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time bandit
Sneak
72 Posts
    
 | | 07/29/2007 10:13 AM |
| I've been meaning to write this for a while. About five years ago, when all of this started, I used to buy from a guy named Shannon in Sherman Texas. The guy never had an address, always a PO box. In the beginnning, the guy was great. Reliable, fast, and always communicative. Near the end of his first eBay account, howver, things got very ugly. He didn't answer any emails, everyone got stiffed, and I felt I had just dodged a bullet since I got my stuff just before the big rip off.
Then came the second guy in Sherman. Again, just a PO box. I think he was still using the same name but different seller handle. Same thing all over again. This account lasted about two years, and then he sailed off into the sunset with numerous payments and no minis for the people who had bid. Again, I somehow managed to avoid being robbed.
Then I finally got stung. Bought from yet another guy in Sherman (this time no name, just seller handle and po box) who eventually ripped off hundreds (myself included). The list of people he shafted is long and the complaints numerous. I have a very strong feeling it was the same guy.
I have vowed never to buy anything from that part of Texas, mainly because this shape-shifting thief who has rinsed and repeated so many times now. Anyone else had a bad experience with Sherman Texas? | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 07/29/2007 1:33 PM |
| | I know who you're referring to. I've purchased from the current incarnation (Jotoge Games) and have had no problems and good communication. He acknowledged when I asked that he had problems in the past. Others have had much different experiences, though. | |
Knight Warlord a.k.a. Commander (#32) in only 6 months. Where's my pie?
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time bandit
Sneak
72 Posts
| | 07/29/2007 2:20 PM |
| Jotoge Games. That was the name. Yeah, I think others should check on its current status. Out of business, and hundreds of negative responses before he closed up shop.
In the future I think the only way to track him will be through a Sherman Texas po box. Otherwise, people will be set up by him again and again. | |
Successful trades with: Kumag, Darkfather, Spikegif, Jeff Wilder, Smetzger, SchoolyD, Sttmxn (x4), Shadowlord, Zaxdragon, Greyone, qillan divra (x2), Unearthed Arcana, tomas, Iyceman, Jscifert, Azraelkain, Rav950, S1n50, Japakar, Ghendar, DNDJunkie, Oryan77, Carlson
For all other trading info, consult my electronic trade record. | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 07/29/2007 3:03 PM |
| Jotoge Games is one incarnation of this yahoo. There is another name... it escapes me at the moment, but I will remember and come back and edit this thread.
I think the guy's name is Shannon, too.
Edit: Fantasy Quest.
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Chairman7w
Sergeant
484 Posts
| | 07/29/2007 3:51 PM |
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 07/29/2007 3:52 PM |
| | There are several ebay usernames for this evil seller. I think there is a thread on the trading forums about them. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 07/29/2007 4:09 PM |
| FWIW: Jotoge games are listed in the bad ebayers list http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/54/tpage/1/view/Topic/postid/438565/Default.aspx | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 07/29/2007 5:43 PM |
| | Avoid this seller at all costs. You may do well at first but you're playing with fire if you keep buying from this guy. I bought once and had no problems but I've heeded the warnings of my fellow maxmini-ites and have stayed away ever since. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
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I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 07/29/2007 11:20 PM |
| | I heard of these problems for quite some time, I'm staying clear. | | | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 07/30/2007 4:01 AM |
| Now, the last time I knew, he was running his scams out of a brick and mortar game store name Fantasy Quest.
The phone number for the store is (903) 868-1488. Shannon is the guy who runs the place, I think. When confronted with several... ahem... FIRM phone calls, you usually get your minis.
Ultimately, everyone who has ever been screwed over by this guy should get together and contact the BBB. If he is using his brick and mortar storefront to run online scams, you should be able to get the BBB to shut his arse down.
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rokeca
Sneak
137 Posts
| | 07/30/2007 8:51 AM |
| | I made a purchase from Jotoge games (running out of Fantasy Quest in Sherman Texas) for minis back in February. At the time, Jotoge had a good feedback rating. I did not receive my purchases, and after my emails went ignored, I noticed that dozens of people were experiencing the same problem. I made a claim through PayPal and ultimately received a refund. I reported the vendor to ebay. I suspect others were doing the same because shortly after Jotoge's account was suspended. If I recall correctly, around 80 people did not receive their items. Speaking only for myself, I would be very cautious about any Sherman, Texas purchase in the future, and I am now much more attentive to feedback ratings when buying. | |
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Damien the Bloodfeaster
Sergeant
885 Posts
Portland, OR
| | 07/30/2007 1:59 PM |
| | I'm also cautious when their only available address is a PO box. | | | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 07/30/2007 9:02 PM |
| I'll add it to the list of places to be skeptical about.
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 07/31/2007 3:27 AM |
| Never had a problem with the seller from Sherman TX. I have avoided him since he became Jotogee Games (or whatever the name is), but I did buy a few mini's from him prior to that name change and always had no problems.Â
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time bandit
Sneak
72 Posts
| | 07/31/2007 8:58 AM |
| | Very few had problems when each of his seller names were new. He starts off strong, then stiffs everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, just before he changes to a new handle. The only way to track him is by the address of Sherman, Texas. If however you feel he's trustworthy, go take a look at Jotoge's last three or four hundred comments before he retired that name. | |
Successful trades with: Kumag, Darkfather, Spikegif, Jeff Wilder, Smetzger, SchoolyD, Sttmxn (x4), Shadowlord, Zaxdragon, Greyone, qillan divra (x2), Unearthed Arcana, tomas, Iyceman, Jscifert, Azraelkain, Rav950, S1n50, Japakar, Ghendar, DNDJunkie, Oryan77, Carlson
For all other trading info, consult my electronic trade record. | |
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Wraithborne
Warlord
5309 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 07/31/2007 9:30 AM |
| | Also, Beware of Russ Nelson from Lindon, UT | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
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rondom
Skirmisher
42 Posts
| | 07/31/2007 12:38 PM |
| I got badly stung by this guy (for 2 full sets of the last expansion), and due to some very unclear policies from PayPal and eBay I only ended up with a partial refund.
First *really* bad trade I had on eBay. | |
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Remember - if you can use all your figures it's 'Full' - if not it's 'Restricted'. Anything that cycles figures out of use in a planned timetable is 'Planned Obsolesence'. Never accept your enemy's terms! | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 07/31/2007 5:33 PM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 07/31/2007 9:30 AM
Also, Beware of Russ Nelson from Lindon, UT
Please supply information, not just names to avoid. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
Semi-Secret sig business: "In the age of the internet attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy." - Benjamin Franklin
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Wraithborne
Warlord
5309 Posts
The Red Light District
| | 07/31/2007 6:10 PM |
| | Russ Nelson, Owner/Operator of Chumba Toys was Rockymountaindd on ebay. I bought some stuff off of him once with no problem, but about 6 months ago he scammed on over 4,000 auctions and has vanished. | |
Eye dun no why youse guys think im not relly a person im jimgang from canada but im moving to cali as soon as i get a master card
-Jimgang
So, you stand at your grave, Has your soul yet been taken away?
So you can't read what's engraved, Is this Heaven or merely Decay?
Was there a light, enchantingly bright, A Question, just how did it end?
Just let me sift through your calm remains, And tear you away from your skin.
-Sumerias Fain. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 07/31/2007 6:55 PM |
| Thanks for extra info.
Also for those unaware, you should check ebay sellers on www.toolhaus.org first, though be aware it tracks negatives for years.
http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=Rockymountaindd&Dirn=Received+by&ref=home
Some of the feedback looked like a connection with chumba games somehow: http://www.resellerratings.com/store/ChumbaToys
* mod note: When this thread drops of the main page, I'll move it into references. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
Semi-Secret sig business: "In the age of the internet attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy." - Benjamin Franklin
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 08/05/2007 9:49 PM |
| | I've had a good transaction with him however I'm alarmed at what I just saw on his feedback. Aproximately 250 bad transactions in the last 6 months. I'm lucky. I usually dont deal large on ebay. I do bid and get stuff alot but the most I've spent is about $25.00 . How hard is it to get results from ebay/paypal? Can you call them and speak to someone with a brain who isn't overworked or is it all by email/robots. | |
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MuscledDestroyer
Sergeant
435 Posts
Prospect Park, Pa
| | 08/05/2007 10:05 PM |
| | Â Â I looked again and it seems he's been kicked off. Not a registered user. It seems the big problem starts in mid March . There are instances before but few. Then things just go nuts. Many state he doesnt return emails. This is criminal and should be investigated by the police. | |
Champion of Grape Juice. Its delicious. | |
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gregorkhan
Sneak
86 Posts
| | 08/08/2007 7:22 PM |
| I play DDM in Garland (Dallas). I live in McKinney (another Dallas burb) which isn't far from Sherman (not a Dallas burb). I don't know who this guy is, but I will drop packages off at the Sherman courthouse if anyone needs me to since I drive through there a lot on the way to Lake Texoma. Â
I got screwed by Danny Turner who runs a game store in Arkansas, and I feel for you guys. | | | |
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Monsoon28
Underboss
2313 Posts
Toronto
| | 08/11/2007 7:03 PM |
| | Worry about it? Nah, I stopped buying anything from Sherman , Texas ages ago. | |
"I was sittin' here eatin' my muffin, drinkin' my coffee, replayin' the incident in my head, when I had what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity." - Jules Winnfield
Sales/Trades Bad (1): Ironfist Boulderbender
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/11/2007 8:45 PM |
| And stuff like this is why I do most of my buying locally. I think I have half-a-dozen trades per site (here, hordelings, WotC) but mostly, buy local, trade local.
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Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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Gunthar
Commander
2938 Posts
| | 08/12/2007 7:07 AM |
| Posted By Wraithborne on 07/31/2007 6:10 PM
Russ Nelson, Owner/Operator of Chumba Toys was Rockymountaindd on ebay. I bought some stuff off of him once with no problem, but about 6 months ago he scammed on over 4,000 auctions and has vanished. Yep. He shafted me too. My first bad eBay experience ever.
I did get my stuff from one of the Sherman incarnations quickly and correctly, but that was quite a while ago. | |
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Minneapolis/St. Paul area
Completed trades: Aspect of Cheese (Love that moniker), Tickparasite, Elderthing, Lalato, Sodj, Grimoire, SmilinIrish, Zeb, RWarehall,Link, wikkawikkawa, Auramancer, Rommers, HK, Ivid5,Qillan_dvra, Puggins, Arcabius, Ironfist Boulderbender, Robby, Corim Danex, monster_slayer, DNDJUNKIE, Kelemvor, Krush, ckissee, Massawyrm, hockey fan, Wish, Uninspiring Lieutenant, vtloon x2, Vrecknidj, Darthpoke, WakeXX, AnarionZell, lycusmike, papabear5 and umpteen local trades with board members
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