stephengroy
Underboss
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Tempe AZ Beeyotch
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| From InQuest:
"THE PLASTIC PERIPHERALS
So Fourth Edition will be a new rule set based on d20, but not remotely compatible. What’s that mean for the minis game? Effectively, this is D&D Minis 2.0 as well. Starting with Dungeons of Dread in April of 2008, D&D Minis sets will use Fourth Edition rules. According to Slavicsek, “All your plastic will still be usable, but your stat cards will need to be updated.” However, you’ll be able to get updated stat cards for free on Wizards’ website for Unhallowed and the sets printed since. In addition, there will be a sort of all-star set of updated cards available for download that will include updated stats for the figs getting the most tournament play. And of course, there’s always room for re-releasing popular figs in post-Fourth expansions of the future."
Kiss your investment goodbye -- Boycott 2.0!
No wonder the Lg Green dragon will be different!
The old one will most likely be incompatible!
Also, I recently upgraded PHB and DMG to 3E -- Thanks for that, too! | |
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vanrulzz
Commander
2778 Posts
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| | 08/16/2007 4:45 PM |
| | boycotted. anyone remember Mage Knight? DDM is gonna die soon. | | | |
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Michael
Warrior
256 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 08/16/2007 5:05 PM |
| For me, it's to early to react that way. Re-stating old minis could be great in terms of diversity in tournaments.
Of course, Wizards shoul re-do EVERY mini released before Unhallowed and send the cards to their customers instead of expecting everyone to print them.
Could you please tell me about Mage Knight? I don't know what it was/is. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 08/16/2007 5:14 PM |
| Mage Knight was a Table top skirmish game instead of using cards had all the information on the base, similar to the set up Dreamblade has but it used the "clicky base" to show how much damage it has taken. Mage Knight had a good 8 or 9 booster sets and then one day decided to "update" the game to what is called Mage Knight 2.0
When this happened, Wizkids (who said they would never do set rotation) basically said all 1.0 figures (which was the original mage knight) would no longer be tournament legal, the major changes where this:
Mage Knight 2.0 figures had abilities 1.0 did not
Mage Knight 2.0 figures could have items equiped and 1.0 could not.
Mage Knight 2.0 had uniques with large bases which could cover an entire "victory area", 1.0 did not
Mage Knight 2.0 mounted figures counted the rider and mount as 2 seperate figures, 1.0 was not.
Mage Knight 2.0 had alot of rule changes, such as measuring distance and targeting.
Then 6 months later, they removed the 1.0 figure ban and released a booster set that had a updated selection of previous 1.0 figures updated to 2.0, at this point Mage Knight was discontinued and died. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 08/16/2007 5:17 PM |
| | If wizards dont spend the pittance on redoing the cards online, I'll glady go from encouraging people to learn, play and buy to telling them reasons why to avoid purchasing anything from WoTC. | |
"Mutton yesterday, mutton today, and blimey, if it don't look like mutton again tomorrer." Bert the Troll - The Hobbit
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Michael
Warrior
256 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 08/16/2007 5:44 PM |
| Thanks, Zyla. It would be a shame to see this fate befalling DDM.  | |
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 08/16/2007 6:47 PM |
| WTF?
OK - 4.0 had me pissed, but this has me REALLY pissed.
Hey WotC - FYI - all throughout 2nd Edition, I didn't buy a single rulebook, sourcebook, or accessory. I own almost a complete collection of AD&D/3.0/3.5 stuff. Looks like I'll be skipping 4.0 and DDM 2.0 altogether.
Oh, more bad news. I DM. None of my players will be using 4.0 either.
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MAURIZIO
Sergeant
960 Posts
Lima, Perú
| | 08/16/2007 9:01 PM |
| the same here! New rules? I don´t like this.
I hope this is a wrong info, in other way I dont want to spend my money in this game (RPG and skirmish) anymore. | |
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Dungeon of Dread Called Shot: Cockatrice.
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WakeXX
Warlord
10152 Posts
Edinboro PA
| | 08/16/2007 10:46 PM |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 08/16/2007 10:49 PM |
| Please calm down people..... lets wait to see what WoTC want to show us..... Im sure that this problem have solution....
Only be pacient  | |
Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :(
Some day I will be back in board | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/16/2007 11:37 PM |
| | hmmmm... boycott.. right. Most people will be yelling and be against it, but soon as it hits the streets, the angry people will be among the first to buy. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai.  I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Sean-Khan
Commander
2731 Posts
| | 08/16/2007 11:50 PM |
| Posted By Michael on 08/16/2007 5:05 PM
For me, it's to early to react that way. Re-stating old minis could be great in terms of diversity in tournaments.
Of course, Wizards shoul re-do EVERY mini released before Unhallowed and send the cards to their customers instead of expecting everyone to print them.
Could you please tell me about Mage Knight? I don't know what it was/is.
I agree. I want to see where this is going. But I don't expect WotC to send cards to people... just to make stat cards. But realistically, large majority of current figs never sees miniatures -play. But this really could be a way to recost old figs... but then again, it feels already difficult to choose what to play with current amount of figs 
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Alamanther's comeback
Sneak
168 Posts
Denmark
| | 08/17/2007 12:54 AM |
| I don't like the whole being knocked back to square one thing - a lot of campaigns go right down the drain because they are built around the plethora of 3.5 supplements that loyal consumers have paid GOOD MONEY for. Even if the information on campaign settings in the book is compatible, the various spells, prestige classes, and feats surely won't be. And this is what riles me. They've supported 3.5 in a huge way with supplements, supplements that many of us have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on, and it is so easy to feel that that money is wasted now that Wizards no longers supports the format.
As for the minis, I will say that they lose none of their RPG value - but I doubt Wizards will go to too much trouble to update 1st edition minis to the 2nd edition... I can imagine it will be something like: the WotDQ large green dragon can be used in place of the new starter large green dragon, using the new starter large green dragon's stat card. | |
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Zyla
Underboss
1201 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 1:36 AM |
| | Alot of figures from Bloodwar, WoTDQ, and Wardrums are still used, but are not sets that will get a upgraded state card. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 08/17/2007 1:45 AM |
| | I'm opting for a "Wait and see" approach. DDM 2.0 won't greatly affect me as I haven't played the skirmish game in months. They may make changes that drive away some customers but many new ones may come around. My mini's will maintain their RPG value to me no matter what. So I'm not too concerned. | |
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/17/2007 4:15 AM |
| Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/16/2007 11:37 PM
hmmmm... boycott.. right. Most people will be yelling and be against it, but soon as it hits the streets, the angry people will be among the first to buy.
Sadly you're right. Same reaction with the cancelation of Dungeon & Dragon mags.
It would be nice if everyone who made threats like that actually followed through with them. If that happened, maybe, just maybe, it would make some kind of difference.
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WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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Zoons
Underboss
1067 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 4:36 AM |
| A barking dog seldom bites. For most people the cathartic reaction of yelling out their knee-jerk reaction and the idle threatening makes them feel better. Once they feel better, they continue do do what they have always done. Since they've never made a blink dog anyway, I say the older stuff is garbage and needed replacing.
I do think this is a threat to end skirmish as we know it, but I don't think the skirmish part of the game ever grew to the level WotC wanted. I'm guessing it has been getting less resources and attention internally (Hence the rules problems and obvious editing gaffs) as a result. If it was a choice to re-make or just dropping support of the game, they made the right choice. May have just prolonged the inevitable or may have revived a game on life support. | |
Never teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/17/2007 4:41 AM |
| | Why do I have this image of thousands of gamers walking over to the nearest window, opening it, and yelling "I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE" | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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XAos
Underboss
2413 Posts
London
| | 08/17/2007 5:04 AM |
| Posted By Zyla on 08/16/2007 5:14 PM
When this happened, Wizkids (who said they would never do set rotation) basically said all 1.0 figures (which was the original mage knight) would no longer be tournament legal, the major changes where this:
Then 6 months later, they removed the 1.0 figure ban and released a booster set that had a updated selection of previous 1.0 figures updated to 2.0, at this point Mage Knight was discontinued and died.
You got that back to front, they released mageknight 2.0 & promissed that 1.0 would still be tournament legal.
A couple of months after the release date, it turned out that some of the old MageKnight 1.0 were vastly stronger than the new figures. And armies with combos of a few new figures & lots of old figures were winning the tournaments. So Wizkids promptly banned the 1.0 figures.
Banning the 1.0 stuff a couple of months after they promissed that they would not do so. Essentially killed the game.
I suspect that ddm 2.0 will survive or die depending on how well WotC keep their promise to release stat cards for the popular/playable ddm 1.0 figures. | | | |
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Arandae
Sergeant
713 Posts
UK
| | 08/17/2007 5:26 AM |
| Posted By Star on 08/17/2007 1:45 AM
My mini's will maintain their RPG value to me no matter what. So I'm not too concerned.
That is true - but how happy RPGers are that their minis are retaining their RPG value will probably depend on what edition they want to play and how fussy they are about the exact representation of the creatures.
4e MM I will have new pictures, and some or many creatures (and hence corresponding minis) will get new looks. (This has already happened with the Troll - there's a thread about that on hordelings and a picture of the new Troll, which looks nothing like the 3e one.)
Essentially, the minis produced so far are 3e MM I minis, and from Dungeons of Dread we will get 4e MM I minis, some of which will look very different. Similarly, the creatures not yet made from 3e MM I which don't make it into 4e MM I wil not appear on future set lists.
This may not bother some people, but it annoys me that many of my minis won't look right in 4e if I switch, and I may not get many more singles from DDM sets if I stick with 3e as they won't look right in that setting.
The big selling point of DDM to RPG (which reduced its costs massively), is consistency with product. Making minis that match the creatures in the monster manual was (in my opinion) the big lure, and the reason why I (and I'm sure many others) went for DDM, rather than mixing and matching minis from half a dozen different companies.
Consistency with product was already slipping with silly scaling mistakes, but that now pales into insignificance compared to making bigger changes to the way creatures look. Then I might as well just buy minis from Reaper that don't look like the creatures do in my campaign setting, as the DDM ones won't look right either.
Of course, WotC can do whatever they like with their own product - I don't hold the view that they particularly 'owe us something'. But it annoys me, and I think it's a dumb idea to mess around with their biggest selling point (consistency of look) just at the time they are facing renewed competition from other companies making cheap pre-painted plastic minis. | |
Champion of the Bodak.Knight of the Aboleth.Squire of Gnomes. Friend of (Non-Ugly) Fey.
Anti-Champion of the Fozzie Bugbear Strangler (Demonweb 32/60).
Called Shots- Blood War: Green Slaad (53/60), Night Below: Kuo-Toa Whip (55/60),
Demonweb: Aboleth, Feywild: Fire Beetle,
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Alamanther's comeback
Sneak
168 Posts
Denmark
| | 08/17/2007 6:47 AM |
| I actually like the new troll. I like that it has hair, I like that it has a huge nose as opposed to merely a large one. It looks mean (the troll, not the nose). However, it is not so radically different that it invalidates the troll slasher, I'd say - conceptually, they are pretty much the same. If changes to monsters are no more emphatic than this i can deal with it - mini representation with older minis can reflect variations. Just look at how much variation there is within the human race. Isn't it plausible that some trolls are stockier, have bigger jaws, and fatter noses? Maybe the new mini can represent a particularly powerful male...
I hope that some of the newer concepts make of for the slips we've seen in 3rd edition. Maybe the new manticore will actually look like a lion with a human face rather than a leopard with a leopard's face? There may come something good out of this new edition yet. | |
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Star
Sergeant
978 Posts
New Britain, CT
| | 08/17/2007 6:57 AM |
| Posted By Arandae on 08/17/2007 5:26 AM
That is true - but how happy RPGers are that their minis are retaining their RPG value will probably depend on what edition they want to play and how fussy they are about the exact representation of the creatures.
I'm old. I used to use M+M's for monsters. The 3.0 Troll looks more like the 4.0 troll than a green M+M does - so it's still an improvement for me.
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6843 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/17/2007 6:57 AM |
| | I will boycot DDM 2.0 as well as D&D 4.0 | |
"Look to God and live." Alma 37:47
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Dordledum
Commander
3463 Posts
Netherlands
| | 08/17/2007 7:16 AM |
| Posted By Corim Danex on 08/17/2007 6:57 AM
I will boycot DDM 2.0 as well as D&D 4.0
After they got all bugs out of it and have released D&D 4.5, I might change system. But I'm probably going to quit playing DDM Skirmish after DOD.
The new Troll does look pretty though, so I'll continue collecting, maybe a bit more selective.
D.
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stephengroy
Underboss
1440 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 08/17/2007 7:32 AM |
| Wizards closed my Boycott thread -- nice!
Customer is always right indeed!
If backwards-compatibility for all pieces is not provided, I'm sticking with original DDM.
How many Chainmail minis never got DDM Cards?
Er, lots! | |
Waiting for Chainmail Equivalencies since 2005
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/17/2007 7:42 AM |
| Posted By Zoons on 08/17/2007 4:36 AM A barking dog seldom bites. For most people the cathartic reaction of yelling out their knee-jerk reaction and the idle threatening makes them feel better. Once they feel better, they continue do do what they have always done. Since they've never made a blink dog anyway, I say the older stuff is garbage and needed replacing.
I do think this is a threat to end skirmish as we know it, but I don't think the skirmish part of the game ever grew to the level WotC wanted. I'm guessing it has been getting less resources and attention internally (Hence the rules problems and obvious editing gaffs) as a result. If it was a choice to re-make or just dropping support of the game, they made the right choice. May have just prolonged the inevitable or may have revived a game on life support.
Blink Dogs and another one of my faves, a LG flying saucer from 1st edition... Who knows what I'm talking about?
And by the way, the pictures in 3rd edition looks horrible for many of the monsters out there.You want to talk about stupid? Compare AD&D's MM with 3rd edition. Look at the Tarrasque, look at the ogre, ogre mage, troll, anything... TSR had more talent and a lower budget than WotC paid for their garbage. And then compare Orcus, the potbellied redneck demon, with 3rd edition's buff Orcus? What a joke! Orcus is the epitomy of sloth and gluttony! | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/17/2007 7:44 AM |
| Posted By stephengroy on 08/17/2007 7:32 AM
Wizards closed my Boycott thread -- nice!
Customer is always right indeed!
If backwards-compatibility for all pieces is not provided, I'm sticking with original DDM.
How many Chainmail minis never got DDM Cards?
Er, lots!
98% of Chainmail never got DDM compatible. Most people seem to forget this point. | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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ShadowLord XT
Commander
2646 Posts
Plane of Shadow
| | 08/17/2007 8:02 AM |
| Try this:
Go around your house and figure out the age of the appliances in your house. Do they all still work? Probably. Are they more than 5 years old? Chances are one of them is.
So they might not be the newest model, but they work just fine. | |
Disipline is the only way to overcome chaos.
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Knight of Golems
"This world is made for love and peace" - Trigun
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 08/17/2007 8:38 AM |
| Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/17/2007 7:44 AM Posted By stephengroy on 08/17/2007 7:32 AM
Wizards closed my Boycott thread -- nice!
Customer is always right indeed!
If backwards-compatibility for all pieces is not provided, I'm sticking with original DDM.
How many Chainmail minis never got DDM Cards?
Er, lots! 98% of Chainmail never got DDM compatible. Most people seem to forget this point.
A lot more DDM.
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Wolfgang
Warlord
6637 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 08/17/2007 8:45 AM |
| | DDM 2.0? what a crock like they don't make enough money now thanks WOTC your awsome!!! | |
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Zoons
Underboss
1067 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 8:54 AM |
| Posted By ShadowLord XT on 08/17/2007 8:02 AM
Try this:
Go around your house and figure out the age of the appliances in your house. Do they all still work? Probably. Are they more than 5 years old? Chances are one of them is.
So they might not be the newest model, but they work just fine.
That's a pretty bad example. Most household appliances are designed now to need replacing in 7-10 years. By that comparison, DDM is ahead of the pace, but D&D is right on schedule. I do not want designed obselescence in my RPG either. I realize that the modules are consumable, and that expansion and suppliment need keep both sales and interrest clicking forward, and I'm all in favor of capitalism, but to exploit consumerism as a whole is kind of a slap in the face.
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Never teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.
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Cheddar Bearer
Warrior
298 Posts
| | 08/17/2007 9:01 AM |
| Interesting not playing the minis game the card changes effect me less. The changing of the concept of the monsters will prove incredibly irritating. If it is minor tweaks to backgrounds or other fluff fine, but if they start doing serious changes on some of the big monsters that will be incredibly frustrating. I don't want to have to get rid of all my kobolds because they have decided they want to go in a new direction with it.
They whole new editions thing is also getting ridiculous. How long since 3.5? It is almost as bad as the rate Games workshop used to bring out new editions. In fact I may even go so far as to say it is worse. The only thing you need to update to a new edition of whichever Warhammer game was the new rule book and your new army book top cost £35.00. 3.5 Core books alone cost me £70 not to mention all the stuff I have bought since. I am not saying I won't give the new edition a chance but it is going to have to impress the pants off me for me to want to spend all over again. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 08/17/2007 9:10 AM |
| Yeah, I'm taking a wait and see attitued on this one.
I've liked every edition of D&D they've put out so far, been playing since it was sold in fancy colored box sets. They all had their strengths and weaknesses but all along they held on to the core elements of the game, it was still D&D. In theory that should hold true for this new edition, although I see a lot of influences from the online MMORPGs and other sources taking 4.0 to strange new places.
I want to see some of the substantive changes first, not just the corporate polish and gimicks though. | | | |
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Ryoga
Underboss
1124 Posts
Coquimbo - Chile / Italia
| | 08/17/2007 9:15 AM |
| Posted By stephengroy on 08/17/2007 7:32 AM
Wizards closed my Boycott thread -- nice!
Customer is always right indeed!
If backwards-compatibility for all pieces is not provided, I'm sticking with original DDM.
How many Chainmail minis never got DDM Cards?
Er, lots!
Closed!!! what a h.....
Ok thats bad.....
V the la revolucion!
RYOGA
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Dealing with new life... new country and life without DDM :(
Some day I will be back in board | |
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Kaya Kenobi
Underboss
1304 Posts
San Jose, California
| | 08/17/2007 9:21 AM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 08/17/2007 8:38 AM Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/17/2007 7:44 AM Posted By stephengroy on 08/17/2007 7:32 AM
Wizards closed my Boycott thread -- nice!
Customer is always right indeed!
If backwards-compatibility for all pieces is not provided, I'm sticking with original DDM.
How many Chainmail minis never got DDM Cards?
Er, lots! 98% of Chainmail never got DDM compatible. Most people seem to forget this point. How many chainamil minis were produced as opposed to how many DDM minis are out there? How much Chainmail was still on shelves when DDM came out as opposed to how much of the current DDM will be on the shelves when the new version comes out? A lot more DDM.
Chainmail has been around longer than DnD... Chainmail has been around since the 60s? And along the line how many chainmail minis are there? In the few hundred? It's an ugly thought, warhammer still has more minis than DDM and chainmail combined and it hasn't really changed in all the time it has been around except for the updates it keeps doing. So... What's WotC missing? They're consistent when it comes to making major changes to games every year or so... | |
Just a simple traveler from the swamps of Dagobah otherwise known as Florida. Also known as Hurricane Alley!
I always try to send through delivery confirmation, and I expect the same. It's only 55 cents extra, so it's just a little more than a pay phone call, so just do it for the Kai. I prefer to trade with people in the US and Canada, sorry everyone else.
http://www.maxminis.com/Forums/tabid/104/forumid/53/postid/655406/view/topic/Default.aspx - references | |
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/17/2007 11:47 AM |
| Since I don't really give a rat's buttocks about skirmish, I have no plans to "boycott" the DDM line. I don't, however, anticipate purchasing nearly as many minis as previously (I already have too many).
If they change the scale from 1"=5' (which is already problematic in several cases) then I won't bother boycotting...I'll just spend my money elsewhere with no intention of attempting to change WotC.
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Champion of Dwarven Thunderlashers
Knight of the Large Dire Chicken
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The Great
Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/17/2007 11:50 AM |
| | For me a boycott is irrelevant as I haven't been buying since Blood Wars anyway. Since then my money has been going towards other hobbies. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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mickey mouse
Warrior
237 Posts
Victoria, Canada
| | 08/17/2007 12:10 PM |
| If they're re-stating old figs, that good!! But if they banning or retiring figs, that's bad, VERY BAD !!
Look at what happend to MK, Hero clix, and soon to be D&D!!
Well, I guess they don't like to earn money anymore...... | | | |
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scruffydude7
Underboss
1196 Posts
Rock Hill, SC
| | 08/17/2007 12:24 PM |
| Posted By jacksonm on 08/17/2007 9:10 AM
...although I see a lot of influences from the online MMORPGs and other sources taking 4.0 to strange new places.
Ick, I sure hope not. I have not played a single MMORPG that I have really liked from in terms of combat systems and game mechanics. Not even DDO.
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Champion of the Revenant
Knight of the Elf Duskblade
Complete Trades: Oni, Kidkach, Melrune, callidusx3 | |
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Master of the
Awesome Sauce
Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/17/2007 8:57 PM |
| I have to say this, I don't like this trend. I have a lot of Figs, and as a pillar of my gaming community, I will be watching this very closely. DDM is my personal favorite game, and if it gets screwed, I'll be mad. Most of you have seen me defending 4E, because I like the ideas. Well, I'm not some WotC drone. This has me seriously riled up.
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Icons Called Shot: Gargantuan Prismatic Dragon
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