Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
    
Adelaide
 | | 11/22/2007 3:02 PM |
| So, in a light hearted manner, I think we should have a called shot for DDM 2 errata.Â
Seeing how we get the the new rules well ahead of time, we may possibily get errata when it is released in print with Dungeons of Dread.
Probably better to do words than pages (roughly 350 words to a page) to give more of a range.
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Vanrulzz: 1,200
Vrecknidj: 777
Warchanter: 17,500
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Wraithborne:Â 3,650
Xaos: 4,500
Zenthrus: 15,689
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MarioCleanstuff
Warrior
271 Posts
San Diego, CA
| | 11/22/2007 5:36 PM |
| | I'll go with a nice, conservative 1750. | |
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warchanter
Warrior
344 Posts
Italy
| | 11/22/2007 6:41 PM |
| Uh... 17500, more or less  . Oh, and prepare yourself for a new, merry batch of misprinted cards and maps!
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Ryoga
Underboss
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Colombia - Bogota / Italia
| | 11/22/2007 6:51 PM |
| | About 1300 | |
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Michael
Warrior
207 Posts
Sydney, Australia
| | 11/22/2007 9:55 PM |
| | I think they will notice any possible unclearity and adjust the rule book accordingly. ;) So no errata at all until Dungeon of Dread minis join the fun. | |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 11/23/2007 5:00 AM |
| Posted By Michael on 11/22/2007 9:55 PM
I think they will notice any possible unclearity and adjust the rule book accordingly. ;) So no errata at all until Dungeon of Dread minis join the fun.
Seeing as how Guy was consistently ignored when he brought up problems with wording by the current regime, I doubt very seriously that they'll fix anything ahead of time. I'm going with 3,650. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3099 Posts
Netherlands
| | 11/23/2007 5:30 AM |
| Posted By Michael on 11/22/2007 9:55 PM
I think they will notice any possible unclearity and adjust the rule book accordingly. ;) So no errata at all until Dungeon of Dread minis join the fun.
no offence, but... a bit naive?
I'll go for a whopping 3967 words (who's gonna count them if the errata are pdf only?).
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Sirohk
Commander
3714 Posts
USA
| | 11/23/2007 6:15 AM |
| 5 pages of errata before Dungeons of Dread. Therefore 1895 words of errata.Â
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XAos
Underboss
2358 Posts
London
| | 11/23/2007 6:18 AM |
| | I'll guess over 12 pages, say 4500 words. | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
9946 Posts
United States
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zenthrus
Commander
4592 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 11/23/2007 1:08 PM |
| At the expense of sounding cynical, I'd guess somewhere in the ballpark of 15,689 words.
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Dagaron
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138 Posts
Indiana, USA
| | 11/24/2007 1:54 PM |
| I'm confused?
Aren't they releasing the rules to us so far ahead of time so that they can make changes before the actual release?
It was my understanding that the actual release of Dungeons of Dread will have changes based on what we find between the "early release" time and the actual release.
If above is the case, I don't think they'll have more than a page maybe two tops of errata.. so I'd say something like 500 words. | |
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Thenameless
Warlord
8476 Posts
The Fortress of Solitude
| | 11/24/2007 4:07 PM |
| Posted By Dagaron on 11/24/2007 1:54 PM
I'm confused?
Aren't they releasing the rules to us so far ahead of time so that they can make changes before the actual release?
It was my understanding that the actual release of Dungeons of Dread will have changes based on what we find between the "early release" time and the actual release.
If above is the case, I don't think they'll have more than a page maybe two tops of errata.. so I'd say something like 500 words.
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 11/25/2007 2:11 PM |
| @Dagaron: I hope that is true, (though no officially stated afaik) and I'm sure that releasing the rules early will make for stronger rules knowglede once DoD2 is out.
I guess I expect the new rule book to be printed and possibly packed into boxes by the time we get the early release, and any changes will either be an insert, or online corrections.
The guesses of 500 would be close to normal errata found in a booster insert.
The few thousand pages would be like an artilce of more on the new rules to clarify, like with Night Below.
The 15 thousand guess is more like the mangus opus of the Guy lead errata booklet.
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IMO too its better to get these rules early and have errata early if needed :|
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| | 11/27/2007 1:09 PM |
| | 3800 | |
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Luisjoey
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1703 Posts
Caracas Venezuela
| | 11/27/2007 5:44 PM |
| | 4575 words | |
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Raland
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| | 11/28/2007 4:16 PM |
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| | 12/08/2007 12:20 PM |
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Raland
Sergeant
866 Posts
| | 04/10/2008 4:13 PM |
| Since we got the first official errata document, I thought it was time to revisit this. Counting the words now
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/DDM_ErrataFAQ.zip | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 04/10/2008 4:42 PM |
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66k zipped.. we all might be wrong by a long way....
I got 6,702 which I think makes you the winner Raland | |
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Wraithborne
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| | 04/10/2008 5:09 PM |
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 04/10/2008 5:21 PM |
| Wow, big shocker here, the errata already needs errata.
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Pedro
Commander
3775 Posts
Czech Republic
| | 04/11/2008 7:54 AM |
| | Grats, Raland! You got it! | |
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SkYlyn3
Warrior
222 Posts
Williamsburg, Virginia
| | 04/12/2008 8:36 AM |
| 3650
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Wolfgang
Underboss
2326 Posts
Milton, Ontario Canada
| | 04/12/2008 10:13 AM |
| | good job ral man | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 04/27/2008 8:31 PM |
| Posted By SkYlyn3 on 04/12/2008 8:36 AM
3650
And I hope they change the rules on insubstantial.
Is that the word count of the errata of the errata or a call for recounting the original word count? (I just copied and pasted into word before, so _may_ be erranous)
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And I hope insubstantial is changed. | |
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Pedro
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Czech Republic
| | 04/28/2008 12:52 AM |
| | Why is insubstantial so problematic? is it because it does not function on criticals? | |
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Llarbal
Skirmisher
32 Posts
| | 04/28/2008 8:16 AM |
| please don't tell me you wanna go back to the old ' insubstantial'Â rules:-). Unless you have that special D20 that rolls ABOVE 11 on an incorporeal roll.
I think insubstantial works fine the way it does now. Not a single problem I can think of. | |
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Bert the Troll
Commander
3754 Posts
Adelaide
| | 04/28/2008 5:07 PM |
| I didn't say it had a problem. I said I'd like it changed back, 'cause i don't like how it now works.
You might as well just give double HPs to the mini as it stands.
The chance of sometimes getting more than a double HPs from it, or less than double HPs, was the fun in picking those creatures. Sure, its easier to design or warband build when you have definite numbers to crunch instead of probabilities, but I like variance in game play.
I didn't think it was too hard, bad or had problems as it was. | |
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Dordledum
Commander
3099 Posts
Netherlands
| | 04/29/2008 4:14 AM |
| I like the old incorporeal better than the current insubstantial. It feels better to have a 50% miss chance, than doing half damage.
Incorporeal: I see a ghost, hit it, my weapon goes right through.
Insubstantial: I see a ghost, hit it, my weapon hurts it, but not as much as I expected.
I think insubstantial is the new Damage Reduction if you see it from this point. Imagine trying to damage an insubstantial creature when enervated, hardly possible.
I agree with Bert, if you wanna give a creature double hp, do so, and don't beat about the bush.
D.
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XAos
Underboss
2358 Posts
London
| | 04/29/2008 10:03 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 04/29/2008 4:14 AM
I agree with Bert, if you wanna give a creature double hp, do so, and don't beat about the bush.
D.
I disagree, the potential synergy between Incorporeal & Healing would be totally lost if you just gave them double hit points.
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Wraithborne
Commander
3427 Posts
West Virginia
| | 05/01/2008 8:30 PM |
| Posted By XAos on 04/29/2008 10:03 AM Posted By Dordledum on 04/29/2008 4:14 AM
I agree with Bert, if you wanna give a creature double hp, do so, and don't beat about the bush.
D.
I disagree, the potential synergy between Incorporeal & Healing would be totally lost if you just gave them double hit points.
Being able to Heal Incorporeal creatures (and undead in general)Â is just wrong on so many levels. | |
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