| | Interesting, but I'd imagine it would have a very bad matchup against anything big with blindsight, since it'll then have to to take AoO's when trampling and it can't afford a lot of those. | |
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evildani
Sneak
111 Posts
| | 06/04/2007 10:29 AM |
| No, they both have flight, via Storm Silverhand. So no AoO.
well against huge and large creatures the trample will not work, but they can deliver enough damage to kill him. I havent tested them against bahamut, but I imagine that he would be no problem.
Daniel
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greyhaze
Warlord
7737 Posts
| | 06/04/2007 10:38 AM |
| Posted By evildani on 06/04/2007 10:29 AM
No, they both have flight, via Storm Silverhand. So no AoO.
They don't have mounted melee attack, so they would get AoO from something with Blindsight. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/04/2007 5:01 PM |
| Hmm this might soon end up in skirmish.
You can only trample one thing, though thast at a time, not per turn. Interesting anyhow. Will have to give it a go.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 06/04/2007 5:13 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 06/04/2007 10:38 AM Posted By evildani on 06/04/2007 10:29 AM
No, they both have flight, via Storm Silverhand. So no AoO.
They don't have mounted melee attack, so they would get AoO from something with Blindsight.
Only when 'taking off'.
Mounted melee attack doesnt matter in regards to trample, as trample isnt an attack.
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Semi-Secret sig business: "In the age of the internet attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy." - Benjamin Franklin
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 06/12/2007 11:59 AM |
| | someone has a pic of VC? | |
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Raland
Sergeant
924 Posts
| | 06/12/2007 12:04 PM |
| | I have some blurry pictures and can't seem to take any where it's clear to make out the stats | |
Champion of the Kender
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