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Vrecknidj
Warlord
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ares71
Sergeant
448 Posts
Central Illinois
| | 11/13/2007 2:41 PM |
| Overproduction | |
Completed Trades: drowdude, brooklynknight, Xikilm, King CroMag, VultureDoodle, Captain Harlock, Cha0tic g0od x2, Stabmastaarson, Kritter, Son of Cyric, Shadow Lord, ckissee, cavedweller, Trilistria, LabMonkey, qillan_dvra, Lady-Bast, agcooper1, Dwarven Emperor + dozens more (newest in system) | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 11/13/2007 2:42 PM |
| | That would be my guess as well. | | | |
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xuthal
Sergeant
649 Posts
Boulder, CO
| | 11/13/2007 2:48 PM |
| They are certainly hard to resell. I picked up a Red and a Black when I bought a huge DDM lot this summer and I ended up trading them away for a pittance after they collected dust for a while. I did get an additional $20 in cash toward postage for the red, but still it was hard to find anyone who wanted them. I kept a Blue for myself and have since ordered the White from Auggies for $20, but I wouldn't bother picking up any in the hope of resale or trade. In my opinion it just wasn't worth it...
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Idzy
Commander
3082 Posts
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
| | 11/13/2007 2:55 PM |
| | From the start they have been over priced compared to comparable items like the McFarlane Dragons. And sadly they still have not learned from their mistakes as the price increase on the Blue and White Dragons has shown. | |
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Olaf the Stout
Sergeant
404 Posts
Adelaide, Australia
| | 11/13/2007 3:10 PM |
| Personally I like the Gargantuan Dragons but I can't justify buying one at their current price.
My D&D game is at 10th level at the moment and it has taken 1 1/2 years to get there. It would take another year at least to get the PC's up to a level where they would face a dragon of that size. And when they finally did, they Dragon would probably only see a couple of sessions of use.
This means that I am basically using it as a display piece. I'm not prepared to pay that much for it just to be put on display. If the price comes down a little more (i.e. people are clearing them out) I might think about it. I really like the look of them, but I still wouldn't buy one at their current price.
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stephengroy
Underboss
1440 Posts
Tempe AZ Beeyotch
| | 11/13/2007 3:27 PM |
| I'd like a Blue to go with Black and White, but already have the map from the DoD poster. I cannot justify the price, but would be more than happy to trade for one!
As for Big Red, his map's not even skirmish legal!
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 11/13/2007 3:38 PM |
| | Also I don't think it helps that the Dragons from what I have heard or can tell are near unbeatable in their skirmish scenarios. | | | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3964 Posts
Adelaide
| | 11/13/2007 3:49 PM |
| Black's ,map not skirmrish legal map either [):]Â or white for that matter.
The only dragon I didnt but was the Blue, and we dont get those nice posters with maps on here {pout} But I think they are overpriced. They were just acceptable on preorder price. And the quailty is not obvious for the price espically the Red and it's imfamous 1000 paint steps of red.
I also dont think there's enough difference between them in skirmish, not costed well enough and illegal for Epic battle so there is a part of the market gone. (though we are having dragon brawls tomorrow night at shop - mostly they just are too look at RPG or Skirmish) The white is very nice though. The best of the lot espically consdering Drizzt and Wulfgar with it.
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That same ad shows two for one star ship battle boosters. I'd probably get some at that price.
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Lord_rock
Underboss
2045 Posts
Portland OR
| | 11/13/2007 3:59 PM |
| | They are very niche unfortunately... and many people like the Macfarlane dragons better if they are only using them for RPG (or other cheaper dragons), and in skirmish they are very non-viable... so they are a product without a market currently... They are getting better quality (see big blue and icing death) but just when I saw how good icing death was macfarlane put out his ice dragon who pretty well puts icingdeath to shame... | |
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Nobody Important
Sergeant
718 Posts
| | 11/13/2007 4:04 PM |
| With the "Buy One get One Free" I'm assuming that you'd be paying FULL MSRP for the first one. I don't know about everyone else but I picked them up at something a little better than 30% off (presumably everyone made money at that price) so getting two may offer some savings but not too much.
I also guess the "sale" is an attempt to see how much interest there may still be in the dragons as well as a chance to get rid of some excess inventory. | |
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Sirohk
Commander
3939 Posts
USA
| | 11/13/2007 4:45 PM |
| I have not had to buy one yet. Well, actually I used gained stroe credits to get the Gargantuan Blue, otherwise I have won all of the others (Red, x2 Blacks, and White) in tournaments. Lucky me.Â
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Thenameless
Warlord
12541 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 11/13/2007 6:31 PM |
| | They are expensive when compared with what McFarlane gives you for the same price, but then again it's also nice to have the official business. At two-for-one, it makes me wish I'd waited. | |
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Teflon Jeff
Warlord
7908 Posts
Sector 2814
| | 11/13/2007 8:12 PM |
| | They are nice for display, but I agree, hard to sell. I have two of each, but more for looks than any use. I do figure I'll use them a lot long term (20-30 years more of gaming, perhaps more) but mostly, not a good investment. But man, they look nice and intimidating on a desk at work. | |
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Cthulhufnord
Warlord
11114 Posts
Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 11/13/2007 8:13 PM |
| | I was not a fan of the Red and Blacks rearing poses. By the time the blue came out I had lost interest in the line. | |
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Shottglazz
Underboss
1184 Posts
Quinte West, Ontario, Canada
| | 11/13/2007 8:20 PM |
| | I guess I'm the only one stoked by this...I only have the white, so getting the black and blue for the price of one sits well with me... | |
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Completed trades ( 53 ): Pikel, Darrell x2, JeffDHarvey, BiggPappa001, Ghendar, Valinrook X2, Wolfgang x4, Wraithborne x6, Mr Ruffles, Anothermullen, CKissee x3, Browns_Scoundrel, Kyrin, GuJiaXian x2, Tyngfumv, Basic_Aim, Mickey Mouse, Berus316, Crisisman, Zoons, Rockfrd, Sterling40 x2, Brucemc, 2007 Magical Mystery Trade, Redskullz x2, Stephengroy, Lyus_Sleyden, Foolforthought, 2008 Magical Mystery Trade, Kilsek x4, Generic Fighter, Auric, Relientkitten x3
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Ghendar
Warlord
13116 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 11/14/2007 3:51 AM |
| It's a decent deal but I agree with the others that they (especially the red) are overpriced when compared to comparable product.
I bought an Icingdeath (only the dragon and the map) from Auggest but that's it. | |
WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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PaSquall
Underboss
1399 Posts
| | 11/14/2007 4:38 AM |
| | As Cthulhufnord, not fan at all of the rearing poses (dragons are quadrupeds after all), and not much use in RPG for me (if at all...) I'd only buy them if I found a very cheap price. | |
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berus316
Sergeant
663 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 11/14/2007 5:08 AM |
| I've got all 4 so far, will continue to collect any others that come out.
I like the line, will probably never use any of them in rpg but they make great decorations and I like them.
MF dragons are nice enough looking but they aren't "DnD" dragons.
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Anaxagoras
Warrior
318 Posts
| | 11/14/2007 6:42 AM |
| Posted By berus316 on 11/14/2007 5:08 AM
I've got all 4 so far, will continue to collect any others that come out.
I like the line, will probably never use any of them in rpg but they make great decorations and I like them.
MF dragons are nice enough looking but they aren't "DnD" dragons.
well said. I'd also add that McFarlane isn't producing a line of gaming books to go with them dragons, either
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Gryfalia
Sneak
107 Posts
| | 11/14/2007 6:54 AM |
| Using three of them (all but the white) and the Fin Fang Foom from Heroclix I have 'Dragons Playing 3-Dragon Ante' on display in the front window of my store..;-)
It gets lots of looks.
They sell..slowly. I have one of each myself because I like dragons..;-) | |
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Choco Monster
Ghendar
Warlord
13116 Posts
Mud Lick, Kentucky
| | 11/14/2007 8:48 AM |
| Posted By Gryfalia on 11/14/2007 6:54 AM
Using three of them (all but the white) and the Fin Fang Foom from Heroclix I have 'Dragons Playing 3-Dragon Ante' on display in the front window of my store..;-)
haha That's awesome. I'd love to get a Fin Fang Foom, but at that price? Yikes!
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WotC - making me wish more and more every day for a return to the TSR days. :(
I fought the snark and the snark won. I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!
Some of my favorite Maxminis quotes
I actually love to be swallowed. - Posted By gss_000 on 09/04/2007 2:32 PM
Could somebody explain Snatch to me? I understand the basics, but not how to enter/use it. - Posted by orcmonk220
G's the man. - Posted By greyhaze on 11/11/2008 8:58 AM
I dont mind butting heads every once in a while. It makes thing interesting. Thats why I'd be heartbroken if Ghendar ever left - Posted By Count Dooku on 04/03/2006 11:58 AM
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zenthrus
Warlord
5132 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 11/14/2007 2:07 PM |
| Fin Fang Foom is might spendy 
I picked up the gargantuan black, blue, and colossal red. After watching them sit essentially useless I decided against getting the gargantuan white. Gargantuan/Colossal minis are just too niche/one-shot to justify having more than one for RPG (frankly, I can use the 25-lb turkey as a proxy for anything else colossal) and skirmish-wise they're essentially useless (except for exhibition matches). | |
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Krush
Commander
4052 Posts
| | 11/15/2007 1:03 AM |
| I bought the White just to get Drizz't. The white is great fig as it does a great job in keeping my chichuchua in check. He submits to it! It also looks cool with Drizz't in it's mouth and Wulgar in a claw. :P
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Michael
Warrior
256 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 11/15/2007 1:44 AM |
| I love the icons line and hope they keep them coming. So far I bough all of them. But Icingdeath was the only one I pre-ordered straight away. Usually it pays of to wait some time, since I got my red for 20 $, while blue and black were around 15.
They are very hard to use for the RPG, but when my group first encountered the red dragon, .... wow, why didn't I have a camera running?!
...of course I left them an option to escape without fighting. ;)
I can hardly wait for them to be able to take on a gargantuan (white) dragon, though. This will be an awesome fight.
Seven players in the group with a sorcerer level 12, fighter 13, barbarian 13, cleric 13, druid 10, paladin 12 and fighter 10/cleric 3. The dragon would be CR 19. Hmm...... :)
Other than for the RPG, the dragons are lovely for casual DDM games.
Speaking of the Icons: Any official word about Gargantuan Orcus? It's still listed on amazon.com for march 2008.
I'd love to hear how Icingdeath sold and wish for wizards to come to the conclusion, that the addition of "bonus" minis really helps to raise the profit.
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