RedSkullz
Warrior
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Northern Ontario
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| Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/17/2007 9:21 AM Posted By jacksonm on 08/17/2007 8:38 AM Posted By Kaya Kenobi on 08/17/2007 7:44 AM Posted By stephengroy on 08/17/2007 7:32 AM
Wizards closed my Boycott thread -- nice!
Customer is always right indeed!
If backwards-compatibility for all pieces is not provided, I'm sticking with original DDM.
How many Chainmail minis never got DDM Cards?
Er, lots! 98% of Chainmail never got DDM compatible. Most people seem to forget this point. How many chainamil minis were produced as opposed to how many DDM minis are out there? How much Chainmail was still on shelves when DDM came out as opposed to how much of the current DDM will be on the shelves when the new version comes out? A lot more DDM. Chainmail has been around longer than DnD... Chainmail has been around since the 60s? And along the line how many chainmail minis are there? In the few hundred? It's an ugly thought, warhammer still has more minis than DDM and chainmail combined and it hasn't really changed in all the time it has been around except for the updates it keeps doing. So... What's WotC missing? They're consistent when it comes to making major changes to games every year or so...
Actually i believe he is talking about the D+D chainmail skirmish game released in 1999 (?) Chainmail had 4 sets and a total of 104 minis (i think 104)
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/17/2007 9:31 PM |
| Posted By RedSkullz on 08/17/2007 9:01 PM
Actually i believe he is talking about the D+D chainmail skirmish game released in 1999 (?) Chainmail had 4 sets and a total of 104 minis (i think 104)
Many of which were remade as DDM pieces, but never received the accompanying sanctioned equivalencies.
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 08/18/2007 4:13 AM |
| Okay guys, I'm at GenCon (as is LCS) and I can't keep a watchful eye on everything. So, a couple points.
1) I've posted some comments on the upcoming changes in another thread already. I've got more coming.
2) Keep comments about WotC civil.
3) People need places to air grievances, and even talking about a boycott can be part of that. But, let's all keep cool--leave the pitchfoks in the tool shed and the torches unlit.
Thanks.
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XAos
Underboss
2413 Posts
London
| | 08/18/2007 7:06 AM |
| Personally I find the idea of waiting 8 months to see ddm-2.0 annoying. How about we all boycott 1.0 to get WotC to produce 2.0 early  | | | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 08/18/2007 8:17 AM |
| Posted By XAos on 08/18/2007 7:06 AM Personally I find the idea of waiting 8 months to see ddm-2.0 annoying. How about we all boycott 1.0 to get WotC to produce 2.0 early  
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joedj
Skirmisher
35 Posts
olympia
| | 08/18/2007 8:31 AM |
| Probable(?) change to DDM 2.0 shows the futility of being a collector-player. A collection other than from an esthetic standpoint has the potential for a large drop in monetary value and, more significantly, a significant loss of play value. I view the play value as the greater loss, since it may become more difficult to find players with 1.0 armies, thus my armies gather dust (reminiscent of Mage Knight 1.0 transition to 2.0). I've enjoyed the DDM rules so far, I hope to enjoy the 2.0 rules as well, though I'll know to target specific pieces only in my purchasing.
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The Red Light District
| | 08/18/2007 9:30 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 08/18/2007 4:13 AM Okay guys, I'm at GenCon (as is LCS) and I can't keep a watchful eye on everything. So, a couple points. 1) I've posted some comments on the upcoming changes in another thread already. I've got more coming. 2) Keep comments about WotC civil. 3) People need places to air grievances, and even talking about a boycott can be part of that. But, let's all keep cool--leave the pitchfoks in the tool shed and the torches unlit. Thanks. Dave
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/18/2007 11:22 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 08/18/2007 4:13 AM
3) People need places to air grievances, and even talking about a boycott can be part of that. But, let's all keep cool--leave the pitchfoks in the tool shed and the torches unlit.
But, but, but....I've been sharpening pitchfork tines for years for just such an occasion. And the villagers were coming along so nicely with their chanting and their "angry mob" marching order....
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Pedro
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3926 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 08/18/2007 11:37 AM |
| | I'm going to wait to see precise detials and then I will quit, because I have put so much money into it and all these changes are going to ruin it, as it seemes. Still, hope dies the latest | |
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BoloBaby
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640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 08/19/2007 2:40 PM |
| Posted By Pedro on 08/18/2007 11:37 AM I'm going to wait to see precise detials and then I will quit, because I have put so much money into it and all these changes are going to ruin it, as it seemes. Still, hope dies the latest
I made this point in another thread, but it bears repeating:
Skirmishers: why buy ANY minis from now until you see the new rules? Any minis you buy are REALLY for a game you haven't seen!
Seriously. What if the new skirmish game sucks? You are holding a boatload of minis that were designed (really) to be used in 2.0. Do you think many players will still be playing 1.0? Some will hold on, but many will give up in disgust. I can *guarantee* that the vast majority of casual collectors and players at my FLGS are going to stop collecting DDM when they find out there are new rules coming out. The diehards will focus their efforts on 2.0 and the competitive environment. Meanwhile, you *loath* 2.0 and can't find many players willing to play a nice 1.0 game.
If you want minis for RPing, then buy individuals on eBay. What purpose does buying cases of random crap serve now? If the value plummets because the new game tanks, you will be left with garbage when you could have cherry-picked what you wanted on eBay in the first place.
Back to my original point:
MINIS FROM THE NEXT COUPLE OF SETS ARE
a) For a game that is going to become obsolete
OR
b) For a game for which you haven't seen the rules
What kind of moron invests tons of money in minis for a game they haven't even seen yet?
(Take note of the "Skirmishers" qualifier above. Also, RPGers, take note of the cherry pick strategy... which some of you already do. But hybrid types (RPG/Skirmish) should ONLY cherry pick if they want anything at all.)
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| | 08/19/2007 7:51 PM |
| Posted By BoloBaby on 08/19/2007 2:40 PM Posted By Pedro on 08/18/2007 11:37 AM I'm going to wait to see precise detials and then I will quit, because I have put so much money into it and all these changes are going to ruin it, as it seemes. Still, hope dies the latest I made this point in another thread, but it bears repeating: Skirmishers: why buy ANY minis from now until you see the new rules? Any minis you buy are REALLY for a game you haven't seen! Seriously. What if the new skirmish game sucks? You are holding a boatload of minis that were designed (really) to be used in 2.0. Do you think many players will still be playing 1.0? Some will hold on, but many will give up in disgust. I can *guarantee* that the vast majority of casual collectors and players at my FLGS are going to stop collecting DDM when they find out there are new rules coming out. The diehards will focus their efforts on 2.0 and the competitive environment. Meanwhile, you *loath* 2.0 and can't find many players willing to play a nice 1.0 game. If you want minis for RPing, then buy individuals on eBay. What purpose does buying cases of random crap serve now? If the value plummets because the new game tanks, you will be left with garbage when you could have cherry-picked what you wanted on eBay in the first place. Back to my original point: MINIS FROM THE NEXT COUPLE OF SETS ARE a) For a game that is going to become obsolete OR b) For a game for which you haven't seen the rules What kind of moron invests tons of money in minis for a game they haven't even seen yet? (Take note of the "Skirmishers" qualifier above. Also, RPGers, take note of the cherry pick strategy... which some of you already do. But hybrid types (RPG/Skirmish) should ONLY cherry pick if they want anything at all.)
Or option 3, which a lot of the DDM sales actually are. RPG use. I would bet more sales go to RPG than skirmish. And in the end, that drives price more than skirmish viabiliy. Case in pont:
Stirge Vs. Duergar Champion.
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BoloBaby
Sergeant
640 Posts
Fort Mill, SC
| | 08/19/2007 9:08 PM |
| Teflon Jeff,
With all due respect, I thought I qualified - quite clearly - that I was talking about skirmishers. Seriously.
Even for RPGers, though, you are probably MUCH better off cherry picking the pieces you want on eBay. (As I mentioned.)
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Corim Danex
Warlord
6843 Posts
West Valley City, Utah
| | 08/19/2007 9:08 PM |
| Posted By Teflon Jeff on 08/19/2007 7:51 PM
Stirge Vs. Duergar Champion.
Well, I don't see any skirmisher needing more than 5 duergar champions. The uncommon distribution in WotDQ was more like a rare than a typical uncommon. The boosters were more expensive also, resulting in fewer boosters purchased. Also, RPGers could make use out of more than 5 stirges if they could get their hands on them. I heard people wanting 8-16. Granted, practicality caused many to settle for less.
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dagonet
Sergeant
442 Posts
| | 08/19/2007 10:06 PM |
| As a veteran of Mage Knight's disastrous transition from 1.0 to 2.0,
the lesson I took away from the whole sad experience was this:
What a company promises you (in terms of compatibility, improvements,
mechanics-changes, etc.) before they overhaul a game-line is not
necessarily what you'll end up getting. Assurances aside,
promises aside, you'll get what you're given, and that's that.
Cheers,
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XAos
Underboss
2413 Posts
London
| | 08/20/2007 2:32 AM |
| Posted By dagonet on 08/19/2007 10:06 PM
As a veteran of Mage Knight's disastrous transition from 1.0 to 2.0,
the lesson I took away from the whole sad experience was this:
What a company promises you (in terms of compatibility, improvements,
mechanics-changes, etc.) before they overhaul a game-line is not
necessarily what you'll end up getting. Assurances aside,
promises aside, you'll get what you're given, and that's that.
Cheers,
Dagonet
The behavior we got from Wizkids on that subject, killed Mage-Knight dead.
So I'd hope the games companies learnt something from that, and know they can't get away with that attitude to their customers.
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 2:56 AM |
| Posted By XAos on 08/18/2007 7:06 AM Personally I find the idea of waiting 8 months to see ddm-2.0 annoying. How about we all boycott 1.0 to get WotC to produce 2.0 early
ARRGH no !
Since DoD has UNCOMMON mummy and G-cube, I can't boycott it !!!
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Skirmisher
5 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 5:48 AM |
| Well for my own part I don't see how I would be so stupid that I would take up buying 2.0.
Despite what WoC previously promised they have just taken away the usage I could have from almost all my minis from the release of 2.0 and on.
I don't see that I would be so stupid to have any trust in that WoC would not do it again to me within 2-3 years after the release of 2.0...?
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TLorin
Sneak
80 Posts
Madison, TN
| | 08/20/2007 6:10 AM |
| Maybe it's just me, but it seems the market for DDM has been getting softer for a while now, and I can only think this change will steepen the decline. Sure, the chase pieces (the Large Black particularly, and some others) have been going for more than their share, but many of the other rares from the newer sets (and even many in the older sets) have been settling at a price lower than they've been since I started playing 2 years back. I just finished 100 auctions last night and even many of the good pieces went for much less than I had hoped. (Disclaimer: It could be because many were at Gencon, definitely my poor planning on scheduling the auctions; however, with those folks learning the news of DDM 2.0 before most, it might be that it wouldn't have mattered and that I got them on the market before an even steeper loss).
I've been slowly stepping out of both D&D (disillusioned and happily playing Shadowrun now) and DDM (I really like DDM, but can't find any players). Unlike many of the pitchfork wielders who will probably continue playing, you can pick up many of my books cheap here:ÂBuy Me!
I'm not disgruntled at Wizard's and completely understand their rationale and the fact that they are in business. If they can fix the problems inherent in 3.5 (and they said they were addressing both Christmas Trees and the small 'sweet spot' of levels in 3.5, both of which were my main issues with the current system) I wish them luck. But echoing many others, I am much more inclined to wait until 4.5 to purchase the new system. If they are making this announcement now and releasing in May 2008, they haven't done nearly enough playtesting to warrant putting faith in the thought that 4.0 will be a well-developed system. As someone who bought the 3.0 core books and then 5 months later bought the 3.5 core books, I'm not likely to throw my money away again until I do a lot of review on people's reactions to it. I will also never get on the splatbook rollercoaster again and will stick to core rules+homemade content, but that is just personal preference.Â
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Pale Rider
Underboss
1023 Posts
London, Ontario, Canada
| | 08/20/2007 7:23 AM |
| So everyone missed the part that says they will be issuing card updates for the most popular figures played in tournamments? And you're boycotting something without ever seeing even one line of actual rules? Do your knees hurt when you jerk them like that?
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10493 Posts
United States
| | 08/20/2007 8:23 AM |
| *Looks around*
"Not many pitchforks or torches."
*whistles*
I think that the RPG value of the pieces from the first 10 sets or so will continue to keep the prices fairly stable for some of the pieces. Some, like the Cleric of Order, which currently have a decent skirmish value, may fall. Heck, the value may fall considerably. But, who knows? Markets are fickle.
I don't think I'll unload my collection just yet. However, I did just get back from the Con and I do have a pocketful of Black Robed Raistlins I may have to unload. And, from what I understand, there's at least a chance the figures from the most recent sets will get 2.0 cards....
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Ghendar
Warlord
13099 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 08/20/2007 8:25 AM |
| Posted By Vrecknidj on 08/20/2007 8:23 AM
 However, I did just get back from the Con and I do have a pocketful of Black Robed Raistlins I may have to unload.
Dave
How plentiful were those Dave? Sounds like they were distributed pretty freely.
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Android
Skirmisher
20 Posts
| | 08/20/2007 10:12 AM |
| I purchase DDM figures for RPG purposes only, thus the cards really have no value for me. I have a huge pile of them stuck in boxes...
As a customer, I'm not interested in 4.0. I've been playing since first edition, and I skipped most of 3.0 (Player's Handbook/DM Guide only) and have a full set of 3.5 stuff. Even the latest Monster Manuals I've stopped picking up because the formats are so screwed up. Can I jump up and down and yell and cry? Nope. What I can do is stop buying. That's what I did with Dreamblade. The last set I bought into caused the game to go in the toilet and I stopped enjoying the game. When they stop producing figures that I can use with 3.5, I'll stop buying. The new troll for instance, looks kind of cool, but I've already got all the trolls I need...
Wizards is like any other company out there. If they can't "grow the brand" then they aren't showing a return to their stock holders/owners. The days of a business "doing the same old" are gone, and by "re-inventing" the wheel every few years they refresh their market. Think of it this way, five years ago everyone said "3.5? WTF? Not a chance." Now what does everyone play? Yup, 3.5. In five years they'll be talking about 5.0 and a different group will be pissed off.
Businesses react to one thing, the bottom line. If their product isn't selling they'll react to change it. If you don't like how a business works, take your money elsewhere (Reaper is probably going to LOVE this change...) If the hit is big enough then Wizards *might* change their mind. Maybe.
Do I think Wizards is making a mistake here? Yes.
Will I stop buying figures? If they stop being useful in my 3.5 games, yes.
Will I "upgrade" to 4.0? No.
Message sent.
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Gryfalia
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| | 08/20/2007 10:56 AM |
| Posted By mickey mouse on 08/17/2007 12:10 PM Look at what happend to MK, Hero clix, and soon to be D&D!!
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Sector 2814
| | 08/20/2007 11:28 AM |
| Posted By BoloBaby on 08/19/2007 9:08 PM
Teflon Jeff,
With all due respect, I thought I qualified - quite clearly - that I was talking about skirmishers. Seriously.
Even for RPGers, though, you are probably MUCH better off cherry picking the pieces you want on eBay. (As I mentioned.)
I understand that. But any boosters you could buy now, are more than likely going to be 2.0 legal. Also, as I said, the skirmish market is almost secondary to the RPG market. But with a reboot, perhaps they can finally reverse that, and get more players into the skirmish game. As Davesaid, quoting Ian as well, there is a big chance for explosive growth here. | |
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
287 Posts
Alaska
| | 08/20/2007 11:46 AM |
| Posted By Star on 08/17/2007 6:57 AM Posted By Arandae on 08/17/2007 5:26 AM
That is true - but how happy RPGers are that their minis are retaining their RPG value will probably depend on what edition they want to play and how fussy they are about the exact representation of the creatures.
I'm old. I used to use M+M's for monsters. The 3.0 Troll looks more like the 4.0 troll than a green M+M does - so it's still an improvement for me.
I have to say I agree here. I can remember a time when, if you wanted a red dragon for instance, you would head down to the FLGS and buy whichever dragon caught your eye (from a couple of different metal mini lines) and paint it red. The concept of many monsters having a 'set' look and feel was a 3.0 thing. I could care less if they change the looks of the critters and I'm impartial on the DDM 2.0 because I rarely skirmish, but I am concerned about having to shell out $90+ on new RPG books. I simply can't afford that at this time and probably won't be buying into 4th ed. untill I can find some $$$ and lower prices on the secondary market. | |
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Nyarlathotep333
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Alaska
| | 08/20/2007 11:54 AM |
| Posted By PaSquall on 08/20/2007 2:56 AM Posted By XAos on 08/18/2007 7:06 AM Personally I find the idea of waiting 8 months to see ddm-2.0 annoying. How about we all boycott 1.0 to get WotC to produce 2.0 early ARRGH no ! Since DoD has UNCOMMON mummy and G-cube, I can't boycott it !!! Â Â
Yeah, it does seem kinda funny that they are producing the next set with so many popular 'gotta-have-them' minis in it on the heels of these announcements... G. Cube, Umber Hulk, Troll, Mummy... Ahh, well. I'm mainly buying them for RPG purposes anyways.
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 08/20/2007 12:28 PM |
| Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 08/20/2007 11:54 AM
Yeah, it does seem kinda funny that they are producing the next set with so many popular 'gotta-have-them' minis in it on the heels of these announcements...
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
287 Posts
Alaska
| | 08/20/2007 12:39 PM |
| Posted By zenthrus on 08/20/2007 12:28 PM Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 08/20/2007 11:54 AM
Yeah, it does seem kinda funny that they are producing the next set with so many popular 'gotta-have-them' minis in it on the heels of these announcements...
Not so much 'funny' as good marketing strategy
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| | 08/20/2007 3:20 PM |
| Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 08/20/2007 12:39 PM Posted By zenthrus on 08/20/2007 12:28 PM Posted By Nyarlathotep333 on 08/20/2007 11:54 AM
Yeah, it does seem kinda funny that they are producing the next set with so many popular 'gotta-have-them' minis in it on the heels of these announcements...
Not so much 'funny' as good marketing strategy
Yeah, I meant funny in a 'keep the customers hooked' kind of way. 
Yeah, if the set is as awesome as the spoilers show, I think a lot of people will be hooked... | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3938 Posts
USA
| | 08/20/2007 3:45 PM |
| As I said elsewhere Re: DDM 2.0: New rules.
New challenges.
New meta.
New figures and abilities.
New game.Â
New and hopefully more players.
Woot!
And its still DDM.
I'll play.
Of course I am chomping at the bit to see the new DDM 2.0 also and can;t wait to learn more.Â
Re: DnD RPG:
I have not played DnD in 2+ years (since group kinda went different ways  ) and I have a ton of 3.5 books. I currently do not use these books and cannot afford to replace them with 4.0.Â
But I will give the 4.0 system a chance at next years GenCon.Â
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| Posted By Pale Rider on 08/20/2007 7:23 AM
So everyone missed the part that says they will be issuing card updates for the most popular figures played in tournamments? And you're boycotting something without ever seeing even one line of actual rules? Do your knees hurt when you jerk them like that?
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Chairman7w
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484 Posts
| | 08/22/2007 8:46 AM |
| Posted By BoloBaby on 08/19/2007 2:40 PM What kind of moron invests tons of money in minis for a game they haven't even seen yet?
It's a game.
Buy 'em, play 'em. Or don't.
But to "invest" in the hope of making money is a fool's errand.Â
Regarding 2.0, and boycotting, and all that... "What if the new game is really good?"
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Zoons
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| | 08/22/2007 9:06 AM |
| Plus DDM has said from the beginning that they do not even consider the secondary market when making their decisions. Yet another reason to view it as a poor investment for investment's sake. It's an investment in entertainment. As such, it should be viewed as entertainment, a consumable that should be purchased (or not purchased) with DISPOSABLE income.  Lose the sense of financial entitlement and the game will be much more fun. | |
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| | I completely agree, When I bought these minis, I knew the minis would last for as long as I had them, but their uss would change. RPG was the initial impetus, then skirmish, not completion, and eventually, sentientality for the old, and whatever for the new. I'll still use the old for RPG, and I may cut back on some of the duplicates I don't need (once I see the all star list) but heck, I even use them to play chess (Humans vs Wolves!!) | |
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Vrecknidj
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10493 Posts
United States
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| Posted By Ghendar on 08/20/2007 8:25 AM Posted By Vrecknidj on 08/20/2007 8:23 AM
 However, I did just get back from the Con and I do have a pocketful of Black Robed Raistlins I may have to unload.
Dave How plentiful were those Dave? Sounds like they were distributed pretty freely.
But, people involved in events had better luck. I received one for playing in the championship, for instance. So, there's 110 figures right there.
Dave
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 08/23/2007 3:34 PM |
| | My worst fear is that they will dumb the game down and make it suck. I'll see what they have to offer and then decide but already what I've heard sounds kinda dorky. | |
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stephengroy
Underboss
1440 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 08/24/2007 1:20 AM |
| | Um, New Coke What? | |
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Underboss
2413 Posts
London
| | 08/24/2007 2:28 AM |
| Posted By Turboman on 08/23/2007 3:34 PM
My worst fear is that they will dumb the game down and make it suck. I'll see what they have to offer and then decide but already what I've heard sounds kinda dorky.
They seem to have "simplified" the game to make it easier to impliment as a computer-moderated game.
Think "Vassel" but with software that rejects actions which break the rules (exceeds movement speeds, ranged attack without LoS etc) And may do some of the dice rolls automatically.
The inevitable risk with this, is the resulting game may be too simple to be worth playing. We won't be sure if that has happened until May-08.
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Turboman
Warrior
212 Posts
| | 08/24/2007 3:32 PM |
| | Great, it's becoming Pokeminis. | |
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Teflon Jeff
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7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 08/24/2007 3:53 PM |
| Sounds a bit like FF tactics.
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