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doubtofbuddha
Commander
3371 Posts
    
 | | 12/27/2007 8:08 AM |
| Its about design philosophy. The things they are changing mechanically (such as encounter-based powers) are things that I have actually have thought were things that should be changed about D&D. The things they are changing flavorwise are either things that I like or things that I can easily ignore. I don't have the sort of deep emotional attachment that some people seem to have to certain aspects of the game, despite the fact that I have been playing it for 15 years. For example, I absolutely adore Planescape, but I still think the changes they are suggesting for 4e to the planes sound neat, and I appreciate their desire to make the planes more adventure-ready. I think the claims that they are taking design perspectives from MMORPGs is overstated, just like people were complaining that 3e was just going to be a Diablo rip-off back in the day, and even if they are implementing some of the better ideas from MMORPGs than to just disregard them out of hand because they have "MMORPG cooties."
So essentially, I mostly like where they are going with it. They have names I trust on the design team. What they have shared about their design philosophy and how they are going about the new edition fills me with hope rather than fear. However, I seem to be different then many D&D players (at least on maxminis) in that I don't have any great degree of emotional attachment to most artifacts of the game. It is still Dungeons and Dragons to me. | |
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jacksonm
Warlord
5560 Posts
River City
| | 12/27/2007 8:13 AM |
| I'll be doing 4th Edition when it comes out. I'm not in the sky is falling camp many others appear to be in.
I've been playing D&D for a long time. There's always been things I like and things I don't, I've gotten pretty good at leaving those I dislike out of each edition they've come up with. 4th edition will be no different and from what I've seen many of the improvements I'll enjoy. | | | |
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Temperance
Sergeant
502 Posts
| | 12/27/2007 4:59 PM |
| | 4.0 is a better game. But then, I'm now one of the evil empire and you can't trust me anymore. :P | |
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forkedmoon
Underboss
1305 Posts
| | 12/27/2007 6:21 PM |
| | Neither; looks like after XP I'll be dropping from current gaming scene. I'll still play the occasional one-shot but as before I don't feel the need to own the books to jump in once in awhile. I only bought a 3.5 PHB earlier this year (softcover). | |
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kyrin
Commander
3152 Posts
| | 12/27/2007 6:29 PM |
| Posted By Temperance on 12/27/2007 4:59 PM
4.0 is a better game. But then, I'm now one of the evil empire and you can't trust me anymore. :P Well, try not to take it personally. I mean, if you were one of my buds whipping out a homebrew for Friday Night Games Night, I'd give it a shot no problem. But you *are* asking me to drop another couple hundy on a new game after spending a thousand-plus on the old, stupid, and archaic game that is so terribly flawed. I hope you'll understand a little healthy skepticism on my part. Or, as the Great Communicator once said, "Trust, but verify."
I look forward to you knocking my socks off, dude.
JIM
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Crisisman
Warrior
336 Posts
Kent, WA
| | 12/27/2007 11:47 PM |
| | Well said kyrin! I invested thousands in 3.5(and related minis) so that I could have a collection and enough source material to play for many years to come(think decades). I'm not going to drop it all when I'm enjoying my investment very much, thank you. | |
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Ghendar
Warlord
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| | 12/28/2007 4:20 AM |
| Posted By Temperance on 12/27/2007 4:59 PM
4.0 is a better game. But then, I'm now one of the evil empire and you can't trust me anymore. :P
So you've seen the final game eh?
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yack
Commander
3162 Posts
Ottawa, Canada
| | 12/28/2007 4:47 AM |
| | I'm a believer that a faster game does not mean a better game. I'm not a big video game fan so I don't want my game to go that way in play. (by play I mean speed...it's mostly about the RPG) | |
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 12/28/2007 5:48 AM |
| Posted By Temperance on 12/27/2007 4:59 PM
4.0 is a better game. But then, I'm now one of the evil empire and you can't trust me anymore. :P Please, please tell me you'll continue to post over here once in a while.
Your voice is one I look forward to hearing even if you have joined the empire.
Dave
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Vrecknidj
Warlord
10283 Posts
United States
| | 12/28/2007 5:51 AM |
| Posted By yack on 12/28/2007 4:47 AM
I'm a believer that a faster game does not mean a better game. I'm not a big video game fan so I don't want my game to go that way in play. (by play I mean speed...it's mostly about the RPG) Amen to both of these.
My campaign has had three specific sub-campaign variations. The whole campaign is now over 20-years old and I have no intention of altering the pace just because the game changes.
Then again, my campaign has already survived all the alterations from 1e, so I think I can make it work...
Regarding the video game thing: I do like video games (well, the ones I can play at the PC, for whatever reason, I do not prefer console gaming), but I prefer to keep my gaming experiences and gaming types separate.
Dave
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Sirohk
Commander
3803 Posts
USA
| | 12/28/2007 6:07 AM |
| The changes to D&D 4.0 and DDM 2.0 both sound very interesting and like good things for the game. And if I was still playing D&D I would definately give it a try.Â
My problem is I had to choose between DDM and D&D for both cost and time reasons. As my many years D&D group had kind of taken a break (two of the main players were away doing security guard duty in New Orleans after the hurricane), I decided to get more into DDM and chose to stay there (I do not even think that the group has reformed).Â
So I will definately give DDM 2.0 a whirl, and likely pick up the D&D 4.0 base / core books for reference and reading.Â
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berus316
Sergeant
631 Posts
Markham, Ontario Canada
| | 12/28/2007 6:46 AM |
| I was originally a huge banner waver for 4E. I have been losing steam with each preview we've seen.
I still intend to pick up the PH and see from there. My current campaign has almost gotten used to 3.5 rules so the idea of switching is kinda scary. Though, getting rid of a bunch of spells would make the game a lot easier for my spellcasters (too much choice, if you can believe it).
I'm now cautiously optimistic rather than rabid.
Like others I would really like the game to be awesome. | |
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mazra
Sergeant
352 Posts
Canton, GA
| | 12/28/2007 1:01 PM |
| Posted By Turboman on 12/26/2007 9:57 PM Posted By mazra on 12/26/2007 2:48 PM
Well there is an issue! 4.0 has this new feature that 3.5 and all earlier versions did not have. ONLINE PLAY!!!
If that is all that you want just play WoW, it's basically going to be the same game.
Hi Turboman,
An online D&D system is far and away different from an MMORPG. This will be my world I plan to create using the online tools provided. Are you at all familiar with Code Monkey? Code Monkey provided all the rules and aids to create computer generated D&D chararcters, monsters, treasures, etc. WOTC has ended their license with Code Monkey and brought all the technical knowledge and intellectual properties to themselves with this new online system.
If WOTC does this right, a DM will be able to play out the standard RPG table game via an online interface. This is not WOW or Everquest or anything like that. Now could WOTC screw it up royally? You betcha!  So I am waiting to see what they do. If it is done right, it could revolutionize the D&D gaming system.
Thanks,
Mazra
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Krush
Commander
3135 Posts
| | 12/28/2007 10:18 PM |
| Posted By Ghendar on 12/27/2007 7:20 AM
For those of you already sold on 4E, what brought you to that conclusion. We really haven't seen any of the nuts and bolts of the system yet. Seems to me, those pro-4E folks are going by WotC's assurances that they are improving the game? Or is it something else?
Well after looking at the Spined Devil promo w/ the preview card. I for one am not entirely sold on 2.0, maybe I am jumping the gun here but...I wish the Wizzos would give us more to see.
K 2.0
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nyjastul69
Commander
2710 Posts
Rhode Island
| | 12/31/2007 6:48 AM |
| | I'll be sticking with 3.x. I haven't 'finished' playing it yet. there are still too many unexplored areas of the rules. I don't skirmish, so those rules are irrelevant. | |
You know, I keep thinking that after the new design team gets done with D&D 4e, D&D won't stand for Dungeons and Dragons anymore, because well, that's just not fun. It's old and stuffy. - Originally Posted by BabWryter on Kenzerco.com | |
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Dimitris
Warrior
188 Posts
Athens - Greece
| | 01/03/2008 12:06 AM |
| I don't like the idea of changing systems. I will stay with 3.5. I think that the RPG game is about exploring new worlds, plots and ideas and only if absolutely necessary to change the core rules. The 3.5 is a very rich and sufficient system for the D&D style worlds. Even if there are a few better rules in the 4.0 I don't believe there is a need to change system instead of making a few custom modifications on the 3.5 system.
Dimitris
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Zoons
Underboss
1061 Posts
| | 01/03/2008 9:19 AM |
| My current group only has three players capable of remembering the current rules from week to week. That said, two of us are in "wait and see" mode, and one is now getting amped for the change with things he's heard. I, for one am in favor of the "wait and see" approach. If the changes seem good once they are implemented, it's silly to me ignore progress on principle. However, if the changes are mostly cosmetic, then I don't feel the need to re-invest. Discressionary money is getting tighter and tighter.  Fortunately there is still much unexplored in the 3.x arena while we wait. I just need to know what the next logical step after Sunless Citadel is for the kids. I think we'll be through that in the next year or so. | |
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