Posted by rrrrupp 12/14/2007 7:35 AM
Wow, you need to calm down buddy.

Posted by rrrrupp 12/13/2007 9:24 AM
I'm getting very sick and tired of the crappy results. Maraut? Duergar Champion? King Snurre? I could go on...

Too many idiots are voting based on current stats instead of sculpt and style of play.

By rrrrupp
Snurre was crappy because of his point cost, which won't be changing.
Stat to cost ratio. Who cares if the orc warrior or doogie champ are great units now. The stats will change.

By rrrrupp 12/14/2007 7:35 AM
I'm sure there's more from both lists, that's all I could think up for now. People are entitled to their opinions as long as they aren't ill-founded.

Posted By Kat_Dawg33 on 12/14/2007 10:30 AM


Nah, I'm not really all that worked up. I just didn't like the insinuation of your post.



And it seems like your reasoning against the Duergar Champion contridicts your reasoning against King Snurre.



So you don't want Doogie because he's boring and you don't care for his sculpt. And those that liked playing him shouldn't vote him in because these will change and there is not guarantee that this piece will still be good. OK, that's valid. But, why can't someone vote Snurre in, in hopes that his new stats might better represent his cost? Wouldn't it be reasonable for someone to vote for a cool, unique giant and hope for this?



Nope, people are entitled to their opinions even if they are ill-founded. But really, who's to say what is ill-founded?

And just to paint you a picture of where I'm coming from: I'm not mad or offended. I just didn't think your use of the word idiot was appropriate. And I think this conversation would be a lot more fun with wings and beers.

Gary

Posted By rrrrupp on 12/14/2007 7:35 AM

Posted By Kat_Dawg33 on 12/14/2007 12:55 PM


I still don't have any great enthusiasm to vote, so maybe I won't. But if I choose, what method shall I use...?

Gary

Posted By mazra on 12/15/2007 7:29 AM

I vote for the minis that are the most valuable now (closing sell price at auction on Ebay).  That is the only true measure I know to work with. .

Posted By XAos on 12/15/2007 10:24 AM

Personally I vote for the figures which look "cool" on the game board.
Sure, I could play ddm with miss-shapen brown/black lumps of plastic {wrackspawn, Dooagar} But I would be better off playing with 1/4-inch squares of cardboard.
So I vote for the minitures I think are well sculpted/painted {Couatl, Chimera, Champion of Elistrae}

Posted By maijstral on 12/12/2007 3:43 PM
Vote or die- P.Diddy


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Why is that relevant, Are you planning to give up playing & sell your collection.???

Or do you want to keep the price high so that you will have to pay a lot for the figures you don't have.
If the latter is true, I suggest you just bid really high for the current figures. I'm sure the traders will be happy to sell.

Posted By mazra on 12/15/2007 6:20 PM

 But I do like to know that my collection has value.  Don't you? Â

Posted By XAos on 12/17/2007 4:23 AM
Not especially, Since I'm not planning to sell;
To quote someone (Arthur C Clark I think) "A difference which makes no difference. Is not a difference."
So I really don't care what the "value" would be if I did sell.

And the cheaper the "good" minis are the easier it is to persuade new players to start collecting. So having all the "allstars" high-priced would be at least as much liability as advantage.

Posted By rrrrupp on 12/14/2007 1:27 PM
Hey, as long as you vote for creatures that appeal to you and not creatures that currently dominate the game, the wings are on me :)

Posted By mazra on 12/17/2007 5:11 AM
... whether you wish to accept this fact or not.  It is a fair way to determine the All Stars.

Posted By XAos on 12/18/2007 11:18 AM
I think we are going to have to agree to dis-agree on that.

Still looks to me as if your trying to vote that your collection has a high sale price on e-bay. And it's the buyers, not the sellers who get to "vote" those prices.

Posted By Teflon Jeff on 12/19/2007 7:37 AM

Posted By greyhaze on 12/20/2007 5:59 AM
They could have restricted it to people with DCI cards, since it's directly relating to skirmish.

Posted By greyhaze on 12/20/2007 5:59 AM
They could have restricted it to people with DCI cards, since it's directly relating to skirmish.

Posted By mazra on 12/20/2007 12:19 PM
I agree that that Allstars really should be for skirmish.  But if WOTC alters the effectiveness or comparable game play, then really what difference does it make?  What might be a great skirmish piece now, may stink in 2.0, and vice-versa.

Posted By mazra on 12/20/2007 7:39 PM
Hi Greyhaze,

Good point! But since WOTC is going to restat all the minis anyway, why shouldn't the Allstars be for the overall gaming communities favorites? It is RPG that drive DDM sales. That is a fact I am certain that WOTC does not forget. To alienate two-thirds of your customers is never a good business decision, and afterall they are a business.

And who is to say that WOTC will not make the Allstars sweet skirmish pieces anyway?

Later,

Mazra

Posted By greyhaze on 12/21/2007 4:55 AM
The RPGers are voting for their favourites, regardless of how that impacts a skirmish set of cards. If it's "skirmish all stars", it should have been contained within the "skirmish community". It's like Orcs getting to vote where the halflings live and there are 9,000 Orcs and only 3,000 halflings.

How could they alienate the RPG-ers if the polls concern a product not intended for RPG-ers? It's about friggin stat-cards, not whether there will be a production run with the actual minis. In that case I'd understand the RPG p.o.v., now I can't imagine why they'd vote.

D. 

Posted By mazra on 12/23/2007 8:43 AM
Hi Greyhaze,

You know I totally agree with you that WOTC from beginning should have restricted voting to DCI players. But reality is they didn't, and since every mini will get restatted, it just doesn't make much of a difference; and that's all I am trying to say. If WOTC was only going to restat the 60, then not only would your point be valid, but I too would be writing letters to WOTC complaining of their method. But since all the minis will get restats, what is the harm of a popularity contest?

Later,

Mazra

Posted By greyhaze on 12/23/2007 12:21 PM
It's a big deal to the skirmishers, they're feeling like they are getting figures that they don't want - however, you are right, what's done is done and we can't do anything about it. As for the validity of whether or not they are getting what they want, they also will disagree amongst themselves what the top 60 are, so in the end the results will be very similar.

Posted By Thenameless on 12/23/2007 1:07 PM
[Mazra,

Theoretically, it could matter which 60 come first.  This is morbid sounding, but an older skirmisher in poor health might not make it to the end of the re-statting.  Heaven forbid, there are also accidents.  Then there's the outside possibility of WotC breaking their promise of re-statting everything.

It's still nicer to be able to play the minis one wants at next year's GenCon Championship.