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This topic keeps on popping up in a few of our other threads. So I'm curious, have any Maxminis Members bought singles from Paizo?
Here's what the CEO said about the pricing, taken from Olaf the Stout's post.
The prices on paizo.com are true market prices. About every month or so, I look at the mini sales. If a mini is just sitting there and not selling, I drop the price a bit. If the mini is selling out quickly, then I bump the price up a bit. If it seems to have steady but unremarkable sales, then they price stays where it is. In this way, the market forces of supply and demand on paizo.com dictate the prices for the minis. I don't bother comparing our prices to any other website or eBay. They are strictly driven by whether somebody is wiling to buy a miniature for the price listed here. So the prices are set by our customers. I think that is a pretty fair and democratic way to sell singles. :)
-Lisa
I myself have not bought any singles through them, there's lots of options out there on both Ebay and other online stores. It seems curious to me then that their prices have stayed as high as they are. | |
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Shottglazz
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| | 12/04/2007 10:03 AM |
| | I voted no - it's due to their ridiculously high prices that I don't... | |
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Wolfgang
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| | 12/04/2007 10:05 AM |
| | i to also voted no | |
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yack
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| | 12/04/2007 10:18 AM |
| | ya it's a no vote from me also... the prices are just way to high. But I have bought other things from them. | |
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wicked cool
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| | 12/04/2007 10:22 AM |
| | i would never buy a ddm single from them. Those prices are high even for commons never mind rares. ive shopped ther and bought other stuff such as battlemats. | |
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| | 12/04/2007 11:14 AM |
| | too high prices! | |
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jacksonm
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| | 12/04/2007 12:24 PM |
| | I prefer to do my purchasing locally when I can but yeah I'd never buy from them, way too expensive. | | | |
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| | 12/04/2007 12:27 PM |
| Posted By greyhaze on 12/04/2007 12:20 PM
Why buy from there when there is AUGGIES!
What he said. I've only ever bought but a handful of singles, and always from auggies.
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kritter
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| | 12/04/2007 2:08 PM |
| i wouldn't pay their outrageous prices
customers dictate prices my eye | |
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mazra
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Canton, GA
| | 12/04/2007 2:22 PM |
| Hi kritter and everyone,
Agree! Prices are way too high at Paizo. The best way to know the real value of a DDM is to look at a number of closing auctions on Ebay, and not the "Buy It Nows" which are a retail pricing.
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kritter
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| | 12/04/2007 2:27 PM |
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Bert the Troll
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3858 Posts
Adelaide
| | 12/04/2007 2:28 PM |
| Can the word democratic really be used in relation to supply and demand ... hmm :|
I'm sure an actual democratic process would leave cheaper prices for the majorty... who wouldn't vote for cheaper.
Its seems more unfair as it is based on customers ignorance of the entire marketplace, or is that fair way for a company to use customers lack of knowlegde.
Note imo Paizo certaintly has the right to sell what they want for how much they want. But I'm sure glad they dont have a monoply of the minis market.
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Its also hard to swallow that minis like an unbagged Drizzt at 180 USD are selling so steadily that they go up in price instead of down as claimed by Paizo. I call porkie pies on that. Or Unicorn for 75 USD.
Dont look at other markets for guide *cough* | |
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| | 12/04/2007 4:31 PM |
| Posted By kritter on 12/04/2007 2:27 PM
that's Yeenoughu he's my idol
That works on so many levels
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Tobus Neth
Skirmisher
46 Posts
| | 12/04/2007 4:52 PM |
| Paizo has Demogorgon listed for $70.00-E-bay buy it now $17.95, You gotta a freakin wooden head to pay those prices as listed. | | | |
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Rakhamon
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309 Posts
| | 12/04/2007 4:53 PM |
| | I loved their magazines, but their webshop has... rather insane pricing. No from me. | |
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| | 12/04/2007 5:15 PM |
| | I buy other stuff from 'em, but they can stuff their minis. | |
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The Fortress of Solitude
| | 12/04/2007 6:08 PM |
| Maxminis members are certainly a more savvy bunch when it comes to DDM values, than the rest of the general public. This forum was, after all, primarily used for DDM trading during its infancy.
I can understand Paizo charging a little more because of their strong brand name, but that Aspect of Demogorgon example by Tobus Neth shows more than just a little inflation. | |
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VFults
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104 Posts
| | 12/04/2007 6:16 PM |
| I don't like their prices. EBay has all the DDM I could want at a fraction of the cost.
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The Fortress of Solitude
| | 12/04/2007 7:09 PM |
| | Gotta love that score. 27 to nothing. And, to answer the question, I've never bought any DDM from the Paizo online store. The lure of online shopping, besides convenience, is usually better prices. All of our local brick and mortar stores have lower prices for singles. | |
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zenthrus
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4836 Posts
SLC, UT
| | 12/04/2007 7:41 PM |
| | Nope. I've purchased several other items from Paizo (at reasonable prices) but never DDM singles. There are too many quality sellers with substantially better prices (Auggie, Ahubb, Sun City Games, spikegif to name a few). | |
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Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 12/04/2007 11:14 PM |
| It's funny, prior to hearing about their inflated DDM prices I'd never visited their site. In checking it out I've found some pretty nice metal minis I'm considering ordering now. 
DDM singles though..... no way. | |
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jacksonm
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River City
| | 12/05/2007 8:34 AM |
| | Yeah, they have some rather nice metal minis and other things. In the area of DDM they've always been way off. | | | |
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Corim Danex
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West Valley City, Utah
| | 12/05/2007 8:57 AM |
| | Unless they change their pricing, I won't ever buy any singles from them. | |
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Richard II
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| | 12/05/2007 9:09 AM |
| Out of curisosity, which topic was that quote in the original post taken from? I'd like to read more about these people that think $50 pit fiends are market value and priced to sell. In the end though, if their target market is the people with more cash than brains, I can't blame them for selling their stuff for the most money they can.
Although it does seem that they've reduced some of their prices. The last time this came up I think I noticed that they had Zombie White Dragons priced at $60 and now they're down to only $20. | |
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ransom
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| | 12/05/2007 9:19 AM |
| | I can not believe that they are selling many minis for the prices that they have listed. Possibly there are RPG'ers that have never looked into Auggies---but come on---everyone knows about ebay and any internet search engine that you use to find D&D minis will give you multiple sites with better prices. I can only think that there are a few people out there that are buying from Paizo as a "one stop shop"---supplements, books, all those Gamemastery products are priced very well--why not pick up a mini or two to go with that latest module???? | |
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Nyarlathotep333
Warrior
283 Posts
Alaska
| | 12/05/2007 10:52 AM |
| | I agree with the folks here...WAAAAAYYYYY too high on the DDM singles there. I've bought back issues of Dragon magazine there a few times though. | |
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Olaf the Stout
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| | 12/05/2007 2:36 PM |
| Posted By Richard II on 12/05/2007 9:09 AM
Out of curisosity, which topic was that quote in the original post taken from? I'd like to read more about these people that think $50 pit fiends are market value and priced to sell. In the end though, if their target market is the people with more cash than brains, I can't blame them for selling their stuff for the most money they can.
Although it does seem that they've reduced some of their prices. The last time this came up I think I noticed that they had Zombie White Dragons priced at $60 and now they're down to only $20.
For anyone that is interested, here is the actual messageboard thread that I got my quote from:
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/dnd/archives/dDMinisAreTheyReallyWorthThat&page=1
Lisa's post is about 2/3's down the page.
Also, add me to the list of people that haven't bought any D&D minis singles from Paizo. I've ordered other stuff from them, just not DDM singles.
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zoroaster100
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873 Posts
| | 12/05/2007 8:39 PM |
| | I have never bought DDM from them due to their absurdly high prices. I love Paizo's Dungeon Adventure Paths and now their Pathfinder publication and thus have fondness for Paizo as a company, but I can't imagine anyone buying almost any of their singles miniatures unless the customer is uninformed about the other options out there on the internet for lower prices. | |
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ScruffyRanger
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| | 12/06/2007 4:00 AM |
| | I purchased in total 4 Sorcerer on Black Dragon repaints at about 1/5 of the price they are listed for on eBay. As for paying $9 for a Winter Wolf... BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the booster price!!@#!! I say thanks for the Dragons but they can keep their democracy. | |
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Umass Amherst Baby!
| | 12/06/2007 5:57 PM |
| | Oh yeah, those were pretty resonably priced were they not. That was part of some sort of Dragon Magazine promotion was it not? | |
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The Fortress of Solitude
| | 12/06/2007 6:52 PM |
| Posted By Cthulhufnord on 12/06/2007 5:57 PM
Oh yeah, those were pretty resonably priced were they not. That was part of some sort of Dragon Magazine promotion was it not?
Yes, it was. | |
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Olaf the Stout
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Adelaide, Australia
| | 12/06/2007 8:37 PM |
| Here is the latest thread on Paizo with someone complaining about the price of their minis.
Tobus Neth wrote: When comparing your Prices to the going e-bay rate, your prices are almost four times the cost!(Demogorgon is going for $17.95 buy it now e-bay-Paizo is $70.00 why is this?
Lisa Stevens, Paizo CEO wrote:
Hey Tobus: When you are setting prices for anything collectible, there is no standard price or MSRP. The price is set by supply and demand. As somebody said earlier in the thread, if nobody wants to buy a mini at the price that it is currently at, then I lower the price until it starts to sell. If it is blowing out the door at a current price, then the price goes up a bit. Our prices have fluctuated dramatically over the course of our existence. If you had bought the Dragoneye Drizz't back in 2004, you could have had him for $20. Now, he goes for over $100 and we can't keep him in stock! I don't set my prices based on what other folks are selling minis for. I set them based upon the supply and demand here on paizo.com. And believe me, our prices must be good for some folks, since I have a hard time keeping them in stock! There is an adage in retail sales that you can pick two of the following things to be competitive with: selection, customer service, and price. We picked the first two. There are places everywhere on the web where you can get pretty much anything we sell for cheaper than we are selling it at! But can you get the selection that we have here? And will you get the great customer service that we are known for? If price is really important to you, then paizo.com isn't where you want to shop. But if selection and great customer service are more important, this is your home. -Lisa
The actual thread is here if you are interested:
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizo/customerService/store/youReallyNeedToLowerYourDDMiniaturePrices&page=1#351091
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realmaster
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| | 12/06/2007 8:54 PM |
| | I voted no but then I remembered that I bought a dragon subscription to get a SoBD repaint and then canceled so does that count as a DDM single purchase? ;) | |
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Olaf the Stout
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| | 12/06/2007 9:11 PM |
| Did you actually receive any issues of Dragon or did you cancel before even the first one arrived? Olaf the Stout | |
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lingster
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| | 12/07/2007 4:06 AM |
| | True. I voted NO, but then I did get the repaint dragon... so technically... yes. | |
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Dordledum
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| | 12/07/2007 4:11 AM |
| Posted By lingster on 12/07/2007 4:06 AM
True. I voted NO, but then I did get the repaint dragon... so technically... yes.
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D.
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Richard II
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3663 Posts
| | 12/07/2007 6:09 AM |
| | The dragoneye drizzt for 20 dollars eh? | |
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Dordledum
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Netherlands
| | 12/07/2007 6:23 AM |
| Posted By Richard II on 12/07/2007 6:09 AM
The dragoneye drizzt for 20 dollars eh?
Dragoneye?
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| | 12/07/2007 7:16 AM |
| Posted By Dordledum on 12/07/2007 4:11 AM Posted By lingster on 12/07/2007 4:06 AM
True. I voted NO, but then I did get the repaint dragon... so technically... yes. Ditto, D. | |
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