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12/16/2007 12:29 AM  

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Now think back to those wonderful times of 'opening new packs'.  The great smell of those packaging chemicals, the suspence of what could be inside.  Could they have messed up the distribution, and left me with 2 beholders in one case!!!  Hopefully I can pull the most expensive one like the huge red, so I can turn around and put it up for trade bait.  And the relief of fulfilling all those campaign needs (The horned devil gates in how many more devils?)

But whats getting in your way!  Why the following fairly crappy rares.  Please vote and we can figure out who is worst of the worst.Â





Remember how you felt back when they announced the reprinting of the minotaur?

It's not just any sorceror, its Silver!!!!

Paladin of just another humanoid.

War chanter, just another humanoid, and I could've pulled a Lord Soth or a Rakshasa.  Curse you war chanter!!!

Seriously, how often are you using samurai's in your campaigns and warbands.

Ok, a phoelarch, ever notice how this is in everyone's HAVE-To-Trade list?

Slayer of just another humanoid.

Will the sand giant use his slippery sword or hit me with his giant banana.

War Weaver, war chanter, yet another rinky dink humanoid figure as a rare.

Lillend, ah lillend, you are so very colorful, however you have no place in my warband with your cruddy hit points and AC, and no place in my campaign unless I throw you in some random encounter.

Ogre Executioner, booooorinnnnnng.  Now I need an ogre judge and an ogre jury.

Large White Dragon, this has to be absolutely in my opinion the worst rare of all time.  It is a sorry excuse for a dragon.  They should have taken the aspect of tiamat head and built on that.  This thing has a look on its face like its suffering from Rabbititis (Bugs bunny cartoon where elmer fudd sees spots).  It has some goofy looking turned down bird beak jaw.  And as a white dragon normally is, its all white, completely!  No splashes of yellow on the underbelly or tints of blue in the scales, nope it just a ball of white suck.  And as you might be able to tell at this point, this was the reason for my idea of this post.

Bar-Lgura, I really just picked one from the set I thought may not have much value and provide some disappointment were someone to pull one out.  I don't have any DoD rares yet, so my apologies if I should have had the fire archon, merc general, or werewolf champ here.  I'm just thinking, Bar-Lgura WTF!

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12/16/2007 1:03 AM  
Phoelarch is ugly.

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12/16/2007 2:02 AM  
Maybe not you, but some people do play in asian-centered campaigns.

I don't agree with you on several of your choices, of which I think are quite good miniatures. This is very subjective, everyone likes something else.

What would you want? No humanoids in all future sets?

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12/16/2007 5:35 AM  
Hi scallamander,

I actually do agree with many of your choices and your reasons. In looking back, I guess the Silver Sorcerer from DE was one of those, "Yuck, Why wasn't this a Large Red" kiinda moment. Eventhough, I like the half-dragons more now and would likely pick the Ambush Drake from Deathknell if it was in the list.

An interesting poll would be worst rare from each set, and then a pick of the overall worst rare to date chosen by the entire Maxminis community; because people do have differing points of view and taste. Some people may think the Ambush Drake is a warm and cuddly little guy, or an absolute must in their warbands. I just think it's ugly.

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12/16/2007 6:03 AM  
what happened to the Dromite Wilder?


the worst rare IMO, it's dromite...a what?, and i personally rarely use psionics, so its pointless

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12/16/2007 6:05 AM  
While I'm in agreement with some of those, Phoelarch and Sand Giant... I'm looking at you.  The Cleric of Kavaki is in my opinion the worst of the worst.  Elf Dragonkith is another of mine.  I personally liked the Slayer of Domiel and Ogre Executioner.  Large White Dragon is awesome!Â

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12/16/2007 6:15 AM  

yes of course this is very subjective.

and yes of course i don't have the time to do the poll the right way

but i found the poll/survey thing the other night in a thread, and i thought it would be cool to do

i like tons of humanoid figures, but why do they have to suck up the 'rare' portion of my booster box

well, dromite wilder is at least a dromite!, slayer of domiel is just another sneaky looking human

again, poll is very subjective, and i thought it would be fun to do.  i'd definitely vote early and often if someone were to do each set one by one, but i thought that may be a little overboard in terms of 'why you gotta be such a hater, wheres the love man' kinda thing for this great community :)

 

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12/16/2007 6:31 AM  

Voted for the Phoelarch as he was the worst choice from the list provided.  The Large White and Ogre Executioner are two solid Rares I looked forward to getting (unlike a Lilland, or Phoearch).Â

On the other hand there have been some other real stinker Rares.Â

Any chance to revise your poll and add an "Other" category?  If not the poll is what it is.Â

Thanks for posting.Â




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12/16/2007 6:49 AM  
From the list, I voted Phoelarc. I once had one, and just gave it away for free to someone who actually wanted it.

But for me, the worst rare is between Wizened Elder Watcher, Goliath Cleric and Valorous Prince.


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12/16/2007 7:15 AM  
I voted for the War Weaver based on the paint job. The mini didn't come close to doing justice to it's sourcebook picture.

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12/16/2007 7:21 AM  
i voted for the silver slug i have had NO use at all for him

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12/16/2007 9:47 AM  
Phoelarch is the worst of this list but Dromite Wilder certainly should be up there. They are both about the same level of suckitude.


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12/16/2007 9:57 AM  
I voted Bar-Lgura going by the thread titles use of disappointment and didn't notice the poll said worst until after. I expected many of the others to suck upon seeing their names. By the way, I love the Ogre Executioner and will gladly take anyone's unwanted ones...or Human Executioners or Torturers.

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12/16/2007 10:08 AM  

This was a very hard poll because most of the rares are really cool. There are TONS of rares worse than these. I had a hard time believing these were my choices.

 

The Ogre Executioner is probably the coolest looking Ogre mini ever. The Large Whire Dragon is impossible to trade for and I have still never seen one with my own eyes. The Lillend is also a piece of beauty despite being to big (large base is correct. Its just the mini on the base should be Yaun-ti Campion size). The Female PC minis (Paladin, Rogue and Sorcer) are female versions of PCs we have in small supply. The War Chanter is a BARD!! We have little to no bard minis. This list blows my mind.

 

Where is the craptacular woman on a sideways griffon??? How do you make a poll based on the worst rare of all time and not mention the Griffon Rider????

 

I chose the Bar-L'gura because the large sizer is so dissapointing. Thats all I could do based on this list of decent rares. 


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12/16/2007 11:07 AM  
I don't really think there are many poor choices on your list, let alone any I would vote for.

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12/16/2007 1:35 PM  
What happened to the Wizened Elder Watcher? That was pretty lame for a rare!

But, I think, the stirge was the worst rare of all time.*

*(I realize the stirge is not actually a rare, but trying to get them sure told me differently.)

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12/16/2007 2:09 PM  
If I were going to pick from this list, I would go with the Phoelarch. I don't care for the Dragon ro Dwarf Samurai either, but that's because they're just not my flavor, not necessarily because they suck.

I completely disagree on the LWD. He may not be a great sculpt, but he's good enough and his Ebay price sure seems to speak loudly for him.

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12/16/2007 2:13 PM  
Personally I wish they would put all the crappy minis as rares, so I could get more of the ones I want, which are usually rares of course. My choice is probably the silver sorcerer, half-dragons can look quite cool if done with slight changes to a humanoid but this one is over the top and I have never used it and probably never will. I only RPG so the mini game is no factor in my choice, only whether or not someone would use the mini in our campaign.

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12/16/2007 3:17 PM  
There are a few other undesirable rares that can be added to the list. Human Cleric of Bane, Skullsplitter, and Dromite Wilder to name a few.

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12/16/2007 3:51 PM  
An interesting poll would be worst rare from each set, and then a pick of the overall worst rare to date chosen by the entire Maxminis community; because people do have differing points of view and taste. Some people may think the Ambush Drake is a warm and cuddly little guy, or an absolute must in their warbands. I just think it's ugly.

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That's actually an interesting idea.

The problem with a poll to figure out the worst xxx is that people have different viewpoints of what makes a rare (or any other fig) good. Some people don't skirmish, so the warweaver is useless to them (I like him on Teleport temple with my ballista). Some people don't rpg, so they don't care about that awesome rpg piece with crappy stats, etc.

For me i'd probably go:

Har: Vadania
DE: Lion Falcon Monk or Silver Sorcerer
ArF: Human Cleric of Bane
GoL: Half Giant Psychic Warrior
Ab: Skullsplitter or Adventuring Wizard or Exorcist of the Silver Flame or Alusair Obarskyr or Flesh Golem
DK: Ambush Drake or Valorous Prince or Champion of Yondalla (speed 3!?! ick)
AnF: Phoelarch or Divine Crusader of Corellon
UD: To be honest, nothing from this set really strikes me as completely sucky.
WD: Warbound Impaler or Sand Giant
WDQ: Goliath Cleric of Kavaki or Wizened Elder Watcher or Dragonborn Fighter or Meepo, Dragonlord
BW: Lord of Blades or Howler
UH: Tsucora Quori (wtf is that?) or Van Richten (who?) or Wizard of Turmish or Pentifex Monolith
NB: Exarch of Tyranny or Shadowbane Inquisitor
DDe: Nothing really fugly jumps out at me here either.

My criterion for fugly had four parts:

1) Is it ugly/boring in appearance? (hence the various humanoids)
2) Is it skirmish useful? (some humanoids got a reprieve for this)
3) Have a heard of it before getting the mini?
4) Is there something that can easily sub for it in rpg terms?


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12/16/2007 3:53 PM  
Voted dwarf samurai. I can't possibly see a dwarf being a samurai in an asiatic campaign. I don't even envision dwarves in asiatic campaigns. That just doesn't fit.
But you forgot the ambush drake... I had to buy it to complete DK, and even though I got it very cheap, it was still a PAIN to pay for it...

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12/16/2007 4:08 PM  
I agree, the choice is too subjective, so the ugliest mini in each set IMO is:

Harbinger - Mummy (too weakly for a rare, even for Harbinger)
Dragoneye - Silver Sorcerer (useless in skirmish and almost useless in RPG)
Archfiends - Paladin of Torm (Not a really bad one, but there are a lot of amazing rares in this set)
Giants of Legend - Red Dragon Wyrmling (I don't like a puppet like red dragon)
Aberrations - Gibbering Mouther (A really ugly one)
Deathknell - Champion of Yondalla (A poor sculpt and paint job for a rare)
Angelfire - Phoelarch (same as Silver Sorcerer)
Underdark - Dromite Wilder (same as Silver Sorcerer)
War Drumms - Warbound Impaler (AVP in D&D minis?)
War of the Dragon Queen - Wizened Elder Watcher (A rare real tree?)
Blood War - Lord of Blades (Maybe it's my Eberron hate)
Unhallowed - Large Astral Construct (No sculpt and paint job in this case)
Night Below - Dire Tiger (Maybe a very good mini in skirmish but paint job is awful)
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12/16/2007 4:53 PM  
The Phoelarch is the only one on that list I'd greatly like to get rid of.


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12/16/2007 5:11 PM  
I had to go with the Phoelarch. I don't skirmish or play D&D much. My figures are pretty much for RP and collection only. That be said, the bird guy is one of the ugliest Rares I've seen.

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12/16/2007 6:28 PM  
lol.. some of my first packs ever contained Lillend and Sand Giant. Very poor rares.

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12/16/2007 6:39 PM  
Like Others I think there are another ugly miniatures (sculpt and Stat) in the Sets. Wizard of Turmish, Ambush Drake, Phoelarch and the Dromite Wilder are the first 4 I have in mind.

But in these List, the only one I find is the Phoelarch.

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12/16/2007 6:53 PM  
Funny. When I first voted for the Phoelarch, I was curious to see how the rest of the voting would go. Didn't know it'd be such a landslide.

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12/16/2007 9:36 PM  
I am surprised to see that the Human Cleric of Bane and the Champion of Yondalla did not make this list. From your list though, I'll pick the Phoelarch.


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12/16/2007 11:42 PM  
I strongly disagree with you.Humanoids are my favourite pieces and I love PCs characters like fighters,rogues,mages,etc,etc....I really appreciate humans,elves,halflings because these are the main characters in my RPG campaings.Without them,there is not adventure for us.I,m mainly a skirmish player and I have to say you that the red samurai has been one of the most powerful pieces in the game.I like monsters a lot but I like characters too.Warweaver has been played a lot.The same with the warchanter.They have been ran even in tier 1 enviroment so....Never useless!!From your list, Poelarch is without any doubt the worse

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12/17/2007 8:20 AM  
Posted By scallamander on 12/16/2007 12:29 AM

But whats getting in your way!  Why the following fairly crappy rares.  Please vote and we can figure out who is worst of the worst.Â

But what does "worst" mean?
Skirmish worst?
RPG worst?
Appearance worst?

Any mini that is useless to me at both the skirmish and RPG tables is crap. Phoelarch fits the bill perfectly. Although others like the Silver Sorceror, Dragon Samurai, Dwarf Samurai are close seconds.

The Large White Dragon shouldn't be on there at all because it's got some serious RPG potential.


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What happened to the Wizened Elder Watcher? That was pretty lame for a rare!

But, I think, the stirge was the worst rare of all time.*

Even the wizened elder watcher can be used to represent trees and shrubbery.


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12/17/2007 8:38 AM  
Harbinger - Shambling Mound - just laughable sculpt
Dragoneye - Silver Sorcerer - the beginning of the anime DDM figs?
Archfiends - Aspect of Demogorgon - don't like Aspects to begin with, and when are you going to use this?
Giants of Legend - Minotaur Skeleton - way too cartoonish - the hooves look like boots
Aberrations - Achaierai - stupid monster, incredibly bad choice to make as a mini
Deathknell - Dwarf Samurai - the one mini I 100% didn't want to pull and did
Angelfire - Steel Predator - if I was running D&D/Farenheit 451 and needed a Hound, ok...otherwise no
Underdark - Dwarf Ancestor - I love dwarves, but enough is enough (Hey, let's make it a BIG dwarf and call it something different!)
War Drums - Warforged Barbarian - let's see...Barbarian - savage and wild...Warforged - technological...yup they mix!
War of the Dragon Queen - Goliath Cleric of Kavaki - did they try to make the most ridiculous weapon/figure size ratio they could?
Blood War - dwarf sniper - yup, that is a scope on his crossbow...sigh
Unhallowed - Pentifex Monolith - we don't need anime figs
Night Below - Shadowbane Inquisitor - did we really need this humanoid fig of an obscure PrC?
Desert of Desolation - Angel of Vengeance - this is DDM, not Dreamblade...

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12/17/2007 8:46 AM  
heheh, I just look at the dwarf samurai as a dwarf with a sword (no shield)... which is surprisingly hard to find as a DDM miniature...


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12/17/2007 10:31 AM  
Ambush Drake (Dire Chicken)

I voted Phoelarch, but Ambush Drake is the one I hate the most.

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12/17/2007 1:19 PM  
Posted By Teflon Jeff on 12/17/2007 10:31 AM
Ambush Drake (Dire Chicken)

I voted Phoelarch, but Ambush Drake is the one I hate the most.


But he's so cute...


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12/17/2007 4:50 PM  
phoelarch (oh and whats withthe HA Minotaur diss? it was my first rare ever)

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12/17/2007 5:30 PM  
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12/18/2007 1:12 AM  
Oh come on, Rikka's actually pretty nice. Maybe not great for RPG, but very usable in skirmish, especially in epic games.

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12/18/2007 3:02 AM  
I like Slayer of Domriel and Lillend. During harbinger, I would have been happy about minotaur. I haven't seen Large White Dragon live and don't know what's the problem with it... and I believe Bar-Lgura has interesting game-effects?

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12/18/2007 4:23 AM  
The Harbinger minotaur, imo, is ruined by the face and snout. I've always liked the pose.

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12/18/2007 6:27 AM  
The harb minotaur is just fine in my books, much better than the whooly minotaur from GoL.


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